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Has anyone heard of the Hollow moon theory?

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posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 11:11 PM
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Cavernous, instead of hollow? What's wrong w/dat possibility?

And for extra measure, claims of the Earth being hollow should allow for caverns, some of which remain unexplored today...

I suspect the whole solar system was engineered and built by almighty Man umpteen billions of years ago. But this is too hard for people to wrap their minds around. I have only very recently (within last year) grasped this concept, and it's still a bear.

I am going to break my rules here only once to bring this possibility to light. Since we are talking about it. I would like to cite Dr. Bart Jordan's work, and for those of you who think he is just another quack I suggest boning up on him in earnest or be the fools.

SYNODICAL PLANETS SIDEREAL

116 Mercury 88

584 Venus 225

780 Mars 687

399 Jupiter 4333

378 Saturn 10759

370 Uranus 30685

367 Neptune 60190

367 Pluto 90774

TOTAL TOTAL

3361 197741

3361+197741

equals

201102*

Palindromic Solar System

Cut and pasted from www.flybynews.com...

apoligies to same, thank you.

*I consider this a sacred number-M




posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 12:21 AM
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Well there is no doubt that on Nov 20, 1969, NASA concluded that the Moon rang like a bell for more than an hour. Although I didn't find any info at NASA about this, it's all over the internet so it is a reality.

Now my question is, besides that, what other evidence do we have that the Moon may be hollow?

There is apossible alien moonbase.

There is also the mysterious far side of the moon that we never see.

There is also ancient evidence a possible time when there was no moon!
Aristotle told of a people who lived in Arcadia, a mountainous region in Central Greece, long before the coming of the Greeks. The Greek term Proscelene means before the moon. In Tibetan texts there are stories of a people on a lost continent called Gondwana, said to be civilized before the moon shone in the night sky. Bolivian symbols have been interpreted by Dr. P. Allen as records that a satellite came into orbit around the Earth about 11,500 to 13,000 years ago.

Was there in fact no moon in ancient history? If true, could the creation of a moon of caused the great flood recorded in ancient history?

Could the moon be hollow? Could it be some sort of space station covered over by a natural looking surface?

Was NASA hinting to the public of these possibilites on Nov 20, 1969 or was it all an accident?

... is alternative 3 in fact a reality?



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 01:45 AM
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please thats ridiculous all of things you are insinuating... ok look its simple physics that if any of you all had MAYBE GONE TO COLLEGE you could simply figure this out. OK now gravity= g(m1)(m2)/r squared which means that the g which is the gravitational constant multiplied by mass one and then multiplied by mass two equals a sum which is then divided by radius squared of m1. Ok so we know that the gravity on the moon is 1/6th of the earth's gravity so all you would do is put 1.6m/s(squared on the seconds) on the left side of the equation and then you would plug in all the knows such as m2 (in this case as in most times to figure out m1, m2 would be 1 kilogram to make the equation easier to do) and then divide by the radius squared which is common knowledge, and you would find that the moon has the mass it shuold have for a satellite that size. Now of course the "aliens" or other totally made up idea, could somehow carve out the inside of the planet yet still keep all of that mass to induce gravity kind of blows my sense of science away. It is ridiculous to keep on with this alien crap i hate it!! ok now there is a high probablility of life in the universe... but wait :0 !!!! the probablility that the intelligent life will survive and actually reach where we are the odds become nearly impossible!!! look at it this way... how would an intelligent alien civilization find us?? our radio waves havent even gone to other star systems yet.. not to mention if they did find us they wouldnt be making piss deals with our governments- why would they need our governments anyways>?? they have the technology to find and get to us.. why the hell would they need or want to talk to ANY humans??



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 02:32 AM
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I guess that's what you get with a second rate 'American' education.

It's a damn shame....

I pretty well came to the sam conclusion you did earlier the physics just do not work for it to be hollow or not completely solid. To be honest I think the theory has such a low chance of being true I would putr it in my impossible category of theories.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 05:41 AM
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All the talk of the mass of the moon disproving the hollow theory assumes that the density of the moon is fairly consistent throughout its volume. It's possible that there could be layers of higher density material surrounding a hollow space inside the moon which would give it the same mass as we observe.

I'm not saying this is the case, just saying it's possible from a physics point of view. If anyone has any data on this maybe they could bring it forward?

edited for clarity.

[edit on 17-6-2006 by Chris McGee]



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 06:27 AM
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Here check out this link to Richard Syrette show. Go to the link named Artificial Moon. Christopher Knight and Alan Butler of civilizationone.com come out with some intresting ideas.

www.richardsyrett.com...



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 06:55 AM
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I would like to know what H. G. Wells would think of all the theories that may have appeared because of his books.

Books like The First Men in the Moon and The War of the Worlds may be responsible for a large percentage of what we think are "modern" theories, when after all they are just a continuation or an adaptation of what he wrote many years ago

PS: The First Men in the Moon was wrote in 1901 and The War of the Worlds in 1898.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by txdan06
please thats ridiculous all of things you are insinuating... ok look its simple physics that if any of you all had MAYBE GONE TO COLLEGE you could simply figure this out. OK now gravity= g(m1)(m2)/r squared which means that the g which is the gravitational constant multiplied by mass one and then multiplied by mass two equals a sum which is then divided by radius squared of m1.


Calm down there, Galileo. It was the 'experts' at NASA, and MIT, that insinuated something was unusual about the moon, not us. We are just picking up on things they have said.


Originally posted by txdan06
Ok so we know that the gravity on the moon is 1/6th of the earth's gravity so all you would do is put 1.6m/s(squared on the seconds) on the left side of the equation and then you would plug in all the knows such as m2 (in this case as in most times to figure out m1, m2 would be 1 kilogram to make the equation easier to do) and then divide by the radius squared which is common knowledge, and you would find that the moon has the mass it shuold have for a satellite that size.


You may very well be right, but that does nothing to explain the 'gonging'.


Originally posted by txdan06
Now of course the "aliens" or other totally made up idea, could somehow carve out the inside of the planet yet still keep all of that mass to induce gravity kind of blows my sense of science away. It is ridiculous to keep on with this alien crap i hate it!!


I didn't say anything about Aliens. You like to make out that you know a great deal about the Moon, but do you even know what it is, and how it got there?


Originally posted by txdan06
ok now there is a high probablility of life in the universe... but wait :0 !!!! the probablility that the intelligent life will survive and actually reach where we are the odds become nearly impossible!!! look at it this way... how would an intelligent alien civilization find us?? our radio waves havent even gone to other star systems yet.. not to mention if they did find us they wouldnt be making piss deals with our governments- why would they need our governments anyways>?? they have the technology to find and get to us.. why the hell would they need or want to talk to ANY humans??


Not that I think Aliens have to be involved in any Hollow moon theory, but isn't it arrogant to confine other races, who may or may not be out there, to our rather limited understanding of physical boundaries? Relativity can be gotten around, if you can find a way of reducing the mass of your vehicle to match that of a single packet of light. I'm sure there are many other ways, completely out of my range of comprehension. How the hell do you know how they would travel? Isn't it also arrogant to think they could only track us by the Radio signals emitted from our instruments, and devices?

You are thinking with your mind closed.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 07:40 AM
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Heard of it yes, and the old dating for the rocks. There's a book called Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson I think the authors name happens to be.

Don't think it's been mentioned yet here so I'll do it,

in some of the oldest cosmologies we know of the Moon used to be a planet in it's own right here until Nibiru / Marduk crashed into Tiamat ( now the Earth ), and caused the Moon (known as Shesqui Kingu) to become trapped in orbit here, as well as a whole load of other major catastrophies.

I've heard of accounts from the past that say there wasn't always a Moon there at all, that it was placed there and that's why it macthes the size of the Sun in the sky and why eclipses occur, as it's used as some kind of timepiece - related to that is the idea that the Moon is so placed so as to make biological life possible (as it controls the tides, for example) and the whole alien-experiment thing is about cultivating water-based life on Earth.


What I do know for sure is that Dark Side of the Moon is one great album.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by incunabula
Apperently during the Apollo missions, tests were conducted after it was recorded by NASA that when the lunar landers hit the surface of the moon a 'a Bell like 'gong' was recorded and several times after as well. Does anyone know of this?


How is it possible to record any sound on the moon, since it has no atmosphere?



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by masterp

Originally posted by incunabula
Apperently during the Apollo missions, tests were conducted after it was recorded by NASA that when the lunar landers hit the surface of the moon a 'a Bell like 'gong' was recorded and several times after as well. Does anyone know of this?


How is it possible to record any sound on the moon, since it has no atmosphere?


Here.


Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by AGENT_T
Wondering how the moon could have generated the ''gong'sound as sound does not travel in a vacuum..

Is someone suggesting that the sound reverberated through the legs of the landing module??


sim•i•le (s m -l )
n.
A figure of speech in which two essentially unlike things are compared, often in a phrase introduced by like or as, as in “How like the winter hath my absence been” or “So are you to my thoughts as food to life” (Shakespeare).


The scientists were describing the siesmic motions, not a "sound."



That's why the Siesmologist spoke at the News conference.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by incunabula
Apperently during the Apollo missions, tests were conducted after it was recorded by NASA that when the lunar landers hit the surface of the moon a 'a Bell like 'gong' was recorded and several times after as well. Does anyone know of this?


Originally posted by masterp
How is it possible to record any sound on the moon, since it has no atmosphere?

Actually the Moon does have a scant atmosphere that could allow for sound waves, as opposed to the vacuum of space where sound waves cannot travel.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 10:52 AM
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This topic is quite interesting but it's a shame that tis been hijacked by people insinuating aliens. I wish someone could find an official NASA source on this as the statement has transformed in the course of this thread from "the moon rang like a bell" to something along the lines of "the moon sounds like titanium"!!


From the moons gravitational pull I dont think you can conclude that the moon is hollow and not solid. You can work out its mass as a fraction of the earths and then ASSUMING that its matter is as dense as the earths you can work out that its solid but of course there could be some more dense matter making up some of its whole. Of course I dont believe this, I think the moon is a big solid rock!

I find the idea of an alien base on the far side of the moon to be farcical. It has been seen loads of times by astronauts and photographed by satallites. Here is a pic from wikipedia.


Originally posted by incunabula
Other anomalies of "our" moon is the puzzle of the moons age for example the first rock Neil Armstrong picked up after landing on the Sea of Tranquility was older! than the oldest rocks on earth. over 99percent of roks brought back after analyses turned out to be older than 90 percent of the oldest rock that can be found on earth.that rock turned out to be 3.6 billion years old other rocks even older at 4.3,4.5,4.6 and even one alleged to be 5.3 billion years old, the ones on earth are about 3.7 billion y.o and the rocks that were brought back was thought by scientists to be from one of the youngest areas back then of our moon!

Another one is the dark areas of the moon known as maria(dried up seas) some of these maria form the familiar "man on the moon" but astronauts found it extremely difficult to drill into the surface of these black plains, soil samples were loaded with rare metals and elements like titanium,zirconium,yttrium,and even berrylium. also rustproof iron found on the moon,pure iron particles that dont rust were unheard of before (although there is a solid iron pillar of unknown age in New Dehli,India, that has also never rusted and noone knows why). Inmense clouds of water vapour,the moons lack of dust,structures on the moon including (pyramids found on the actual Sea of Tranquility (now obviously suppressed) and of course the list goes on.

Incunabula, your statement about rocks on the moon being older than those on earth is very easily explained by the fact that earth is techtonically active and the continental plates are being constantly refreshed however they are not on the moon.

And please!!! What exactly is rust-proof iron?? Do you know what rust is? It's Iron Oxide, formed by a simple reaction with the metal. There is no such thing as Iron that, under some conditions, can't be oxidised, and its ridiculous to sugest such a thing. I doubt there is much water and oxygen on the moon and thats why it hasn't rusted.


Originally posted by Matyas
3361+197741

equals

201102*

Palindromic Solar System
*I consider this a sacred number-M


Matyas, your information of adding up some numbers and getting a coincidentally pallindromic number shows absolutely nothing! Have you tried adding them up when they are not in base 10, are they still palindromic then? Why is it that you have chosen to use base 10, dont forget those Greys with only 8 digits!
There is also no reason to regard it as a sacred number as its totally unique, if there were a variety of different things which all summed to 201102 then it would be special but I bet these are the only things which do! Anyone can pick a list of figures and find they miraculously add up to a palindromic number.


Originally posted by ed 209
I've heard of accounts from the past that say there wasn't always a Moon there at all, that it was placed there and that's why it macthes the size of the Sun in the sky and why eclipses occur, as it's used as some kind of timepiece - related to that is the idea that the Moon is so placed so as to make biological life possible (as it controls the tides, for example) and the whole alien-experiment thing is about cultivating water-based life on Earth.


ed 209, you discuss the similarity in size of the moon and sun when viewed from earth, yet this is just a very common misconception. In fact because the moons orbit around the earth is ot circular it actually changes size and during some eclipses it appears larger than the sun and during annular eclipses is actually smaller creating a ring of fire effect.

I really hope this will clear up some of the arguments about aliens and we could get back to the topic and discuss why the moon could "ring like a bell".



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 10:57 AM
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I just wanted to throw my coin into this...

Why would most here think of an air filled ball when they hear a word "hollow"? Maybe it's a completely misleading interpretation. Couldn't there exist a city similar to the one of Zion ("Matrix")? That of course does not explain strange seismic signals. Anyway, it's stupid to rule out moon base possibility just because the moon cannot be 100% hollow, according to the physic laws as human beings understand them.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 11:01 AM
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I think we'd have to actually get there first before we determine if it's hollow.

I'm just sayin', here...



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by The Conspiracy Follower
Couldn't there exist a city similar to the one of Zion ("Matrix")? ...it's stupid to rule out moon base possibility just because the moon cannot be 100% hollow, according to the physic laws as human beings understand them.

Excellent point.


It is much more important to concentrate on the alien base issue.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
It is much more important to concentrate on the alien base issue.


I think that it's more important to concentrate on an issue with even a tiny, remote, scant and minute piece of evidence to support it. Unfortunately for all its believers the alien moon base theory doesn't have this.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by The_Doctor
I guess that's what you get with a second rate 'American' education.

It's a damn shame....

I pretty well came to the sam conclusion you did earlier the physics just do not work for it to be hollow or not completely solid. To be honest I think the theory has such a low chance of being true I would putr it in my impossible category of theories.


thanks for the giggles. when you slam people's education, check your spelling !



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Techsnow
Well there is no doubt that on Nov 20, 1969, NASA concluded that the Moon rang like a bell for more than an hour. Although I didn't find any info at NASA about this, it's all over the internet so it is a reality.




please elaborate on how the fact that if something is on the internet, it's reality.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 12:01 PM
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Now the numbers are in here. Some colorful four letter words come to mind. If I could go back I would not have posted them. Water under the bridge, right?

[edit on 6/17/2006 by Matyas]



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