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Originally posted by donwhite
I think we’ve seen a “new” Obama who will not directly clash with Hillary.
posted by Xpert11
DonWhite asked: The Dems as a whole don't impress me . . they oppose Bush43 when the polls tell them to. I am at a loss as to see what their plans and values are if they have any. None of the Dems candidates have done much for me. Hilary’s stance on her Iraq vote is bizarre to say the least . . she wants her cake and to eat it to. I am withholding judgement on Obama who had enough brains to oppose the war in Iraq. Obama still seems like a kid on Christmas morning flush with the novelty rather then a serious contender. [Edited by Don W]
posted by Justin Oldham
posted by donwhite
I think we’ve seen a “new” Obama who will not directly clash with Hillary.
I can't put my finger on it, but there has been a disturbance in the dark side of the Force, as if dozens of people shook hands and made a deal. Was it an understanding, or a concession? I don't know but I plan on having my minions look into this. [Edited by Don W]
Originally posted by donwhite
X11, a couple weeks have past since you posted the above [edited] in reply to my question. Do you concur with me and J/O [him with reservations] when I say someone has clipped Barack’s wings? He picked up Hillary 2 times in NH and seems more restrained, like the senior Congressional Black Caucus has conferred with him, father to son style. “Don’t blow this! Wait your turn in line.”
posted by xpert11
posted by donwhite
X11 . . someone has clipped Barack’s wings . . like the Congressional Black Caucus has conferred with him, father to son. “Don’t blow this! Wait your turn in line.”
(1) Hmm . . an interesting question. I wouldn't sign on the dotted line that a deal has been brokered between Hillary and Barack’s camp. A back room deal is a distinct possibility . . Hillary and her team may have reached the conclusion that by taking Barack as the VP pick they could best define the relationship with their chosen VP . .
(2) I am thinking Barack would be much like Nixon as a VP. Nixon had nothing more then a professional relationship with Ike and little influence in the Ike admin . . Nixon’s time as VP served as a spring board to his eventual election as president. Barack may be happy to occupy the VP seat and bide his time for a future bid at the presidency. [Edited by Don W]
Originally posted by ragster
Do you guys believe that Hilary Clinton will be the next Prsident,
posted by Justin Oldham
Actually, that video was very smart stuff. the Clitnons are playing up to their contraversies. It's all very Machievellian. Just the kind of thing I might have advised them to do. There are four ways to win hearts and minds. Bribe 'em, starve 'em, kill 'em or make them want what you have.
Hillary has some of the best people in da biz on her team. She knows this instinctively, but her handlers know it for the tactic that it is. There are many times when its better to play up to your contraversies than to waste time explaining or denying. I've done it a time or two myself, so I know it works. It's not deception. It's influence.
Originally posted by Justin Oldham
I don't mean any disrespect to Mr. Obama, but that's an amateur's wound and it doesn't help him. If anything, it underscores his lack of experience for just one reason. His chief of staff is not ruling with an iron hand, and this more or less proves that. If this happened in the Clinton camp, we might never find the remains of the person responsible for it.
I joke, but I also make a point. Hillary and her inner circle are no different than any of their GOP counterparts. She's playing to win. Obama isn't the first guy to be done in by one of his own, and he won't be the last. Giuliani’s own staff lost his play book, so it shows that we're all human. Even so, the best that Obama can hope for is the Vice Presidency in 2009.
I hope she proves me wrong. I'll be more than happy to take back everybody things I've ever said about what her brand of politics is capable of if she proves me wrong. I don't think she will, but it's out there and I've said it.
When the Democrats take the White House in '08, they'll also be picking up improved majorities in the House and in the Senate. Because their political agenda does include an undenied growth in government, I have to be skeptical of their ability to avoid the temptations of total power.
posted by Julian Oldham
I've said from the beginning of this thread that Barack Obama was Mrs. Clinton's most likely running mate. As a dark master of American politics, I don't look at things through a partisan lense. As arm chair psychologist and political profiler, I look at what a person is capable of and what they actually do. I may not agree with her politics, but I will acknowledge Hilary's skill in the arena.
I still say that American is ready for a black VP. I don't say that out of any true sense of idealism, I say that as a practical sociological matter. In spite of our man ups and downs, we are more than we have been. We are ready. Having said that, I still question the politics of the Democrat party, and I'm glad to see that Don shares my hope that they won't continue putting a torch to the Constitution as Mr. Bush has.
I feel vindicated AND validated. I shall now go and barbecue some beef and drink some beer as just reward.