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Originally posted by MrPenny
I guess johnlear can sign off now. StellarX obviously have this topic well covered. I think.
StellarX, I won't dispute the possibility of standing water, methane emissions, higher than realized atmospheric pressure, etc, etc,.....
but you cannot show me a single item of evidence that supports the theory that intelligent beings are now living, or have ever lived on Mars.
In fact, there is nothing but hypothesis that microbes are existing on Mars.
Another find in the two decades-plus Viking treasure-trove of data was outlined by Joe Miller, associate professor in the Department of Cell and Neurobiology at the Keck School of Medicine of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.
Miller has recently reviewed the Viking LR data in great detail.
"To my surprise, in their LR experiment, they seemed to have clear periodic oscillations in the release of gas from a Martian soil sample injected with a nutrient solution. The oscillations in gas release had a period of what appeared to be one Martian day. Being a circadian biologist, I became very excited," Miller told SPACE.com.
On Earth, Miller said, circadian rhythms -- oscillations with a period of nearly 24 hours -- are present in every species examined down to blue-green algae. Was it possible, he asked, that the LR experiment was recording the circadian rhythm of a Martian soil-dwelling microbe?
NASA worked with Miller, providing him the 1976 LR data sets, as well as converting the information to an electronic format. That allowed the circadian biologist to study the data using modern computer-based analytical tools."I found that the gas release was indeed rhythmic, with a period of precisely 24.66 hours, a Martian day," Miller said. This finding, along with other painstaking assessments about LR operations, the scientist feels that a Martian circadian rhythm in the experiment may constitute a biosignature - a sign of life.
Maybe Mars even has life today. The evidence sent back from Mars by two Viking Landers in 1976 and 1977 was not clearcut (6). In fact, NASA's first press release about the Viking tests announced that the results were positive. The "Labelled Release" (LR) experiments had given positive results. But after lengthy discussions in which Carl Sagan participated, NASA reversed its position, mainly because another experiment detected no organics in the soil. Yet Gilbert V. Levin, the principal designer of the LR experiment, still believes the tests pointed to life on Mars (7). When the same two experiments were run on soil from Antarctica, the same conflicting results were obtained (LR - positive; organics - negative.) Soil from Antarctica definitely contains life. The test for organics was negative because it is far less sensitive than the LR experiment. The same problem could have caused the organics test on Mars to give a false negative.
Warmflash said that the failure of the Viking GCMS to find organic molecules has been called to question. "More recent findings suggesting that the Viking GCMS would have missed such molecules if present necessitates a re-evaluation of the Viking LR data as well as a continued search for organic material and life at the Martian surface," he said.
At the SPIE meeting in San Diego, Levin said that after years of tests, and over two dozen non-biological explanations later, "none of the many attempts to establish the oxidant's mimicry of the LR data did so," he said.
Furthermore, Levin reported that direct evidence exists against any highly oxidizing substance in the surface material of Mars - tucked away and apparently overlooked in the Viking data itself.
in 1998, NASA's Associate Administrator Wesley Huntress, Jr., stated, "Wherever liquid water and chemical energy are found, there is life. There is no exception."
Could there, then, be life on Mars? In the mid-1970s, the Viking Lander mission's Gas Exchange Experiment detected strong chemical activity in the martian soil. Liquid water seems to be the one element needed for the equation of life on Mars. The presence of water there, however, is still hotly contested.
Data from the Mars Pathfinder support this theory, as the Pathfinder temperature readings noted that temperatures one meter above the surface were often dozens of degrees colder than the temperatures closer to the ground.
This layer of cold air, say the Levins, provides a form of insulation, trapping the water moisture below. Since the atmosphere is too cold to hold the water as vapor and the ground is warm enough to melt the ice, the water melts into a liquid. This liquid water, the Levins believe, remains on the surface until the temperature of the atmosphere rises enough to allow the water to evaporate. In this way, they argue, the martian soil becomes briefly saturated with liquid water every day.
"The meteorological data fully confirm the presence of liquid water in the topsoil each morning," says Gilbert Levin. "The black-and-white as well as the color images show slick areas that may well be moist patches."
“The fact that there have been warm and wet places beneath the surface of Mars since before life began on Earth, and that some are probably still there, means that there is a possibility that primitive micro-organisms survive on Mars today," study co-leader John Murray at the Open University in the UK said in today's statement. "This mission has changed many of my long-held opinions about Mars – we now have to go there and check it out."
Other researchers have speculated that if life ever formed on Mars, it could have gone underground and survived to the present day. (Lack of surface water now, plus the harsh radiation at Mars, suggest it's very unlikely there is any modern-day surface life.)
Many other scientists have said firm proof of life on Mars, if it exists, would require a new mission. The rovers on Mars and spacecraft orbiting there are not equipped to find life directly.
WASHINGTON -- Researchers using NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft announced Thursday that they found puzzling signs of water seeping into what appear to be young, freshly-cut gullies and gaps in the Martian surface.
The startling discovery of recently-formed, weeping layers of rock and sediment has planetary experts scratching their heads.
The wet spots show up in more than 120 locations on Mars and in the coldest places on the planet, said Michael Malin of Malin Space Science Systems in San Diego, California, which built the spacecraft's camera.
And that presents a "perplexing problem," he said, because logic says that Mars sub-zero temperatures and thin atmosphere should have kept those wet spots from ever forming.
The wet spots, which turn up in 200 to 250 different images from the Global Surveyor spacecraft, "could be a few million years old but we cannot rule out that some of them are so recent as to have formed yesterday," Malin said.
Recent analyses of ESA's Mars Express data reveal that concentrations of water vapor and methane in the atmosphere of Mars significantly overlap. This result, from data obtained by the Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS), gives a boost to understanding of geological and atmospheric processes on Mars, and provides important new hints to evaluate the hypothesis of present life on the Red Planet.
Here, the concentration is two to three times higher than in other regions observed. These areas of water vapor concentration also correspond to the areas where NASA's Odyssey spacecraft has observed a water ice layer a few tens of centimeters below the surface, as Dr Vittorio Formisano, PFS principal investigator, reports.
New in-depth analysis of PFS data also confirms that methane is not uniform in the atmosphere, but concentrated in some areas. The PFS team observed that the areas of highest concentration of methane overlap with the areas where water vapor and underground water ice are also concentrated. This spatial correlation between water vapor and methane seems to point to a common underground source.
Originally posted by lost_shaman I'm intending to ask you about the dis-information campaign that has obviously in my mind been perpetuated by the U.S. and U.S.A.F. N.A.S.A. and others.
Originally posted by W_Smith
Thanks for the post W_Smith.
1. Am I to understand that the "soul harvesting aliens" are different than the greys or the ones described in the Dulce compound?
The following is an opinion. I do not represent anything as 'iron' clad' fact:
I think the greys are cybernetic organisms (glorified robots) who manage or 'take care of' mankind on behalf of another species of aliens, much higher up. The greys manage the day to day monitering of mankind, they do the abductions usually once when the human reaches 3 years of age, once at 7 years of age and once about 11 to 13 years of age. What they look for or tweak I do not know. Our government is well aware of this and in their incredible, unbounded ignorance, thought that someday we (the U.S.) were going to defeat the greys which is much like a bunch of ants in one of those rectangular glass ant farms getting together and saying, "OK, heres my plan for breaking out of here." As a matter of fact thats exactly what its like. In the middle 80's the secret government came to the shocking conclusion that there wasn't one single thing they were going to able to do about the greys. They realized the absolute control the aliens had over us. In the words of one shocked military official "Its futile".
So they decided to put a 'spin' on the 'grey' problem. There was way too information out there to deny it so they decided to 'spin' it their way in a 20 to 30 year program. And this is the way I think they are heading: they took some real information and 'spin' information (the classic mix) and created "Project Serpo". Project Serpo would be about a species of male/female aliens (bogus, they are glorified robots) who came from the 4th planet from Zeta Reticuli 2 (true) who live there with there families (bogus, no families) tell time with a sundial (bogus) and play soccer (bogus). And that we sent a team of 12 (Bogus, it was 3) to check out Planet Serpo and found out it was to hot to enjoy(I don't know what the temperature is there). The day on Reticulum 4 (the true name for Planet Serpo) is 90 earth hours long, but I haven't seen this particular fact come up on the Project Serpo disinfo yet. The reason for Project Serpo is to 'spin' the glorified robots in control to just an 'mom and pop' alien species checking us out. No big deal. Project Serpo has taken 20 years to put together so although we at ATS know whats going on we don't have control of the world media, so there will be some interesting twists and turns in this story for a long time to come.
If the soul harvesters are trying (?) to lead us to enlightenment, wouldn't they eliminate the harmful aliens?
I don't know the answer to this question.
Or maybe the soul harvesters view the alleged situation/deal between the government and the harmful aliens as part of the process?
Nice speculation. I'd go along with that.
Also, when you say that they want to "put us in the right direction", I conclude that you mean towards enlightenment?
I don't like the word enlightenment (although its probably accurate). It sounds too much like crystals, beads and incense to me.
2. Do you have any opinions/ insights to aliens that live in the ocean? Just wondering, as I seem to have dreams that pertain to this.
There are huge alien bases in the ocean. The U.S. Navy knows of many.
3. Are we the only planet that is being harvested for souls?
I am afraid that I have unintentially created a monster with my word 'harvest' when 'enlightenment' would be more accurate but is a word that sounds phoney to me. So choose the word that works best for you.
No, we are not the only planet being harvested/enlightened. We are one of billions all either just like earth or similar. All are in different stages of development, some way ahead of us, some way behind.
Do you believe Earth was designed for this purpose?
Yes, designed, built, 'moon' towed into orbit, just like all the other billions of earths.
4.There is a lot of talk about "silencing" people who get to close to the truth - Do you ever feel threatened or have you ever had a close call with this type of thing?
I don't know. I don't know whether or not I have been threatened. Certainly not overtly. But threats can be very subtle. You also have to have a reasonable level of intelligence to recognize a threat. I may not qualify.
Originally posted by David_Reale
1. If the aliens are doing this harvesting of our souls for good, I assume you mean that the aliens are indeed, well, good rather than evil. But if Dulce do exist, then I assume the Dulce wars did indeed occur. And if that is the case, then the rumors of Dulce's level 6 ("The Nightmare Hall"...that name still gives me the creeps), must be true as well. So, are these the same aliens harvesting our souls, and if that's the case, how can you say they are good?
2. Now, these "martians" you speak of are obviously not the only aliens there is, since you mentioned that every planet was populated. How about the greys? Are they real, and if they are, is it true that they were made by the Annunaki/Draconians/Lizards, whatever you want to call them? Do the Annunaki truly exist, or is it just a hoax? (And what about the Nordics?)
3. Have you ever met with Whitley Strieber? What did you think of him? I seem to remember in his second book (been a while since I read it, I might be mistaken), he wrote that he began to realize the aliens (greys, I assume) were evil, that they were rather treating us as cattle. If so, what's your opinion on this?
There is a theory that I have often considered at least sensible however unlikely. The theory goes something like , the aliens are abducting Humans and doing what appear to medical tests on them for the purpose of reclaiming or cleansing their (alien's) dna woth our dna.
The variations on that theory include these aliens are truly Human Beings of the future come back in time to save the Human race from dna manipulaitons gone awry and the aliens are another race all together that have spent the dna pool and need an infusion of sorts to keep their own species/genus going.
That certainly sounds a little like harvesting but it's harvesting biological rather than spiritual material.
John Lear: All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.
In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.
At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God. Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.
And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.
Originally posted by longhaircowboy
And do you still buy into the human eating Martians or are they from somewhere else?
Val Valerian is a hoax. It's really John Grace.
Originally posted by mecheng
Do you know why some people are abducted and others aren't? Is there some trait in those people that the aliens are looking for?
Originally posted by johnlear
This information comes to me first hand from personal 'face to face' contacts I have or have had with persons within the secret government. It is information I believe to be true. As I have not been to Mars yet, the information remains an 'opinion'.
The Dulce war did happen
Please tell me more about your human eating Martians I don't think I've heard that one before. I'm curious LHC, where else would 'Martians' be from?