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posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 10:11 PM
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Ok then I hope you don't mind me asking a few more questions.

If I understand you so far, we are on earth to grow spiritually. The aliens help us with that. We go through life cycles (of life and death) over and over here on earth growing evermore until we eventually attain a certain level of spirituality. All the while the aliens are helping us along this process.

Am I understanding you pretty well?
You said the aliens are doing this for our benifit... Are there evil ones as well?
What happens to our souls once we attain that top level of spirituality (besides not having to interact with other idiots here on earth)?




posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 10:22 PM
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Another question. Whats the story with Dulce anyway? I don't remember your thoughts on it. What do you think of Bennewitz?




Dulce exists. Some call it section D. I have at least 4 government insiders who have told me they have been there. If you have ever seen or read Matrix 1 by Val Valerian, those are my drawings I made from the original pencil drawings given to me. It is a fearsome place I am told.

I spent 2 days in early 1987 as the guest of Paul Bennewitz and his wife at his home in Albuquerque overlooking the Manzano Weapons Storage Area. I listened to all of his stories and looked at all of his photos taken of dome shaped saucers either taking off or landing at the MWSA. Although Timothy Good said in his book "Alien Agenda" (1991) that I 'admiitted' to him that Bennewitz was completely unreliable, that is not the truth and I asked Timothy to correct it in his subseuent books which he never did. Nothing Bennewitz told me did I ever find to be untrue. The existence of Dulce proved correct. The crash of the US 'nuclear' craft on Archuletta Mt. appeared to have happened. I met and talked with Col. Ernie Edwards who kept tabs on Paul and he had nothing derogatory to say about him. I met and went on patrol with Gabe Valdez of the New Mexico Highway Patrol around the Dulce area from 10 pm until 6am one night and he had nothing derogatory to say about Bennewitz. I've heard the stories that Richard Doty hoaxed Paul and if he did, what was the hoax? I have been taken to task by Chris Lambright (now deceased) on the internet for supposedly suppressing or changing the Bennewitz story. I did not suppress or change anything. A year or so before his death Paul called me and asked me to come to Albuquerque to see him. It is to my great regret that I did not do so.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 10:28 PM
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johnlear,

Can you elaborate on your take on Richard Doty's involvement or non-involvement with Paul Bennewitz?





[edit on 16-6-2006 by lost_shaman]



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
johnlear,


Can you elaborate on your take on Richard Doty's involvement or non-involvement with Paul Bennewitz?


It is my understanding from statements made by both Bill Moore and Richard doty that they collaborated to mislead or hoax Paul Bennewitz. What the hoax was or was supposed to be I do not know. It may be that they were trying to discredit Paul's story of Dulce.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by mecheng
Ok then I hope you don't mind me asking a few more questions.

If I understand you so far, we are on earth to grow spiritually. The aliens help us with that. We go through life cycles (of life and death) over and over here on earth growing evermore until we eventually attain a certain level of spirituality. All the while the aliens are helping us along this process. Am I understanding you pretty well?


Yes



You said the aliens are doing this for our benifit... Are there evil ones as well?


No, the evil ones just want a snack.


What happens to our souls once we attain that top level of spirituality (besides not having to interact with other idiots here on earth)?


You'll find out what real fun is.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 11:03 PM
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Johnlear, hi, I can't help but wonder what drew you to the conclusion that this is a soul harvest? Was it somthing in the bible? Is it more less your own thoughts/theory on this? I'm confused about that concept, please explain. TY



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 11:06 PM
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johnlear,

O.k. I've researched the UFO phenomena a bit myself , and I can't help but to notice that UFOs have this habit of frequenting Nuclear Storage facilities and other "HOT" areas and equipment over the years not only here in the U.S. but across the globe where "Hot" areas are found.

So in my mind Paul Bennewitz could have easily been seeing substantial UFO traffic.

Is it possible that this issue is a grave National Security Issue and a covert effort of disinformation has been underway for the last 60 years or so to discredit the entire UFO Phenomena ?

The reason for asking is the fact the our Media pays no attention to the issue of UFOs , and unless you've seen one your given the impression the phenomena is a joke. Our government has done nothing ever to clear up the fact that UFOs exist, and have done much to put themselves in a position to deny the UFO reality. That tells me ( Having myself had a close Encounter with a UFO in 2002 ) that our Government actively promotes dis-information regarding the phenomena.

That being said , I have to wonder how you or I can trust any "Insiders" we come across.

Can you address this issue since you've talked about getting "inside" information from people who claim to be giving "Inside" information?

What I'm basically getting at is how can "Insiders" be trusted when we know that the dis-info campaign is in full swing even to this day.





[edit on 16-6-2006 by lost_shaman]



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
johnlear, I have to wonder how you or I can trust any "Insiders" we come across. What I'm basically getting at is how can "Insiders" be trusted when we know that the dis-info campaign is in full swing even to this day.


Thanks for your post. This question has been asked and answered.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by johnlear

Thanks for your post. This question has been asked and answered.


johnlear,

I think your referring to this.




Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

To be honest, John Lear, I do not doubt your sincerity when you state things. Nor do I doubt you have been told these things by people in the government when you were working with them. But my own opinion is that I think some of the things you were told by people were BS, and those who told you the stuff were either having a laugh at your expense, or hoped you would spread the word as an unwitting disinformation agent. Not that you are spreading disinfo deliberately. I just think some people have lied to you. Thats my opinion. Take it for what its worth. I do, however, think you have been given legit info mixed in there with the BS, and thus, I do like reading some of the stuff you post.


johnlear

Thanks for your post Mistress. I always accept the possibility that I have been fed disinformation. That is why I take every opportunity to remind you that what I'm posting is only an opinion and that opinion is based on information from insiders, or rather, those whom I believe are insiders. That doesn't mean they're insiders. That doesn't mean it's true. It means that based on everything I've experienced, read, seen, felt, been told etc. etc.....I believe it to be true. It is an opinion. (sigh).


I may have been unclear and I didn't mean to ask this question again. My use of the term "Insiders" was likely unnecessary. I'm sorry for that.

I'm intending to ask you about the dis-information campaign that has obviously in my mind been perpetuated by the U.S. and U.S.A.F. N.A.S.A. and others.

You've definitely pointed out on this thread many times , your opinion , that WE have been lied to.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 12:38 AM
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Thanks for your opinions and insights. Alot of them ring true to me personally, even though I am really new to the board and haven't even heard of you until today. Some of it, not so much but I digress...

I have a few things to ask and hope I don't make a fool of myself. I am not that educated (I'm workin' on it!), so here goes.

1. Am I to understand that the "soul harvesting aliens" are different than the greys or the ones described in the Dulce compound? If the soul harvesters are trying (?) to lead us to enlightenment, wouldn't they eliminate the harmful aliens? Or maybe the soul harvesters view the alleged situation/deal between the government and the harmful aliens as part of the process? Also, when you say that they want to "put us in the right direction", I conclude that you mean towards enlightenment?

2. Do you have any opinions/ insights to aliens that live in the ocean? Just wondering, as I seem to have dreams that pertain to this.


3. Are we the only planet that is being harvested for souls? Do you believe Earth was designed for this purpose?

4.There is a lot of talk about "silencing" people who get to close to the truth - Do you ever feel threatened or have you ever had a close call with this type of thing?

Again, thank you for your opinions and insights.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by MrPenny
I don't want to take the space to address all 10 points in that post, but, point number 1 can be tossed out immediately. Free energy and anti-grav devices would make the concept of 'economy' pointless.


Ok this is from page 5 on this thread, but you do realise that what you are saying totally vindicates Kolo Heights' 1st (and most pertinent) point. Toss it out? Ummmm.. yes the suppression of free energy technology has been expressly for that very reason - that it would render the idea of an 'economy' (as we know it) pointless overnight - the Illuminati's power base would crumble and people would be free, no longer enslaved. Toss it out? Heck keep that one in..right up the top of the list..because that's the number one reason nothing has been widely disclosed. Look up The Disclosure Project and Seaspower. Read up on the murder and intrigue behind the scenes to prevent such technology leaking out. It's real. This is not fairy-story fantasyland. Geez.

[edit on 17-6-2006 by RiotComing]



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 01:58 AM
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I try to be agnostic wherever possible in all my dealings with the kind of topics we're talking about here. I've never seen a ufo myself, nor have I been abducted (though I know people who have claimed both).

I also consider myself to have spiritual aspirations. I meditate now and again, do a bit of t'ai chi... and I'm a musician who takes John Coltrane's advice seriously : "after a while, all you can do is try to make yourself a better person."

And I have to comment at this point that the thought that all I'm doing in following this path is making my soul more "acceptable" somehow to a bunch of Greys really, really sucks. And marketable? That sucks more than The Partridge Family replacing every program on TV, on every channel, forever.

It makes me want to stop washing, start stewing in hatred for my fellow man, eat nothing but McDonalds, and wallow in the sickest internet porn I can find for the rest of my life. After a while I might even move up to a spot of serial killing and torture of children, knowing that none of it really matters anyway because we're all living on a "soul farm". (Spinal Tap fans might hear something that rings a bell here.)

No wonder it's a secret.

Still, having got that off my chest, could I just say to John that in the welter of more interesting discussion about souls I had a rather dull question about the moon landings and I quite understand if you find it somewhat unworthy of comment... but if you had forgotten it and did want to comment but it slipped your mind... this is a small reminder.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 02:58 AM
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It seems every pr of nature and every part of everything we do is purely business. the sun does business with the planets, feeds them UV light that here at least turns into energy by way of plants feeding animals who feed yet more animals. The planets do business with the sun by orbiting it and keeping the whole mess sort of together.

Thinking about religions that are accepted by the Human race there is a whole lot of business going on right down to competing firms after the same produce, our eternal souls...

This sounds very much like everything else we've been taught, just "plainer" somehow. Like the whole "dignity" and "ego" aspect has been removed and replaced with "you, sir/madame are a very fancy cow"


I mean no disrespect to anyone's beliefs (including my own) but I can't help but find it intriguing, the possibility that man is nothing more than produce in some very advanced economic system seems somehow fitting considering our history in dealing wth eachother as Humans.


I want to see more.

Springer...



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 03:30 AM
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Paradise Frost

It may be utterly irrelevant, but I do a lot of my thinking as background processing.

As I was walking outside this evening, a thought popped into my mind, in the manner that "solutions" to things I ponder often do.

Earth is rather remarkable, when you consider all the different factors that come together to make it what it is, particularly the way the presence and phases of water are intimately involved with virtually every aspect of the global environment.

Truly remarkable.

And the thought that popped into my head this evening was:

The temperature band of this planet is not accidental.

For whatever that might be worth, I think there may well be something to it.

Or not. Such is life.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by Springer
I can't help but find it intriguing, the possibility that man is nothing more than produce in some very advanced economic system seems somehow fitting considering our history in dealing wth eachother as Humans.


I want to see more.

I'm with you, Amigo. But maybe Earth (if this sleeper-ite theory is true) can become a much better producer of souls? I am guessing that's the ultimate goal. Like we're all a bunch of tomatoes who could get ripe real quick if we got shot up with the right mental chemicals and changed our way of living here on Earth.

I hereby predict that this will become one of the greatest ATS threads ever, right up there with sleeper's gem, which was probably ready to be locked. sleeper can post still, I presume. Certainly he's got more ammo now, eh? Readers who have not read sleeper's thread are really missing out on some great work. How bout a one-two punch? Longhair Cowboy's existence would have more validation than ever.


Mister Lear, here's the book you mentioned, but it looks like it's actually Matrix IV, is that right?

Amazon.com - Matrix IV

Now, this already looks interesting cause there's only one copy, and it's $180 dollars. If you have these drawings still, could you somehow allow them to be posted here on ATS? Do you retain any rights to them? On the other hand, I guess $180 dollars isn't much to pay for truth eh?


I am wondering about the fourth astronaut who died in the Apollo fire as you say. Was there any trouble covering that up? The secret government must still obey the laws of love and the primacy of the human soul, is that right? Or are the bad aliens like rascally rabbits in the carrot patch, stealing a carrot here and there? Can it be presumed that those carrots which are eaten, are of a low-quality soul-wise?

Thanks very much for your excellent participation in this thread. Please do not hold back, not that you would.



[edit on 17-6-2006 by smallpeeps]



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
And the thought that popped into my head this evening was:

The temperature band of this planet is not accidental.

For whatever that might be worth, I think there may well be something to it.

Excellent point Majic. Earth's temperature band exists such that it actually "walks" along the surface of the planet, up and down, as Earth moves around the sun during the year. The seasons are perfectly tuned, and this would not have happened, if Earth had sprung out and formed at a different distance. The tilt of Earth allows the temperature band to share the warmth along the majority of latitudes. Surely the declination was designed because it's the perfect angle for a sphere to be hit by the sun.

I am wondering if perhaps the creation of an M-Class planet (in trek terms) is not so rare, and is kinda like a seeding process? I'd be interested to know if Mars might have existed in Earth-type conditions some time in the past, if it'd had a sufficient atmosphere. Could a dense enough troposphere have shielded Mars? Hmm...



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 04:38 AM
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I grew up in a country in which there was a mixed economy - it was recognised that there were aspects of capitalism that needed restrictions. As I grew up, a bunch of right wing ideologues came along who wanted to bring the "discipline" of "market forces" to bear on every aspect of the national life. It became a land in which everything had a price and nothing had value. Corruption increased its foothold in the body politic.

I don't believe that we exist to do "business". And to confuse it with spirituality is a real mistake. Spirituality is about acting selflessly, in fact - consider the meaning and etymology of the word "sacrifice" for enlightenment on this issue.

I find the whole idea actually pretty offensive, and I think the best antidote to this appalling notion can be found in the Gospel of Supply Side Jesus

(Please note that I'm not a Christian myself, but I don't reject good ideas on the basis of where they come from.)

[edit on 17-6-2006 by rich23]



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 05:11 AM
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Well, what do you know?
I was quoted by the famous/infamous johnlear.
(can I put that on my resume?:lol


No, seriously though,
to play catch-up with your answer to one of my earlier questions;

Now, how much of the former statements can you actually prove?

And, what did you mean by "cheops"?



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 07:22 AM
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Thanks John.

Sorry to be hammering you with so many questions. Its just that when possible, I like to get clarification and validation of theories from the horses mouth. As someone who has studied alot of the UFO phenomenon and the government's place in muddyig the waters, your name has come up infrequently, sometimes in an unflattering light. However, as with most UFO research, such opinions are often the bias of the researcher themselves, and I am glad I have the chance to hear your own words and thoughts on the matter.

Some other questions I have.

Regarding Bennewitz. From everything I have read, Bennewitz believed the aliens were not belevolent, but a menacing threat. Is this true> From what you have been saying, you generally paint the picture that the aliens are not a threat or bad, however, you believed what Bennewitz was saying. Is it true that Paul was indeed frightened of these aliens for a reason, and thought they were doing horrible things at Dulce?

Also, is the story true that the greys took over Dulce in a bloody battle? Do you know why this disagreement took place? Do they still run Dulce themselves?

As far as Bennewitz is concerned, I don't buy the whole story that he was just a paranoid nut. I think he started out and discovered something, probably real UFO and alien activity, and I think that the powers that be did not like this, and waged a campaign of dis-info to drive him nuts and cause a nervous breakdown. Beyond that, I really don't know.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by jbondo
So stellar, are you John's personal lackey or something?


I just hate the fact that he might have to waste time responding to the nonsense you consider 'questions'. If you had studied the topic you could have been asking him questions that you could not find answers for elsewhere.


I don't remember asking you anything at all.


If you were more respectful of him and asked uniquely interesting i might not have noticed you...


I merely pointed out that you were being hypocritical, which you were.


Rather that than plainly ignorant and oblivious.


I didn't really notice where you were able to refute this in your ranting. But of course I could never compete with a guy that breaks every post down into bite size portions for the purpose of showing how superior he is and in a caustic and deprecating manner no less.


When you deal with facts you tend to address them the way i am addressing you and the absence of facts in your post is hardly my fault.


I kinda get the impression that you feed off of insulting and berating others. You, by your modus operandi most assuredly must know your stuff.


If you checked my record you would have noticed that i do not easily jump to insulting anyone and maybe that would have gotten you thinking why i picked you. What i know you could know but it seems you would rather insult those who could teach/show you.


I've seen people on other boards that use this method to attack, ridiculing those that don't follow their line of thinking.


You did not do much thinking about this topic , IMO, and i am 'attacking' you for not showing more respect when you have every reason to.


In most cases it works, mainly because the long winded nature of this style tends to just go on forever and people just get bored and leave.


Funnily i find that most people who use the 'long winded' style spend on average far more time researching their ideas than those who block quote and never address questions. How much research did you do? If you want to type what you like i suggest you write a book and try sell it as on this forum what you make public might actually be question.


See what I'm doing right now is splitting my post up into those little bite size chunks to help you out a little when you attempt to rip me apart again.


Fast turning into a real gentleman. Can you try be that from the start next time?


I'm sorry if someone stole the surprise out of your cereal this morning. Could I make you feel better if I complemented you on your obviously aggressive and deranged attitude?


I value compliments.



You obviously can't take a little critiquing and I usually don’t even respond to rambling such as yours but I’m feeling a bit spunky today.

Am I getting warm here?


Spunk coupled with some general knowledge and facts is all i ask you bring to the table and two out of three is , i guess , not that bad.
Well i think your getting cold but my opinion does not matter much with the ATS jury being around to validate/invalidate your opinion....

Stellar



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