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posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 07:51 PM
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John Lear,

Im not sure if you already covered this, but I had a question.

Do you know why the aliens are harvesting our souls specifically?

Also, since the soul has always been something of a debate amongst scientists, do you know the scientific or theoretical basis for a soul? Have the aliens shared this tidbit with us?

And how is the harvesting of our souls a good thing? What exactly happened with our souls before the aliens harvested them, or has this been something thats occurred from the beginning?




posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 07:57 PM
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First, a heartfelt thanks to John for answering my last query with such courtesy.

Something has occurred to me recently and I'd like to throw it out there for the consideration of John and indeed anyone else who likes to comment.

I have heard many people say that the Apollo 11 astronauts were "warned off" the moon, that they were buzzed by UFOs when on EVA on the moon's surface, and I believe that ages ago I came across a purported transcription of the audio of this encounter on the net.

Here's my point. This sits rather ill, it seems to me, with the idea that a clandestine space programme has been underway, and putting bases on other planets, since the sixties. It's all but mutually exclusive with it, in fact. If, by the time of the Apollo landings, some faction within the USG had already established bases elsewhere, why would ETs of whatever species buzz the Apollo lander?

I've spoken to an ex-SAC guy who swears that this Apollo incident definitely happened... and yet one suspects that one or another of these incidents is disinfo...

Anyway John I'd be interested to know if you've heard these rumours and if so, what your thoughts might be.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by mecheng
If the Earth is their 'soul farm' and they are harvesting our souls, how can that be considered good?


Consider the alternative.



Also, if their intentions are good, couldn't they just come out and explain what their doing? Especially if it's ultimately for good (I'm assuming you meant good for us, not necessarily good for them).



How many times have you walked through a zoo and explained to each and every animal what you are doing there and why they are there? How many times have you passed an aquarium and stopped to explain to the fish why they are there and what you are doing to help them? When you drive by a cattle ranch do you ever stop and talk to the cows and tell them you sure would enjoy having them for dinner? Have you ever picked up one of those rectangular glass ant farms and shaken up the sand? Before you did that did you take the time to tell the ants what you were going to do and how they would benefit? Then why in the heck would you think aliens would bother to tell us humans anything after watching us carefully and determing that our primary skill/activity was that of hammering each other on the internet?



[edit on 16-6-2006 by johnlear]



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Then why in the heck would you think aliens would bother to tell us humans anything after watching us carefully and determing that our primary skill/activity was that of hammering each other on the internet?



John, just great
))) absolutly perfect!



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:14 PM
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IDK if we warned off the moon but if these are authentic conversations from NASA then wow. Can anyone confirm this?

Here



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Do you know why the aliens are harvesting our souls specifically?


It is my considered opinion that that if the souls were being marketed that their value would increase considerably with each lifetime cycle. In other words a soul having experienced 1472 lifetimes would be more valuable than a soul having experienced only 4 lifetimes. Diametrically opposed to the value of a used car where the higher the mileage the less valuable the car. If the souls are not being marketed then I believe the value is still in the higher lifetime souls. We may reach a point where our soul rises above hammering our neighbor on the internet. But I realize thats pretty far fetched.


Also, since the soul has always been something of a debate amongst scientists, do you know the scientific or theoretical basis for a soul? Have the aliens shared this tidbit with us?


If you are asking what exactly is a soul it is a tiny recording device that records each and every lifetime experience which includes thoughts, deeds, five or 6 senses...everything. And stores it forever. That information is inavailable to its current container (with the exception of an occasional past life regression hypnosis session.)


What exactly happened with our souls before the aliens harvested them, or has this been something thats occurred from the beginning?


This has been going on since the beginning. Thats what it is all about.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Consider the alternative.

Frankly, I have no idea what the alternative is. Do you? If so, tell the readers.



Then why in the heck would you think aliens would bother to tell us humans anything after watching us carefully and determing that our primary skill/activity was that of hammering each other on the internet?

What society are you living in? We love, we recreate, have sex, create art, build cars, build skyscrapers, teach children,.....get the point? For instance, my primary skill is making incredible scrambled eggs. They are to die for.

Admin Edit: We don't need snide or rude remarks...

You're right. My apologies.


[edit on 6-16-2006 by Springer]

[edit on 16-6-2006 by MrPenny]



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear

This has been going on since the beginning. Thats what it is all about.


This idea of Aliens harvesting Souls is if nothing else an interesting idea so I'll bite. ( Its right down Shaman territory too ! )

Now you say this has been going on since the beginning.

I have to ask what beginning your talking about ?



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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John Lear has come here to openly discuss his OPINIONS and BELIEFS and he is as WELCOME TO DO THAT as any Member of this Community. Rude, snide or personality focused comments will be deleted and the poster will be warned or worse.

THIS FORUM (Aliens and UFOs) is here for the CIVIL discussion of all things UFO related.

If you disagree with John, fine, no problem at all, but disagree like ladies and gentlemen or disagree silently. John Lear is just as entitled to his opinion as anyone else. He has NOT tried to pass it off as fact, nor has he tried to convince anyone of anything.

He is sharing his life experience with those who want to read it and we intend to make sure he is able to do just that.

Springer...


[edit on 6-16-2006 by Springer]



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:38 PM
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Thanks, John, for your input.

What you have stated is pretty much the doctrine of most of the worlds religons regarding reincarnation, with alot more decorum added for the sake of worship. Which would support theories that believe aliens created all the religons and such.

But another question. Just exactly what are these aliens marketing the souls for? I mean, it sounds like a silly question, but the idea is pretty weird: literally selling souls. What do they want to sell these souls for, and to whom? And what do they want the recordings of our life experiences for?

I suppose my question is really, just what do you know about the aliens themselves as people/beings in general?



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 08:42 PM
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Questions already answered previously. My apoligizes

[edit on 6/16/2006 by pstiffy]



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:01 PM
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Thanks for the post MrPenny


Frankly, I have no idea what the alternative is. Do you? If so, tell the readers.


I was responding to this question: Originally posted by mecheng
If the Earth is their 'soul farm' and they are harvesting our souls, how can that be considered good. I was asking mecheng to consider the alternative which is, obviously, that they are eating our souls rather than harvesting them.


What society are you living in? We love, we recreate, have sex, create art, build cars, build skyscrapers, teach children,.....get the point? For instance, my primary skill is making incredible scrambled eggs. They are to die for.


OK. Well, forget the love and sex but send some of them scrambled eggs over...toot sweet. Thanks



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


But another question. Just exactly what are these aliens marketing the souls for? I mean, it sounds like a silly question, but the idea is pretty weird: literally selling souls. What do they want to sell these souls for, and to whom?


My apologies Skadi, I was being facetious to make a point. Obviously I failed miserably. The point was that the more lifetime experiences the more valuable the soul. Valuable to us, that is. Once we reach a certain level of experience we move up a notch. Finally we get to a level where we don't have to interact with all these friggin' idiots on earth.


I suppose my question is really, just what do you know about the aliens themselves as people/beings in general?


The only thing I know for iron clad sure is that I don't know anything for sure about aliens.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:22 PM
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Mr. Lear,
I know, I said I was done with this thread. So sue me. I think you're the first poster to respond to my "in your face" style with grace and wit. That changes things.

Are you absolutely certain about our soul? Keep in mind, the idea that we even possess a soul is still, only an idea.

Why am I certain my soul is completely independent and free? Why does my soul feel that your philosophy is incorrect? Why am I utterly certain, in my "soul", that the idea that my soul is somehow controlled by other entities to be a copout, and simply a replacement for a christianity style religion?



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman

Now you say this has been going on since the beginning.
I have to ask what beginning your talking about ?


Your choice. The Universe is trillions of years old. Not the 16 billion you are led to believe.

I don't know the age of the earth. I would think it is much older than the 5 billion scientists give it.

I believe that the aliens manufacture the souls, plant them, nuture them, treat them like mushrooms, collect them, sort them and then store or send them out again.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:33 PM
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I've been keeping pretty quiet as I read this thread as I tend to follow the ol' if you have nothing nice to say blah blah blah.

I will say that while I don't agree or better to say that some of john's theories I find hard to swallow I do respect the years he's put into the game and this:


The only thing I know for iron clad sure is that I don't know anything for sure about aliens.


Is the most perfect sumation of the entire paranormal field. Like most of you my fascination with all things paranormal started when I was a child and continues now into my "functional society" years and I think anyone who has really looked into this or related subjects for long enough will find that quote as appropriate as I.

In fact I think I'm gonna make it my new siggy.

Happy flying john I appreciate your heart felt opinions but am really just having a hard time with the whole soul harvesting thing, not that I have a better explanation mind you.

Spiderj



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Then why in the heck would you think aliens would bother to tell us humans anything after watching us carefully and determing that our primary skill/activity was that of hammering each other on the internet?


Again Mr. Lear I appreciate you answers. I don't think they would necessarily. Heck, I don't know they even exist! I'm just trying to get some answers to life's fundimental questions and I'll take that information from anywhere I can get it... you, aliens, or otherwise.

By the way, your opinions are very interesting... even for an engineer/skeptic like myself


Do you have a website or book that goes into your opinions further?



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:53 PM
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Sorry John. I see now your point. I sriously thought you meant a literal market for souls or something.


Another question. Whats the story with Dulce anyway? I don't remember your thoughts on it. What do you think of Bennewitz?



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by MrPenny
Mr. Lear,
I know, I said I was done with this thread. So sue me. I think you're the first poster to respond to my "in your face" style with grace and wit. That changes things.


Thanks MrPenny.


Are you absolutely certain about our soul? Keep in mind, the idea that we even possess a soul is still, only an idea. Why am I certain my soul is completely independent and free? Why does my soul feel that your philosophy is incorrect? Why am I utterly certain, in my "soul", that the idea that my soul is somehow controlled by other entities to be a copout, and simply a replacement for a christianity style religion?


Its only human to want to believe that you have 'free choice', 'free will'. And you can as long as you are generally going along with the 'program'. If you are not headed in the 'right' direction things will become difficult, money will not flow, doors will close, but if you are heading in the 'right' direction, doors will open, money will flow, life will be easy. The 'electronic' signal of your soul radiates to the farthest reaches of the universe. Some alien somewhere knows (1) who you are (2) where you are (3) what you are supposed to be doing (4) what you are really doing). That alien is there hammer you in the 'right' direction. Of course, some call the alien GOD. But that alien would smile because he also has some friggin' master sergeant to report to.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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Do you have a website or book that goes into your opinions further?


No. Sorry. No website or book.



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