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posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
johnlear,

O.k. I've researched the UFO phenomena a bit myself , and I can't help but to notice that UFOs have this habit of frequenting Nuclear Storage facilities and other "HOT" areas and equipment over the years not only here in the U.S. but across the globe where "Hot" areas are found.

So in my mind Paul Bennewitz could have easily been seeing substantial UFO traffic.

That is the real truth. It's people who spread these tales like the ones being spun by John Lear that are doing the real spinning. They are spinning all this ufo sightings as being secret government ships and when we talk about them they try to claim that we are talking about classified information. It's a bunch of spin and lies. I'd put him into a catagory with Alex Jones.





[edit on 16-6-2006 by lost_shaman]




posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by longhaircowboy


Please tell me more about your human eating Martians I don't think I've heard that one before. I'm curious LHC, where else would 'Martians' be from?

Ok so maybe my use of the term martian was off the mark but maybe you should read what you wrote in 1987.
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You've more than heard it before, you wrote about it.

[edit on 6/18/06 by longhaircowboy]


LongHairedCowboy... The link doesn't work, can you fix it? I'd like to read that as I'm sure everyone else would too.


Thanks...

Springer...



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 01:09 PM
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Has anyone heard about the idea that the 'secret govt' (I'm just going to use the terms used when I read and heard about this) were building bases on Mars in order to avoid the problems they saw coming to Earth, and then they expected things like pole-shifts, but then after that found out that the pole-shifts would happen on Mars too?

A related one is about Mars having been inhabited, and for whatever reason they were a warlike peoples and began wiping their environment and each other out, and some of them who weren't that way inclined escaped to Earth - but they escaped in such a way that there was a time-discrepency, and that all the time-related projects such as Montauk are all stages in them trying to perfect their escape to here? In this view, the reasons that this world has problems with environmental and warlike stuff is because some of those kinds of destructive Martians followed the others to here, and began doing similar things on this planet. They are also said to be responsible for the denials of such things as aliens and the destruction of the civilisations that were here, to which we now have remnants all over the planet in the form of ruins.

It's interesting that the Face on Mars (the original photos) looks like a Pharoah, and the Ancient Egyptians certainly knew of death-science and re-animation and had all kinds of tools that related to the soul. Also interesting that the D&M pyramid in Cydonia is five-sided. What other buildings do we know of with that shape......



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 01:40 PM
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You want to hear about the secret government? It apears to be something being created by the military and who know who else. This is just my perception. But the people who keep talking about the secret government are actually deeply involved in trying to set up the secret government. There role seems to be to inform the public that it is here, and that they are being watched and monitored. There is lots of eavesdropping that is going on and the media is in on it. There may actually be a link to the media and the worlds richest families. It appears to be the media, super rich, many politicians, and the military. There is nothing secret about it since they keep trying to make everybody aware of it and that they are laying down a bunch of new rules for the rest of us to live by whether we like it or not. Rule number one: If a politician like Newt Gingrich is eavesdropped upon they can pass a law making it illigal. However, if a private citizen such as you or I is being eavesdropped upon by the media then instead of passing a law against this and putting THESE people on a list of those who need to be brought to justice they instead cover for them by creating secret new programs meant to make their eavesdropping legal and par t of some new secret government. It's all about eavesdropping on the rest of us.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 01:58 PM
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I just meant the usual term for 'the elite' that's all. I've heard all about them for years.

Spying is a problem, but think about when whoever is doing that finds out how much they are spied on! How - as John Lear has suggested in this thread - every move made is known of. Now if you can live happily knowing that to be the case then you're at an advantage over anyone that seeks to be able to use anything here to be spying on anyone else. In a world without lies - there are no secrets but also there isn't any judgement, because no-lies also means that most of what we are programmed and expected to be ashamed about wouldn't be shameful - because there's no lies.
No lies means not being measured on the kinds of things that the dominant cultures here consider important, they simply wouldn't be able to twist reality into those false-standards being in place.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear. Remember I told you that somebody knows what you are doing every single second of your life? If you happen to see something you shouldn't have somebody will be notified and the problem dealt with.



This is not really that much of an exageration if you are one of the fortunate few who have been targeted by these people. It could be that his purpose in coming here was to let everybody here at ATS know, or just a few of us, that we are being watched and that we have been targeted by his secret government. This is just my opinion and my read on this guy. People tell me I'm paranoid but I can tell you a lot about what is going on. It is the very people in the media who have people on their shows who claim to be privacy rights advocates who are the ones who are deeply involved in the eavesdropping of this "secret government". In my opinion, they right books about privacy rights not because they give a damn about our privacy but because they want to talk about it on the radio just so they can let every one know, as Mr. Lear has, that they are being spied upon. Be very careful about these people on these radio programs that cover the country. Don Henly was right when he sang, "...It is the end of the innocence...." Our country is no longer what it used to be. You can thank me for spreading your message as I know that is what you keep telling people. The days when you could hear something besides propaganda on the radio are over. We are pretty much communist in the US and you can thank the military establishment and people like John Lear in my opinion.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 02:14 PM
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I've always experience that more like a program - it's watched by what we might term angels or aliens, in the same way that our security systems operate in real-time on online servers.

But the particles and waves that make up reality are themselves all accounted for like hard drive sectors and magnetic particles, anything that alters is noted. Some people are linked to that systems operation more directly than others, but I think we all to an extent join in, however unconsciously.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by ed 209
I just meant the usual term for 'the elite' that's all. I've heard all about them for years.

Spying is a problem, but think about when whoever is doing that finds out how much they are spied on! How - as John Lear has suggested in this thread - every move made is known of. Now if you can live happily knowing that to be the case then you're at an advantage over anyone that seeks to be able to use anything here to be spying on anyone else. In a world without lies - there are no secrets but also there isn't any judgement, because no-lies also means that most of what we are programmed and expected to be ashamed about wouldn't be shameful - because there's no lies.
No lies means not being measured on the kinds of things that the dominant cultures here consider important, they simply wouldn't be able to twist reality into those false-standards being in place.



Yes they are looking to create a world that they claim is without secrets. They use words like "transparent". So then why do they keep so many secrets from us. What this means most likely is that we little people will have no secrets. But what happens when the world finds out their secret. That they are lying and spinning and have found a way to profit from the alien presence by making it look like they have made deals with the aliens that they just cant tell anybody about. And when people find out that they (the secret government) actually has no control whatsoever over the aliens, no deals, not special projects like Dulce where they not only have made contact but have aliens teaching them now. What happens when they find out this is all a bunch of lies. Then what happens to their secret government when they are found out? Is that the point where as Alex Jones says, "the military takes over"?





posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 02:35 PM
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I don't think of myself as some powerless little people, that would be buying into a total lie! I'm better off than anyone caught up in having to perform to fake-standards to be appreciated, however much money they have. It's not worth that.

I saw Johns comment more as it affects everyone including any beings doing the monitoring, maybe I was wrong but that's the impression I got.

The monitoring in terms of knowing all that happens is not spying! It's just how reality is made, the same way that everything that has ever been on a hard drive can be found again, it's like that for particles etc that make up reality. They all carry their whole history in them.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 02:48 PM
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You can defend there actions if you like. But you have not walked in my shoes. My name is Steve. I don't know if you are old enough to remember what America used to be like. And I don't know if you are old enough to remember a certain late night radio talk show where people used to call in and talk about people named Steve. I'm Steve. Glad to meet you. They are not just spying. They are using their radio programs to torment people that they are spying upon. It is not just simple monitoring by the government of suspects as John Ascroft and others have led you to believe. It is not as innocent as they are spinning it. They are not only spying on people who are ordinary private citizens, but they are going out of their way, as John Lear has done, to let people know that they are being spyed upon. It would be a little like going to a church and everytime you attended the person who was doing the speaking would aim his message right at you. You would feel that it was very unfair. You never get a chance to defend yourself or tell the guy he doesn't know what he is talking about. But all the people listening to him know who he is talking about and believe everything he says. At that point you stop going to church. And so they then take their smear campaign to the airwaves, public airwaves. They should be prosecuted or they should face judgment from the aliens in my opinion.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 03:01 PM
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What are you going on about anyway? Nothing you wrote bears any relation to what I am saying here, at all. Please stop making such stupid presumptions about me when you aren't even reading what I wrote. You seem to live in some paranoid world where god-knows-who spies on everyone, I've explained that I acknowledge what that is - and I explained why it doesn't matter. Don't change that into me defending wrongful actions and please don't be trying to get me onboard some para-trip.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 06:31 PM
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I'm not sure why the link doesnt work. try
www.ufomind.com...
or maybe a search of ufomind.com I can access it when I put the URL in the toolbar.
Basicallly it's an article Lear wrote claiming knowledge of ETs at 51 who subsisted on human beings. He's such a gullible old soul. He even bought into the Lazar crap.
Oh and Bill Cooper dropped him like a box of rocks.


[edit on 6-20-2006 by Springer]



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by longhaircowboy
I'm not sure why the link doesnt work. try
www.ufomind.com...
or maybe a search of ufomind.com I can access it when I put the URL in the toolbar.
Basicallly it's an article Lear wrote claiming knowledge of ETs at 51 who subsisted on human beings. He's such a gullible old soul. He even bought into the Lazar crap.
Oh and Bill Cooper dropped him like a box of rocks.
No wonder his dad disowned him.


Wow some people get away with murder in the viciousness of their personal attacks. I've seen many people get banned for harmless acts in comparison. There is zero respect going on here.

Well I have read the link, and it actually sums up the whole abduction / Dulce scenario very succinctly. It follows pretty much what has been going on exopolitically-speaking, quite faithfully. In my opinion, it's a well-written article and have no reason to doubt the content as it has been covered extensively elsewhere, it reinforces what many people are thinking.

People are making snide remarks and taking personal potshots at Mr Lear for being a "gullible soul spreading disinfo" - well how do I know the detractors aren't here to strike back and purposefully pooh-pooh with venom? Tenaciously trying to steer members away from the discussion at hand, to the point of "it's all lies", it's all a bit suspicious. More suspicious than a single member coming forth with their open honest view on how they think these events transpired. I am both fascinated and open-minded towards what Mr Lear has to say, and it would be a shame if he stops posting on the account of a couple of members trying to be the big bad wolf.

And by the way, nowhere in that article did John Lear mention "human-eating Martians". Once again, an attempt to jackknife and ridicule the topic at hand. Ever heard of argumentum ad hominem?



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by longhaircowboy

No wonder his dad disowned him.




I’m sure your daddy is proud of his 15 year old Vietnam War Veteran----cowboy---


How does someone like you have the gall to point the finger at anyone?

And don’t offer to show your fake DD-214, any child can make one on their computer.

The real question is how many war medals have you bought at the PX and claimed them as your own?



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 09:50 PM
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I’m sure your daddy is proud of his 15 year old Vietnam War Veteran----cowboy---

How does someone like you have the gall to point the finger at anyone?

And don’t offer to show your fake DD-214, any child can make one on their computer.

The real question is how many war medals have you bought at the PX and claimed them as your own?


Well look who's here. The lovable loser. Whasthematter sleeper? Not gettin enough attention?
My dad is in his 80's and served in WWII stationed at Ft. Ord and Pearl.
My military record is available and verifiable. You on the other hand have resisted attempts to verify your real identity.
I recieved numerous awards during my service none of which involved killing anyone.
I served in the 2nd Armored under Gen. Patton Jr. before he recieved orders to command the 3rd armored in Germany.
Sorry guys. That were a bit off topic. Back to the Martians.
Hey sleepy., you really the alter ego of JL? Cause you 2 got a lot in common.
I can see it now..........[dream sequence]
I'm John Lear heir apparent to the Lear Jet Co. Maybe if I pose as a contactee on a forum where there seem to be many gullible folk I can slide my ridiculous claims right on in and noone will notice. [/dream off]



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Remember a few years back the Rover panels that got so dusty that the batteries wouldn't charge? And then a few weeks later came back to life? That was 'our' secret astronaut corps at work with some paper towels and Windex.


No disrespect intended. But I have to agree with longhair. That's hilarious.



posted on Jun, 19 2006 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by longhaircowboy

He even bought into the Lazar crap.


Let there be no mistake about this one. I bought into the Lazar c*** and am still buying it. I was honored to be mixed up in such a crazy 2 years.


Oh and Bill Cooper dropped him like a box of rocks.


When I first met Bill Cooper and he came up and stayed at my house to exchange ideas in 1988 his story was a little different. He was not "a Naval Intelligence Officer". He told me he was the one who set up the projector for top level Navy briefings and had access to the 'safe' where some of those briefings were kept. When PM magazine came over to interview us Bill made the statement on camera that he 'had seen the O.H. Krill briefings (written by John Grace a few months earlier) in the Navy" I was shocked and embarrrassed. I limited my contact with Bill after that.


No wonder his dad disowned him.


Dad died in 1978. My interest in UFO's began in 1985. My Dad's irritation with me was over my criticism of the design and composite manufacture of the Lear Fan. After he died my mother continued the project and with the help of Oppenheimer Investments, the British Government, Salim bin Laden (Osama's half brother) and Prince Sultan (not the Defense Minister of Saudi Arabia, his nephew) managed to blow close to $400 million before declaring the project a technological and financial disaster and filing bankruptcy.

Serpo? Are you out there? Are you going to help me exchange barbs with LHC or what?



posted on Jun, 19 2006 @ 12:18 AM
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Well it took my all evening to get through all the messages in this thread to only get to the end where cowboy is being rude to someone who does not deserve it. I made notes while reading through this thread so please bare with me:


Originally posted by _Raiden_
Me and a friend of mine were discussing aliens a couple weeks back and he said he heard a theory that what if there really were aliens on Mars but they had some sort of "shield" over the planet so we would see nothing except craters and mountains and what if what we saw on TV about the different rovers was actually not real but the aliens manipulating our television waves...I don't know sounds like an interesting idea what do you all think?


I believe there is a possibility of Martians still living on Mars after all of these thousands of years. A shield i'm not so sure on that one.. but I guess it is possible.


Originally posted by johnlear
My opinion is that Martians look identical to us but maybe a bit more barrel-chested.


Well then this would help to fit my theory that Martians are really Atlanteans who came here to Earth many hundreds of thousands of years ago. Maybe not all of them got off from Mars.


Originally posted by johnlear
Remember a few years back the Rover panels that got so dusty that the batteries wouldn't charge? And then a few weeks later came back to life?


I follow all of the rovers missions and I do remember that. Didn't they say it was a gust of wind that cleared off the solar panels? I mean come on... they want us to believe that the wind didn't blow until a few weeks later? and then blew enough to clean them off.. and let's not forget about Spirit and Opportunity.. they have solar panels as well and they are always clean.. hmmm does this mean that the wind is blowing all the time in the areas that these rovers are?


Originally posted by anxietydisorder
With all we know about Mars now I think the only possible life we will find now is under a microscope.


This is not neccessarily accurate. If an ancient civilization lived on Mars a long time ago (and I believe that it did) then the only way for them to have survived would be to travel to Earth and underground on their own Planet Mars.


Originally posted by Enkidu
It's a bunch of baloney. What would be the purpose of trying to hide from us? If they had enough resources and energy to camouflage an entire planet, I don't think they have anything to fear from us.


Maybe they are not trying to hide from us... we are not the only life forms in this galaxy.


Originally posted by kolo_heights
It seems rather far-fetched, but perhaps Mars rather then a old alien planet could perhaps be an anchestoral planet, where we as humans originated from?


You are right about that one.. well that is my opinion. I even started a thread about it:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Originally posted by johnlear
"Do any pictures other than 70A11 or 35A72 exist of Cydonia"? to which he answered 'no'. We then asked if Viking had ever been taken down to a lower orbit? Nathan answered 'yes' but he said 'we didn't take any pictures.'


I knew they (NASA and other gov's) had to be doing other things with the satellites and other technology that they are using in space than what they are sharing with us. Thanks Mr. Lear for sharing that info with us.


Originally posted by RiotComing
Wow some people get away with murder in the viciousness of their personal attacks. I've seen many people get banned for harmless acts in comparison. There is zero respect going on here.


That was nicely put Riot. Plus I have to ask.. is your avatar a pic of a Rod flying on Mars? I think I found it during my research of Mars images.

I will be following this thread. I hope to see more science and less meanness.



posted on Jun, 19 2006 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by longhaircowboy


I'm John Lear heir apparent to the Lear Jet Co. Maybe if I pose as a contactee on a forum where there seem to be many gullible folk I can slide my ridiculous claims right on in and noone will notice.


Dad sold Lear Jet Corp. to Gates Rubber Co. in 1967. He then moved to Reno and tried to develop a steam car. Lear Jet Corp. changed hands several times and now belongs to Bombardier. I never had any financial interest in Lear Jet Corp. nor do I have any now. The only time I worked for Lear Jet Corp. was in 1963-64 as a gofer and part time riveter on graveyard.



posted on Jun, 19 2006 @ 01:37 AM
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Some people could really, really do with reading the Terms & Conditions Of Use.


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Debunking personal claims is fine, making unpleasant, rude and offensive comments like 'No wonder his dad disowned him.' and 'Well look who's here. The lovable loser. Whasthematter sleeper? Not gettin enough attention?' is not.

If you can't contibute civally without resorting to personal attacks, don't bother.

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