The Catholic Conspiracy

This turned out to be rather interesting. Thx for the info RE tarot, guys.

Originally posted by Roark
This turned out to be rather interesting. Thx for the info RE tarot, guys.

Should beome even more interesting Roark.
The tarot is absolutely fascinating...I have only been looking at the symbolism for about 8 months...I have not even looked at the minor arcana.
There is so much concealed in the archetypes...incrediable.

namaste

Raphael

Interesting info Cinosamitna, Cug, Kachina, Masonic Light.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Crowley did not use the swastika very much, and it is not a very important symbol in Thelema.

Really?

Last I checked, the significance of the Swastika is VERY important in regard to Thelema(Will Power).

Samael Aun Weor spoke many times of the importance of utilizing the Cross in Movement as the most Potent way to awaken Thelema.

The Bons and Buddhists understand this(as did Hitler and the Dugpas) as well:


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Crowley did, however, during World War II, have himself photographed standing in the Sign of Apophis and Typhon, and tried to circulate it widely. This was supposed to have been a type of magical attack on the Nazis, as the Sign of Apophis represents that which can overpower the solar forces indicated by the swastika.

Hmmm...

What would make A. Crowley think that the Nazis represented the Solar Force?(because they pretended to?)


The Nazis and the Dugpas are certainly representatives of Apep/Apophis(the Tempting Serpent), the negative use of the Swastika.

But, as has been pointed out so many times already, so are A. Crowley's teachings.

So it's kind of ironic isn't it?


The authentic Gnostic worships his or her Divine Mother Kundalini, the Feminine aspect of the Solar Logos, the Cross in Movement in the right way(Chastity).


And once again, A. Crowley was not the sole proponent of Thelema(in fact he wanted to pervert it).

Originally posted by Cinosamitna
Although Hitler was in certain ways tied to the Jesuits, he eventually turned on them after coming under the influence of black magicians in Tibet (Bhutan). The meaning of the "En Volt" with the hand extended outward and the reversed corrupted usage of the swastika (as it is a holy symbol when used correctly) are but small signs that things are not always as they first appear.

As for a Catholic Conspiracy? The Catholic Church is involved in conspiracies (past and present) but then so too are non-Catholics. The real "Unseen Hand" are not even the recent Herzl political zionists or Catholics, but rather a much more cunning group of Esau-zionsits that have tried to claim themselves as the true owners of the 12 tribes of Israel. The Committee of 300 is made up of these Esau/Ieadeans who like to call themselves "Ieadeans" and know that they are Esau, while claiming to be from the Jacob stream. They are mostly coming from Esau (The fig tree which bore no fruit).

Interesting.

Would you say that whether the Swastika is clockwise, or counter-clockwise, is what indicates whether it represents the Solar Logos or the Tempting Serpent?

Because if I remember correctly, the Bons as a whole(whether Black or White Magicians) depict it counter-clockwise; but it is commonly found depicted in Hindu and Buddhist symbolism as clockwise.

We've learned that the Chakras should turn clockwise and that the Magic Cricle should be formed clockwise, however it is not always the case with other things, for example:

The Master Key


Q: Venerable Master, I would like you to clarify an idea that appears in Venezuela. We have always thought that the "close" is made from left to the right, but now someone has come with a new idea of "close," and since then it is not done as it used to be, but inverted. As I saw you doing the "close" in our past meeting as we have always done it, I would like an explanation.

Samael Aun Weor: Well, my dear brother, I do not know why the Gnostic brothers and sisters gave the name of "close" to it, this is not a "close," nobody can close himself with this. The symbol of the cross within the circle is an Esoteric symbol that does not have anything to do with the "close." The cross with its two beams: one vertical and the other horizontal, express something absolutely sexual. We already know that the vertical is masculine and that the horizontal is feminine, and that their intersection is the key of any power: the Maithuna.

The circle around the cross indicates that those two Eternal Beams come from the Universal Spirit of Life, from eternity, and that any creation is based in those two Powers: masculine-feminine. Now you will understand, for example, why in any theology there always appears the masculine deity and the feminine deity: Joseph and Mary, Isis and Osiris, etc. Both symbolize the Lingam-Yoni, Phallus-Uterus.

Does the Third Logos create? Yes, he creates combining his masculine and feminine elements, and the creatures reproduce themselves through sex (even flowers have to use the masculine and feminine powers for reproduction).

We, through the Holy Cross, that is to say, through the Lingam-Yoni, can achieve the creation of our Existential Superior Bodies of the Being. That is the power of the cross, and all of this within the Circle of the Eternity. But that is not a "close," it is a symbol, and it is the same if you move the hand from right to left or from left to right. I do not know why the brothers and sisters pay so much attention on how to move the hand, if from right to left or from left to right. Everybody can do it as they want, because it is not a "close," it is a symbol and nothing else! O.K.?

Q: Yes, we got it. It happens that the Word "close" comes from your book "Logos Mantra Theurgy," in which you recommended that a kind of "close" that has to be done from left to right, and was ended leaving an open space to let the forces come to the person.

Samael Aun Weor: Then you did not understand correctly what I wrote. I never said "close" (to say it specifically), in the form that all the brothers and sisters understood, or as a Magic close, or something like that. I never wanted to say that. When I say "close," I am talking about how to close the circle; that is all. I understand for a real "close," for example, when one makes a circle on the floor to invoke any being, any master of the astral. Then one makes a complete circle, only interrupted by the Seal of Solomon. That is an extraordinary "close" to avoid being attacked by negative entities; but only in those cases. I did not want to call the cross inside of the circle a "close" because that would be absurd, that is just a symbol. I only wanted to say "close" because one makes a circle with the hand and closes it. So, the brothers and sisters have not understood it. Have they not? They have given to this a meaning that it does not have. Everyone can do the cross inside of the circle as he wants: moving the hand from right to left or from left to right! That does not have any importance; what really counts is the cross in the circle as a sacred symbol of the sexual masculine-feminine intersection that will let us achieve Inner Self-Realization.

Q: Related to this, Venerable Master, there is another problem. It happens that we learned that we have to gyrate the chakras from left to right, using the Imagination. Now it seems that we have to move them from right to left. Then, in this case, would the problem of the chakras be same as the cross inside of the circle?

Samael Aun Weor: There is no relation between the chakras and the symbol of the cross inside of the circle of eternity. Do not connect one thing with the other. The chakras have to be gyrated in a positive form: from left to right, as the hands of a clock observed in front of you.

Q: For example, Master: the clock is over there; I am observing it in front of me. Then how do I have to gyrate the chakras?

V.M. Samael Aun Weor: In the same way as you see that the hand is moving. You are observing the clock on the wall: how do you observe that its hands are moving? In the same way you have to gyrate the chakras. Observe with attention the hands of the clock... Unfortunately, some brothers and sisters have been complicating themselves with small details and that is unfortunate, very unfortunate.

What I want you to know is that it is necessary to work with the Sacred Fire; the Divine Mother Kundalini Shakti will take care of the development of the chakras in a positive way, as it has to be. We have to leave those chakras to the Divine Mother, she knows what she is doing. You just vocalize and be like the gardener that sprinkles his garden every day, to the point that the flowers are born by themselves (because the Divine Mother makes them to be born, the Mother Nature opens the petals of the roses, etc.). In the same way, water your garden every day, cultivate the rose, transmute the creative energies, and she (the blessed God-Mother) will know how to gyrate the Chakras. It is obvious that it is from left to right, but this is her work, not yours. All that you have to do is to transmute, to vocalize, to pray and to meditate (with intensity) on the Divine Mother.

Q: About plants, Master, there is also some confusion. Does the circle have to be done from left to right? Is it necessary to make the circle, or just to bless the plant?

Samael Aun Weor: The circle has to be done around the plant and then bless it. Everyone can do it as he wants, from left to right or from right to left. Make the circle, and do not to complicate it with small details. I do not know why the brothers and sisters, especially from South America, get confused with this. What really counts is to work with the fire, and she will take care of putting the whole organism in order, and the chakras. That is what really counts!

So what I'm getting at, is that it doesn't seem to be the way the Swastika is depicted(as Blavatsky was mistaken that all Bons are Black Magicians), but in how it is used in reality as the utilization of the Sexual Energy(The White Schools in a positive way; and the Black Schools in the negative way such as Hitler, Dugpas, A. Crowley, etc.).





Regards

[edit on 3-9-2006 by Tamahu]

So what I'm getting at, is that it doesn't seem to be the way the Swastika is depicted(as Blavatsky was mistaken that all Bons are Black Magicians), but in how it is used in reality as the utilization of the Sexual Energy(The White Schools in a positive way; and the Black Schools in the negative way such as Hitler, Dugpas, A. Crowley, etc.).

It's being clockwise, or counter-clockwise also depends on whether you're standing facing it, or standing with your back toward it. It can become tedious trying to understand it as positive or negative in this fashion. Just consider for a moment, the red-shield or Tetrgrammeton on Rothschild's emblem.

I agree with your take - the reversal represents 'mis-use' itself.




[edit on 3-9-2006 by Cinosamitna]

Here is wisdom.....the Bible insnt what any of the major denominations think it is. It has become a way to control the minds and social processes of Christianity for the sake of money and power and the modern dasy perseption of what information the Book contains is so far from the actual truth that when people hear the Truth they think it to be insanity.

the word apple is not in the Bible.....the word is fruit.....have you heard of fruit of the loins?

satan is a physically beautiful angel who persuded Eve that she should do something very wrong but it wasnt eating an apple.

angels dont have wings.

angels come to earth in flying metal vehicles.....this is documented time and time again throughout the Bible.



the Shepherd's Chapel in Gravette Arkansas has the proper take on things but it means having the courage to get through all the fear propaganda out there that surriunds the church as to false accusations of racism.

theseason.org is a good place to ask questions.

I would say the Masonic Path leads to Rome. I only went throught the First 3 degrees and my mark degree in the blue lodge as we call it in Scotland and have thought about joining the Royal Arch.

I wouldn't go any further in Freemasonry than this, as i have been told by members of the lodge that the further you go the more Catholic it becomes.

My Dad is in the Blues, Arch, Perceptory, Conclave yeah thats right Conclave draw your own conclusions, Knights Of Malta, Cryptic council and Ark Mariners and i just wouldnt join any of these orders. The fellow Masons on here will know what im talking about! Even the costumes for one of the orders i found in his cupboard made me feel sick.

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Just passing bye, but I have always imagined that "Satan" is God's original, and first, prodigal Son. Angels being God's first sentient beings, and... well, you know the rest.

Originally posted by Wademus
There is a lot the vatican hides and there is evidence supporting the ever popular da vinci code.

You have presented no conspiracy.
You have presented no information.

What exactly does the vatican hide?

What exactly is the evidence that says that FICTIONAL DaVinci code is real?

How can you say that the 'gospel of Judas' is real when the four biblical gospels can't even be proven as fact??

Dude, I think the original poster (who seems to be long gone) just had a kind of brain fart which everyone subsequently ignored...

Every couple of months someone posts randomly on the forum about how they have specialist, secret knowledge of a certain group or topic or whatever and then tell us about all the stuff they know and then disappear.

It's all good fun.

Again ill break it down further into what i believe.

That God is the Galactic Center where a black hole is located, a judge of all so to speak, and lucifer/satan/lightbringer a sound and light resonator for planets to radiate the light into heat energy mixing it with Christ or rather..Energy.
This energy flow gives us anomoulous effects which i believe dormant parts of our brains electron flow pick up on for prophecy, dreams etc.. Energy also that we need to build personal Arks using our currently understood knowledge electrogravitic and super static plasma (or something) propulsion units to save ourselves both idiologicly as far as freedom and culturaly as far as realistic survival in space for a given time, from any impending doom if we had the time to get in and escape say an asteroid impact or something. I believe that the craft we awe at as UFOs will one day be our modern car thanks to reality setting in beyond greed over time. And space travel will be just as awe inspiring as it is today. Just a little dizzying at first id think to the modern street walker/car driver.

[edit on 3-3-2009 by mastermind77]

[edit on 3-3-2009 by mastermind77]

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"Dude, I think the original poster (who seems to be long gone) just had a kind of brain fart which everyone subsequently ignored..." I am contemplating taking this quote from you for my tag line :-) it is soooo apropo

1 billion catholics on earth.....a catholic school, hospital, church and social services office in every town from the southern tip of south america to the most northern regions of canada.
total control by numbers of south america central america mexico and all of north america.....plus all those people across europe.

control of the news media and legal systems, involvment in the civil war.....the nazis regime.....hitler was in it with musolini.....who was head of what country? italy.....and is the vatican in italy?

notice italys involvment in ww2 is almost never brought up.....only hitler is made to look like a psychopath.....italys involvment is kepy quiet.

so you have this huge church.....which has really just turned into one enormously grotesque political system.....with one billion members.....VS.....a few nutballs in scattered little offices claiming to be the iluminati or the masons or whoever the hell else anyone can dream up.

there is a shadow govt amoung us.....and we need only look at the vastness of the catholic political system to see it.

all the acumulation of knowledge in the world cannot argue against the fact that catholicism controls america.

ever wonder why america cant seem to stop mexican illegal immigration?
have you considered that mexico is hugely catholic.....and when i say hugely i mean almost totally.....in comparison to any other form of worship.
america lacks the will to stop this because catholicism lacks the will to stop it.

dont listen to all these welfare cases on these boards who have accumulated more knowledge than that idiot who used to be the mailman guy on the tv show cheers.

just look around you and youll see who controls the world from behind the scenes.....you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Originally posted by Wademus
Theres alot of people looking into this stuff right now so heres my tidbits.
I was raised as a catholic, but had a protestant father and atheist relatives. I know religious fanatics on all sides, and unreligious fanatics on all sides. This past has led me to be what i call spiritual, not necessarily religious.

There is a lot the vatican hides and there is evidence supporting the ever popular da vinci code.
The gospel according to judas is probably legitimate.
And what we know is 75% bull#

You must realize that no matter what denomination you're under you are essentially part of the catholic church. The catholic church did in sense rule the world for several hundred years.

The protestant bible is simply an outdated catholic bible thats missing a few books
Moses parted the reed sea ot the red sea, and the reed sea parting can be scientifically explained. Seizures were originally thought to be possessions. And so forth what im geting at is that science gradually replaces religion.

I lore there is only supposed to be 2 popes after John Paul II
So since we now have Benedict the XVI we're down to 1
and benedict is old.

Satan is second only to God. And it is my belief that the universe was created as a constant, but satan changed it to a variable. Neither is smarter than the other. Hell can win, or else it wouldnt be a constant struggle.

Slowly the church is turning to a more 'liberal' view but still is very archaic.
Jesus had a brother: "james"

Well all this is all probably old news so ill stop

but ive probably got quite a bit more background than most

so im just throwin myself out there

The Da Vinci code is a novel, fiction,a nd the author has even said so. No accurate historical support for any of it. Judas was a traitor, and any "gospel" with his name on it is not legitimate. There were many such things cropping up after the time of Christ, by people with their own motives, and experts in such matters have determined them to be false. No, I am not part of the Catholic Church. That they were in charge of things for a long time is utterly irrelevant to today. The KJV Bible is the most accurate, based on the original texts. That the CC uses much of it, adding to it, doesn't make the KJV Catholic, by any stretch of the imagination. That "Reed Sea" thing is nonsense, and has no real historical basis. Looked at the data from both sides, and those people are wrong. That people might have called a seizure a possession does not mean that there are no real possessions. Bad logic there. No one knows how many Popes there will be. I know the arguments you base that on, but they are supposition and guesses, nothing more. Satan is a created being, no better than any other, and not some close second to God (though Satan would love you to think that was true). Satan cannot affect creation any more than anyone else. He isn't as smart as God, either. Not even close. That people accept liberal views that disagree with the Word of God was written about long ago, and that doesn't make those people right.

Old news, old rebutted theories, and bad spelling. Guess that wasn't part of your background?