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N. Korea seriously believes they can beat the US.

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posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by Spiderj
I understand that they really know martial arts but I also understand that martial arts are limited. You can surround kim with all the well trained body guards you want but they can only do so much against equally well trained troupes.

I mean really you can put every black belt in the world on the front line, but a mortar is a mortar and a tank is a tank...high kicking aint going to help.


Everyone knows it doesn't mean anything against mortars and tanks. However, my point was its not propaganda. I was arguing that point. You need to stick to the point I was arguing. Otherwise, no comment.



But if you want me to put money on a western coalition versus the North Korean army...i'm biased but I'm going with us.


Of course the Combined Forces would defeat the North. I never said they wouldn't.



What about the families and extended families of army members are they looked after? And what could we possibly do to subvert a starving population and turn them against their own government, because lord knows civilians have never been used to fight and help win a war.

When the starving outnumber the well fed it creates lots and lots of problems in war.


Very true. However, it goes both ways. While it may cause problems for the North Korean government, imagine the humanitarian crisis sure to follow after the war, even if the Combined Forces win. As we've seen in the past, large-scale humanitarian crises tend to turn into disaster just because they are simply far too much to handle.

It seems inhumane, but we should not even consider trying to turn the population against the government unless we are fully prepared to handle the humanitarian crisis that is sure to follow.



Propaganda comes from both ends.


Good call, Socrates.



Is it the fact that I think the north korean population army/civilian...all of them are completely unprepared to face a modern war against the western world...or is it the fact that I'm an american you have a problem with...or both, just curious.


Simmer down, neither really.




posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 04:55 PM
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Everyone knows it doesn't mean anything against mortars and tanks. However, my point was its not propaganda. I was arguing that point. You need to stick to the point I was arguing. Otherwise, no comment.


But I was and it is propaganda...look how well trained my guards are...fear them. Obvious but ignore the first two definitions:

Propaganda
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A congregation of cardinals, established in 1622, charged with the management of missions.
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The college of the Propaganda, instituted by Urban VIII. (1623-1644) to educate priests for missions in all parts of the world.
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Hence, any organization or plan for spreading a particular doctrine or a system of principles.



It seems inhumane, but we should not even consider trying to turn the population against the government unless we are fully prepared to handle the humanitarian crisis that is sure to follow


My point was they wont need a lot of motivation ala the french underground ww2 and the dutch resistence.



Good call, Socrates.


Ah sarcasm, my favorite.




Simmer down, neither really.


I always forget to use my emoticons but I was strictly curious I don't take anything said on this board too seriously, hard to get upset with people you've never met.
see I'm not
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I really was just trying to get where you were coming from as you seemed to take my post sort of personally.



While it may cause problems for the North Korean government, imagine the humanitarian crisis sure to follow after the war, even if the Combined Forces win. As we've seen in the past, large-scale humanitarian crises tend to turn into disaster just because they are simply far too much to handle.


Unfortunately I agree with you, but fallout is whole other topic.
Spiderj



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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Will someone send Lil Kim some more Cheetos and some fresh porn. We won't here from him again for months.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 04:57 PM
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Can we see salvation for North Korea any time soon? Maybe, but for now, we are technically still at war with North Korea, there was never a peace treaty brought up, only a cease fire, NK knows that, as soon as the first shot is fired, here comes the B-2's and F-22's.

North Korean airpower does NOT stand a chance, not in this life time, not in the next. Do they have a adequate navy to begin with? I don't forsee an Amphibious invasion on the North Korean part very viable.

They would get mopped.

Like I've said before, and I've said this for the chinese as well, it doesn't matter the numbers they have, it matters if they can get their troops to the frontlines and adequately supply them. In 96 hours the entire Air Force in the United States inventory can be fully mobilized. 1 week for all the transport planes to have active supply lines running.

Wars are no longer fought the way they were 1000 years ago, technology changes, so has war. Dramatically. But at some point, war will resort to the basics, hand to hand combat, they should hope some of those elite guardsmen can make it to that end, god willing they won't.

Shattered OUT...



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 05:04 PM
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I normally dont post but this is just to funny. When was the last time anybody saw a fight that looked like that (other then tv)...never cause fights dont happen like that, never did never will, that was just some bad dancing. I would bet everything i own that if you put one of those guys from the video against anybody from pride or the ufc or anybody who actually knows how to fight the NK would get crushed.

I'm talking hand to hand without weapons.



later



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 06:02 PM
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Spiderj mentioned US media is the great satan. Could you expand on that. Like showing me the demons and the cool pitchforks. Or are you just forming a hatred opinion.

Either way it is cool I'm in hell then watching the great satan right now.


The US/South Korean war plan if North Korea attacks is here.

Plan 5027


Well, I need to get back to my great satan television.

How come only the US gets to be the great satan? I bet North Korea would like to be watching the great satan's evil tv like tv shows like Seinfeld, Wheel of Fortune and American Idol........Ok American Idol might be a great satan creation.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 06:30 PM
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Please read the posts carefully I did not say that america was the great satan, it was sweetmonicaido that used the term "the great satan known as the U.S. mass media at term."

I'm an american, I was defending satan.

Spiderj



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 07:16 PM
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fights never happen like that around here because noone around here is trained like that. Anyone who is trained like that almost never instigates a fight, and if is instigated like that the agressor is typically disabled quikcly due to his/her lack of training.

I do not put it passed any of those men AND women to have the physical abilities they have.

Sadly I agree North Korea just unfortunately would not survive any kind of war with America. The only reason we have not used precision air strikes to destroy their infrastructure is because of their nukes. I think if we had enough planes in the sky though they can just wait and see where the nukes are launching from and disable them before it gets into the upper atmosphere. In fact, I BET WE COULD!

Come on South lets just get it over with why don't we?



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 07:30 PM
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OK I,m about to upset a whole stack of people here..

As a martial artist AND a guy who admits my own black belt teaching girlfriend could kisk the living poopoo out of me in a real fight

BTW she teaches black belt Brazilian Ju Jitsu...Gracie style..

I can GUARANTEE that These guys in a hand to hand combat fight would WIPE the floor with any of your American special forces....

I,m sorry to say that because this would never happen as the typical stratedgy is to bomb from afar..

Shame coz i love a good martiial art fight scene...

Enter the dragon Nunchaka scene is my all time favourite



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 07:35 PM
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Sorry about that Spider.

Missed some parts.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 07:56 PM
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yep no problemo sbob it happens.


SPiderj



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
fights never happen like that around here because noone around here is trained like that. Anyone who is trained like that almost never instigates a fight, and if is instigated like that the agressor is typically disabled quikcly due to his/her lack of training.

I do not put it passed any of those men AND women to have the physical abilities they have.



Come on bro , do you actually belive what you just typed. I dont know how old you are but if you remember the early UFC fights when it was style vs. style.
grappling styles always won...why do you think that is, because if you take it to the ground your not gonna be able to pull off all those fancy kicks also alot of U.S. armed forces who get trained in bjj. www.gracieacademy.com...


I'm mot saying that N.K. dosn't but it's not showed in the video. i'm also not saying that the U.S gets extensive training but because i train bjj i would say any basic training in bjj would win the fight against anybody i saw in the video'if you dont belive me do a google search on bjj vs.style and see for your self.


Now hammering a nail with your head is pretty impressive but it's not going to win you the fight.
just my $.02



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 09:09 PM
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Sorry guys i guess i quoted wrong.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 11:15 PM
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i dont even need to watch the video but i, i can asure ur n.korea does have the capabilities to substain a good war for a a couple months. we did many simulations that show. if all the troops in south korea tried to get to the DMV s.korea could pull up vehicles that sould shoot off 32 rockets each an reload an fire again in less than 2 minutes.

plus the main fear is nukes, they have them we all should know it by now. what do they have to lose all theve got is rice patties they dont care if we drop bombs for a night or 2
thell fire there nukes



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
North Korean airpower does NOT stand a chance, not in this life time, not in the next. Do they have a adequate navy to begin with? I don't forsee an Amphibious invasion on the North Korean part very viable.

They would get mopped.


The KPAAF could cause some damage, but their fate is sealed. They will be annihilated.

Their Navy is an unknown. There are various theories as to their effectiveness and an amphibious invasion is largely unnecessary.



Like I've said before, and I've said this for the chinese as well, it doesn't matter the numbers they have, it matters if they can get their troops to the frontlines and adequately supply them. In 96 hours the entire Air Force in the United States inventory can be fully mobilized. 1 week for all the transport planes to have active supply lines running.


Unfortunately, countries other than America aren't so stupid as to give a head start to their enemies. If the U.S. Air Force can be mobilized in 96 hours, guess what. Too late. By then the KPA artillery will have indeed turned Seoul into the center of Hell. Even before the first day ends North Korea will be wreaking havoc on the South.

You also forget that North Korea's military forces are pretty much all deployed in the forward positions, so there is no deployment necessary, and all their supplies are deployed along with them in their standing positions. Therefore, your point doesn't become relevant until the later stages of the war.



Wars are no longer fought the way they were 1000 years ago, technology changes, so has war. Dramatically. But at some point, war will resort to the basics, hand to hand combat, they should hope some of those elite guardsmen can make it to that end, god willing they won't.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but could you specify what those changes are? I'm always a bit stumped when people say "the nature of warfare has changed dramatically." We often say that, yet time and again, the very same exact principles always seem to rear their ugly heads. Technology has also made warfare a lot simpler, but only when used as a force, not a force-support or a force-multiplier. Not to mention North Korea doesn't fight like it might have 1,000 years ago, no matter how obsolete their military is.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Come on South lets just get it over with why don't we?


Because that would just be a very bad idea. The North Korean and South Korean people would all suffer unbearably in the aftermath. It would be a humanitarian disaster of galactic proportions.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 11:42 PM
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Many are quick to jump to the American superiority in the military, but lets not forget that military might is not what win wars.

Is the American public READY to fight off one of the largest Army's in the world in another continent RIGHT after the Iraq war? The American public is sick and tired of wars in distant places, everyone knows this. No matter how superior the American military is, public opinion and will dominates any war.

Lets not forget the Vietnam war. Remember that? Sure, the US had a military far beyond the capabilities of that of N Vietnam, but did that stop the North from reuniting with the South? Obviously... no.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by k4rupt
Many are quick to jump to the American superiority in the military, but lets not forget that military might is not what win wars.

Is the American public READY to fight off one of the largest Army's in the world in another continent RIGHT after the Iraq war? The American public is sick and tired of wars in distant places, everyone knows this. No matter how superior the American military is, public opinion and will dominates any war.

Lets not forget the Vietnam war. Remember that? Sure, the US had a military far beyond the capabilities of that of N Vietnam, but did that stop the North from reuniting with the South? Obviously... no.


I will agree that public opinion will keep the U.S. from starting a war with North Korea.

In regards to Vietnam, however, I will say that in Vietnam, the U.S. was at somewhat of a disadvantage. Because it was the Cold War, the U.S. had to be careful how far it went to take North Vietnam, which is the reason why the U.S. also never really declared a full state of war against North Vietnam.

If we fight North Korea, however, you can bet the gloves come off. No ROEs, no nothing.

At the same time, we have to remember that the U.S. may have similar predicament as Vietnam: China.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 12:33 AM
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Im just posting quickly and not reading if someone mentioned this already so here goes.

I remember that a year or so ago some pentagon analysts decided that whether or not nukes were used, the US would lose any war with N.Korea. It was pretty suprising that our own analysts think this, so I still remember it. The news story was short and didnt mention if the analysis included possible aid from China, but I doubt China would help N.Korea anyways. The reason we would lose a war is the same reason we cant stop terrorists from controlling whole towns in Bagdad. We dont surround the city, give a warning for innocents to get out, then drop MOAB's for 12 hours.



posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 01:11 AM
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an to the people who are saying crap like wars arnt fought like they were 1000 years ago....thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard

plus do you know what the north koreans are...there ASIAN, there not afraid to die for the country. americans get jump an gungho when one person get taken hostage u take a north korean hostage garenteed hes try to kill as many of u before u kill him. those guys wont go dont with a fight... they got honor to protect



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