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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
I wanted to discuss the glaring hypocrisy in mainstream science concerning topics like UFOs and other paranormal subjects.
The Scientific establishment literally scoffs at the idea of serious study into subjects like UFOs, ESP etc.
They simple say they need "concrete evidence" to validate serious study of the subject by mainstream science. A piece of a UFO, a Alien body, a clear alien transmission etc..
But when you look at mainstream science its full of subjects that are not held too such high requirements in fact lots of subjects have much less evidence to back them up.
There are scientist all over the world that have been searching in the depths of mines for purely hypothetical particles called " neutralinos" thought to make up Dark matter.
Its the same with dark energy we have no concrete evidence for its existence, We cant see it, we cant define it and we surely don't understand it. But in theory we can only infer its existence because our current models of the universe don't work without it.
UFOs have mountains of evidence when compared to some of these legitimate scientific fields.
Compare that to the "Omega minus particle" out of 200,000 experiments only 2 events took place that suggested it was real and that was all it took for it to become accepted physics.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
I wanted to discuss the glaring hypocrisy in mainstream science concerning topics like UFOs and other paranormal subjects.
Originally posted by Aelita
Let me start with disagreeing with your use of the word "hypocrisy" hear. It smack of some kind of moral judgement and I don't think is appropriate in the realm of this topic, which is relationship of science and "paranormal".
Originally posted by Yarium
Oh there seriously is hypocrisy! This is because many scientists hold their "Theoretical Science" beliefs
Originally posted by Yarium
Oh there seriously is hypocrisy! This is because many scientists hold their "Theoretical Science" beliefs in almost the same vigour and stubborness as religious conservatives!
Originally posted by Yarium
Now, things such as ESP still don't have such factual evidence.
Originally posted by Yarium
Nothing that can be proven to work every time the experiment is performed (or the performance is too wildly variable to base any concrete conclusion on).
Originally posted by Yarium
As such, the Scientific Community tends to dismiss the pseudo-science that tends to be investigated, and tries to perform what currently seems like very laughable tests. Eventually, however, those primary, abliet simplistic, tests will pave the way for more advanced studies.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
The Scientific establishment literally scoffs at the idea of serious study into subjects like UFOs, ESP etc
There are scientist all over the world that have been searching in the depths of mines for purely hypothetical particles called " neutralinos" thought to make up Dark matter.
Consider string theory which is another respectable field of scientific research. Strings would be so small (if a atom was the size of our solar system a string would be the size of a tree) we would never be able to detect them and thus can never prove or disprove their existence.
UFOs have mountains of evidence when compared to some of these legitimate scientific fields.
Other topics like ESP and psychic transfer experiments have gone through numerous successful trials that indicate something is happening well beyond what the odds of chance should allow.
Yet it is not accepted into science no matter how many successful trials take place .
They make and study extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence they require for topics like UFOs.
Originally posted by Aelita
Let me start with disagreeing with your use of the word "hypocrisy" here. It smacks of some kind of moral judgement and I don't think is appropriate in the realm of this topic, which is relationship of science and "paranormal".
Originally posted by Aelita
The key difference here is that Dark Matter does exist, and observations of such, through the study of motions of large systems such as galaxies, are reproducible by separate scientific groups and in general consistent.
Before neutralino, people had a theory about neutrino. You, perhaps, would have argued that it's all bull, bu lo and behold, despite considerable difficulty in detecting neutrinos, they have been not only discovered, but studied extensively. Science is not for those looking for quick gratification of curiosity or simple answers.
Like I said, if you google or wiki it, you'll find how it can be "indirectly" observed. You see, same applies for detecting double stars where one of the objects is not observable in visible spectrum. Detection of celestial bodies through observation of others, effected by gravitaional pull of that body, is a very old and valid technique.
I mean, if you continue your simplistic (imho) line of thought, you'll tell me that quarks do not exist. Maybe they don't but sure the quark theory has a hell of predictive power.
Originally posted by Nygdan
They make and study extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence they require for topics like UFOs.
The claims are based upon the evidence.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Dark energy and Dark matter is not like indirectly observing a black hole or double star. In those case the matter cleary exist we dont need any unproven extoic matter to explain these actions.
With dark matter we are only observing the effect of extra gravity on galaxies we can not yet account for.
Originally posted by Aelita
According to you, a real progressive scientist (not a hypocrit, of course) could claim that under certain conditions the laws of gravity change which causes the stars to wobble! And you would salute such a daring mind. This is what you are doing in the subject of Dark Matter.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Originally posted by Nygdan
They make and study extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence they require for topics like UFOs.
The claims are based upon the evidence.
Ah but Im talking concrete evidence which they demand for subjects like UFOs
With UFOs and ESP we have evidence (not concrete) and loads of theories but thats not enough.
Originally posted by Nygdan
People don't investigate UFO claims for two reasons.
There's no evidence to support their existense, there are anecdotes and dodgy photos.
Originally posted by Nygdan
This is different from neutrinos or dark matter or string theory, which, while they have only a smattering of physical evidence to support their existence, are in agreement with scientific models of how the world operates.