I know most of the members here are well aware of how hoaxers work, and how to recognize a hoax. Most members are brilliant and pick up on a hoax in
no time. But if you take a quick look at a couple of hoax threads you'll see that in most cases there is a handful of people that do believe a hoax
without actually thinking about it. It may be because they're new to "this business" or that they were not sober at that time. Maybe this thread
would've given them some idea what to look for. Maybe this thread is completely useless to anyone but myself.
Yes I-Ape, I too pondered whether I should "reveal" the mistakes hoaxers make... It's like saying "Hey guys, here's what you've been doing
wrong. Please do a better job." But in the end hoaxers won't read this thread. This thread will be long gone and forgotten by the time the next hoax
And you are quite right. Facts (small details) are a sure sign of truth - or not.
Originally posted by Odium
Surely this post does more harm than good?
We'll never know that for sure, will we?
Originally posted by Odium
So next time someone joins, claims something, begins to give evidence we should say: "No, you're a hoax" and ignore what they say because we can
fit them into this stereotype?
I honestly thought ATS had moved passed the ignorance of stereotyping and this is nothing more than that.
I tried my very best to point out that this is not a witch-hunt. Really! I even used the words "and this is important" to underline that we should
not immediately label a person as a hoaxer because he shows (some of) these traits. I was going to suggest that you didn't read my post properly, but
then noticed that you have been a member here 4 months longer than I have, and that you have more than 3,000 posts more than me, so you must
definitely know all about reading. Now that must surely mean that I am at fault here. I didn't make myself clear enough. Maybe I could have written
that paragraph in bold. Whichever the case. I take full responsibility for my mistake and not for making my intentions clear. Please forgive me.
Originally posted by Odium
It is about time we bother to evaluate things on what is said, not who says them, not when they join us or any other pointless peace of information.
Next time there is a real issue, let's hope that it comes from someone who has been here a long time.
So is it a real issue or not? What you're saying is that you would have taken this thread in a different light if say Skeptic, Simon or Springer
posted it? Or one of the Mods? What if it was posted by someone who has been here for 4 years? Would you have taken it more serious? Please define
long. So that I wait that "long" before I post anything again. I didn't realize that a person can only post about "a real issue" if you've been
here for x amount of time. You said something about stereotyping and evaluating on what is said and not who says them? Was that double standards?
of information. Yes it may be to most people here. But if you'll allow me to explain myself:
I'm here at ATS to learn. Not to share any special information or secrets I may or may not have. Not to conspire against any government. To learn. I
learn from my own experiences as well as from my fellow members. And I think about everything I read here. I could ponder a theory for days or even
weeks. (There are some brilliant minds here!) I love writing - as you can surely see - and I think best when I write. So, the other day I was thinking
about hoaxers and what defines a hoaxer for me, and I wrote it down. So I decided to share my thoughts - what's the point of writing something that
no one will ever read? (Would you like me to list all the threads I started that didn't even get a single reply?) And the result is this thread. The
sole purpose of this thread was to out my ideas. It was not to teach my fellow members how to stereotype. It was to teach and remind myself how to
recognize something that could possibly be a hoax. But why post it then?
a. Maybe I had the opportunity to teach one person out of thousands something? Then this was worth it.
b. I get to learn from the responses. Like the response from Ignorant Ape. That reminded me that when I look at a case I rarely look at the really
small detail, like how far apart two places may be. I tend to look at the big picture and the main issues. Thus I did learn something.
I also learned something from your reply. Respect? Yes I was reminded that I cannot respect someone that doesn't respect me. How can I take your
posts seriously if you can't take mine seriously? Luckily I can honestly say that I take each and every post for its own value, and not for who
So will this thread get hundreds of replies? No. It will be long forgotten by next week. So what did I get out of it? One applause. (Thank you
D.T.O.M.) And silent friendship and support. Now I don't know Ignorant Ape on a personal level. We've never spoken via U2U (as far as I can
remember). But I'm familiar with his posts, and I love them. Ape and I think on the same level in many ways (Great minds or what, Ape?
). I cannot
tell you what it means to me to see someone else stand up for my convictions in my absence. Now there's something that makes the criticism worth
Am I being a drama queen? For sure! I'm probably the biggest drama queen on this board. Why? Because I stand by my convictions. I don't post 50
posts a day, but when I do post and someone criticize it, then I must face my critics. I do my very best to post only quality posts. If my quality is
not good enough for you, then maybe I should pick it up another level, or what am I saying Odium?