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The Palestinian terrorists killed those people on beach, cover-up and propaganda

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posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 08:04 AM
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I read this yesterday but passed on it as only Debka was reporting, it’s now on CNN as well.

What other atrocities have they committed that they have blamed on the Israelis? Who knows with a doctrine of lies, deceit, cover-ups and murder anything is possible.

Palestinians Murder Family



JERUSALEM (CNN) -- An explosion on a Gaza beach that killed seven people last week was caused by explosives planted there by Palestinian militants, not artillery fire from an Israeli navy gunboat, Israeli military sources said.

The Israeli investigation concluded that the possibility any of the six artillery shells fired from the gunboat last Friday could have landed on the beach was "almost nil," the sources said.

The deaths of seven people -- all members of a Palestinian family having a beach picnic -- prompted the military wing of Hamas to resume rocket strikes against Israel after a hiatus of more than a year.


And Debka reports:



Until now, we exercised military restraint because of the international storm over the Palestinian family, seven of whose members were killed, on the Gaza beach on Friday [June 9, 2006]. That is behind us now, he said Tuesday.

Peretz hinted that an IDF inquiry into the incident would prove the casualties were probably caused by a Hamas landmine that was planted on the beach to be used against Israeli forces, and not an IDF artillery shell.

Earlier Tuesday, the Israel Air Force fired two missiles at a van carrying an Islamic Jihad rocket-launching squad in Gaza, killing nine people, including two of the terrorists and two children, and wounding 30. New long-range Grad missiles in the van exploded.



The Palestinians are clearly capable of using their own blunders and mistakes as tools of propaganda against the Israeli’s. What’s real and what’s not? The only fact here is that the Palestinians have no regard for human life, even their own




posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 08:20 AM
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WOW you must hate these guy's eh dude?


If not mistaken heard on the NEWS yesterday that the Isrial military sent a RARE "appology" for this....and here you are "claiming" they did to themselves.


Guess y'r a one sided on this and all the matters in this part of the world.

Y'r Canadian friend,
Sven



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 08:39 AM
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This appears in many places.

According to the findings, shrapnel taken from two wounded Palestinians who were evacuated to Israeli hospitals showed that the explosives were not made in Israel, the officials said. In addition, the last Israeli shell fired toward Palestinian rocket launchers who operate in the area was at 4:51 p.m., seven minutes before the blast, and landed 250 meters (yards) away from the scene, the officials said.
Associated Press


Odd how the British, Americans, and Israelis are the ones always suspected of false flag events; but when Palestinians, Iraqi insurgents or Afghan insurgents make a "claim" against one or all of the three, showing a negative light, it is presumed instantaneously as a fact.

mg



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 08:50 AM
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Anyone was expecting honesty and integrity from the PA/Hamas?
PA TV falsifies video of Gaza deaths

From: Palestinian Media Watch

This is not the first time nor will it be the last time this has been and will be done by the PA/Hamas.



seekerof



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 10:39 AM
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Yes, you would expect an Isreali investigation to reach that conclusion. Others aren't so sure...



But Palestinian leaders described the army's conclusions as a cover-up and a former Pentagon analyst, sent by a US human rights group to investigate the deaths, said the military has ignored evidence that leaves little doubt the family was killed by a stray Israeli shell that Israel admits is unaccounted for.
Guardian

The pointless struggle for the unattainable moral high ground continues.



The only fact here is that the Palestinians have no regard for human life, even their own


But not in this thread apparently.



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by svenglezz
WOW you must hate these guy's eh dude?


If not mistaken heard on the NEWS yesterday that the Isrial military sent a RARE "appology" for this....and here you are "claiming" they did to themselves.


Guess y'r a one sided on this and all the matters in this part of the world.

Y'r Canadian friend,
Sven



Just read several of your posts. You are calling someone "one sided" on issues from the middle east?????? Keep it up and your picture could end up in the dictionary right next to the word "hypocrisy".

BTW, what would you be saying right now if the situation on the explosion were reversed with the PA being initially blamed until an investigation (by the PA) turned up evidence that the explosives came from Israel? Would you say, no it can't be true because what else would the PA say in this situation? Your answer to this question will demonstrate your objectivity - which is now under scrutiny due to your attack on another poster.

[edit on 6/13/2006 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 01:02 PM
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Not quite as straightforward as you'd have us believe.

So CNN backs the Israeli calims? well a proper unbiased news organisation gives a balance of views:





Beach deaths 'not Israel's fault'


Israel is not responsible for the deaths of seven Palestinians enjoying a picnic on a Gaza beach last Friday, Defence Minister Amir Peretz says.
Mr Peretz was making public the findings of an inquiry into the attack initially blamed on Israeli troops.

The internal probe is based on TV film of the aftermath and shrapnel taken from injured being treated in Israel.

A report by US-based group Human Rights Watch says the deaths were likely to have been caused by Israeli shelling.

An expert working for the group said the Palestinians' injuries were not consistent with an explosion taking place beneath them - such as that caused by a mine.

"All of the evidence is pointing to a 155mm shell as having killed and injured the Palestinians here on the beach," Mark Garlasco said.



news.bbc.co.uk...

Whether we'll ever know for certain isn't clear but it does seem coincidental Isreal shells the beach with 250m of this family and then they all die. Or did Hamas manage to set up and explode a 'false flag' charge within 8 minutes?

Given Israel's record for killing Palestinians / camera crews / peace activists and not giving a stuff about the consequences it seems likely this is the latest IDF 'victory' over the innocent



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Anyone was expecting honesty and integrity from the PA/Hamas?
PA TV falsifies video of Gaza deaths

From: Palestinian Media Watch


That Palestinian Media Watch smacks of CAMERA..its definitly not a Palestinian organization running that show.

From Skippy's own article on CNN which he conveniently left out of the first couple of paragraphs.


However, in Gaza, the group Human Rights Watch said the evidence it has been able to gather suggests that a 155 mm artillery shell, like the type used by the Israeli military, was responsible




Further Down the article it also says



But Human Rights Watch said its investigation of the incident came up with opposite conclusions in almost every case.

The group said most of the injuries to the dead were to the head and torso. A Human Rights Watch spokesman said that would be consistent with an incoming shell, not a bomb buried in the ground.

Human Rights Watch also said the crater was consistent with a 155 mm artillery shell.


In other words the Israeli doctors are lying...Obviously since there is so much negative outcry over this they are backstepping now. Cowards



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 03:42 PM
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Poor old Israel must have known its report would have been treated with such scepticism. Which leads me to wonder why doesn't this intelligent nation have a public independent inquiry? That way they could really humiliate those bad old Palestinians (who like nearly all Arabs are trespassing on Israel land).

If Palestinians did do this they must be pretty thick. Because a blind man could see that such a heavily publicized event would be chemically tested.
On the other hand if Israel wanted to do this both to kick start violence against their own people in order justify their military spending (you have got to admit with the way Israel is cutting of all funding to currently non violent Hamas is kind of asking for Israeli people to murdered to die to justify their military expenditure).

Once more if Israel wanted to do this it would be possible for them to do it in such a way where it looked like the Palestinians had done it (they are hardly short of labs, experts and other facilities). This would give them the moral high ground over any violence they had started by provoking Hamas any further.
I'm sorry to say this but if you’re an Israeli I think "your" government is looking to cause some trouble which result in spilling some of your blood. Rest assured it will always be sanctioned and military occupation impoverished Palestinians who come of worse though.

That said if the Palestinians did do this, and if the Israelis still aren’t going to have open public investigation in which they can prove this most serious allegation then it’s they who are being stupid. So ether way someone Palestinian or Israeli is being thick. One allegation I take for granted is that the Israeli government is looking to cause some trouble (and that always means some death to their own people). But this is due to the wider context of Palestinian-Israeli affairs. Cutting of tax revenue against Hamas before its looking to do anything violent was and is a big mistake.
But if any of the 9/11 conspiracies have a shred of truth then perhaps it’s not the first time that this sort of thing has happened?



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 05:17 PM
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I would say it is possible it was not an artillery shell, but an independent military expert from Human Rights Watch said it was caused by an Israeli shell.

yahoo story
That story doesn't mean he is right.


My opinion leans toward it was an Israeli shell. And it bums me out innocent people on both sides are dying.


bih

posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 10:47 PM
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they said that it wasnt caused by mine as Israelis said,its funny how Israel kills innocent people and gets away with it.and when someone blows himself in Israel and kills a Jew they would kill all the palestinians then


Mod Edit: Big Quote – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 13/6/2006 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 11:00 PM
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Alright, my take on this? One of two situations:

1) IED. The iraqis have been using old Soviet artillery shells as IEDs or packing them into carbombs for awhile now.

2) Old Shell. Hey, there have been three wars in sixty years of the Israeli nation, plus the whole Palestinian issue. It could have been there sixty years as far as anyone's concerned. Someone kicks it, and boom! Quick, blame Israel!

DE



posted on Jun, 13 2006 @ 11:32 PM
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Did any Israelies visit the site, or see the victims?

Human Rights watch did.

Look what they found.


Human Rights Watch researchers currently in Gaza interviewed victims, witnesses, Palestinian security officers and doctors who treated the wounded after the incident. They also visited the site of the explosion, where they found a large piece of unoxidized jagged shrapnel, stamped “155mm,” which would be consistent with an artillery shell fired by the IDF’s M-109 Self-Propelled Artillery.

Human Rights Watch spoke to the Palestinian explosive ordnance disposal unit who investigated three craters on the beach, including the one where the civilians were killed. According to General Salah Abu `Azzo, head of the Palestinian unit, they also gathered and removed shrapnel fragments consistent with 155mm artillery shells.

Human Rights Watch


Someone is lying, and Human Rights Watch is not know for that.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 03:09 AM
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Ok Reports of IDF and HMR are talking about different weaponsystems being used

HMR says it was 155mm M-109 SP-Artillery Shell (Army tracked artillery, made in USA)

IDF says it wasn't Naval artillery shell...

I'm leaning towards the fact it was a M-109 Shell, either UXO or deliberate framing by Hamas co.

I don't believe it was an Israeli attack, since thei have nothing to gain by one and HMR report clearly says it wasn't Israeli Naval gunfire



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 03:22 AM
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Maybe they got a hold of an Israeli SHELL?
just because its israeli, doesnt mean it had to be FIRED from the israeli Ship...
i know israel are known for killing innocent people,

but shooting a family whiel they lay on the beach.. c'mon

they KNOW how much international condemnation that would cause.
They have NOTHING to gain from shooting a FAMiLY no the beach.
If it was someone important yeah maybe ..
but being it was an innocent family why would they risk such an event.

NOW HAMAS Staging the attack to look like israeli, that atleast has SOME plausability to it .



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:30 AM
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Ofcourse the IED investigation will blame the "Palestinain Terrorists" - such as Good Skippy did.


Artillery Strike Probably Killed Palestinian Family

The independent investigation should involve the use of external, international experts. Human Rights Watch called on the Palestinian Authority to permit such an investigation, including allowing access to the site by the investigative team. Israel has carried out an internal army probe into the incident and released its findings this evening, saying the explosion was not caused by an Israeli artillery shell. However, such internal investigations by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have generally fallen short of international standards for thorough and impartial investigations and have rarely uncovered the truth or held to account the perpetrators of violations, as documented in a 2005 Human Rights Watch report, Promoting Impunity: The Israeli Military’s Failure to Investigate Wrongdoing.


Eyewitness Accounts

According to witnesses, the Ghalya family went to the beach on June 9 for a family outing. After shells fell nearby, the father, `Ali, hurriedly gathered his family together and called for a car. An explosion then occurred in the middle of the family group.

“Their legs I could see inside. Their intestines I could see spilling out,” said Mohammed Sawarka, 28, who rushed to the scene to help. “A 1-month-old child was dead inside its carriage.” He also found a hand in the sand. Doctors at the Shifa Hospital corroborated this testimony.

It is VERY easy for IED to do that - just blame the "Palestinian Terrorists" you just can not go wrong!

Hey - what about those EYE-WITNESESS?!?

They apparently saw artillery shells falling down, making craters and ripping legs and intestienes of Innocent Civilans apart.

Why are they not Mentioned in the Non-Biased Debka "Report"?



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
According to witnesses, the Ghalya family went to the beach on June 9 for a family outing. After shells fell nearby, the father, `Ali, hurriedly gathered his family together and called for a car. An explosion then occurred in the middle of the family group.


As It cleary says, they groupped up after Israeli Navy attacked the rocket sites around them (with different weapons than that your precious HMR claimed killed the family) Then an Explosion went off in the middle of them. If you stick to the words that would sound exactly like UXO going off in the middle of them. Plus damage to the legs and lower torso would allso indicate explosion at the ground.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 06:20 AM
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I'm pretty much equally skeptical of claims by Hamas and claims by the Israeli .gov.

Frankly I'd take anything either says with more than a grain of salt, I wouldn't put it past either to lie about this incident for political gain.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 06:48 AM
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More Here




"The fragment taken out of the wounded showed absolutely that it is not connected to any [type of] Israeli ammunition used that day," Halutz said.


And



One IAF strike on the Gaza Strip that day, he said, occurred 2.5 kilometers from the scene of the explosion and two other strikes took place hours earlier. Ruling out Navy fire, Klifi said that "every 76-mm. shell fired from the navy boats can be accounted for since they all hit their targets successfully." In fact, Klifi said, "the ones that fell closest to the location of the incident were fired four hours earlier."



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:46 PM
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They have NOTHING to gain from shooting a FAMiLY no the beach.


They have everything to gain. They know the Western media has an overwhelming Israeli Bias, so no matter what they would just deny it, while the Palestinians, and Hamas become enraged.

Exactly what Israel wanted was for Hamas to begin attacking Israel again after an 18 month ceasefire.

They are wishing for the attacks to justify their planed response.



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