666 Weirdness

First you post the English pronounciation of the Hebrew name I asked you about, then you try to contradict what I wrote by saying it's wrong because I posted two of the English pronounciations and I included vowels in them.

Can we just agree upon the sole important factor in what Gematria is all about? Yes, in HEBREW there are inter-relations between words and letters of the same values - but Greek and other alphabets and languages were not contructed in the same way as Hebrew was. So as is shown in the PI movie when Lenny shows Max in the cafe that Hebrew adds up, he gives him the example of how you can get the words for mother and father and child to add up AND make sense. It's all very coherent and obvious in how it matches up.

You DO NOT play around with it to make it fit! There is no relation there between meaning and value. Sure, if you took a photo of a plane and thought it was UFO then you could play around with it to make it look more like a UFO, but then you're a faker. This is not any different. Similarly you can saw a jigsaw puzzle to make that fit too, but you'll not come up with a picture that looks like what the true picture was.

Anyways, there are four main ways to calculate Hebrew letter and word values. I think they correspond to the four levels of interpreting the Torah - which goes from the mundane soap-opera level of meaning up to the spiritual 'priest' codes for what the texts are actually saying. Then it gets more complex because there are ways to spell out each letter individually also, and some letters have more than one spelling.


This site explains it,

www.inner.org...

I appreciate what you're saying, & I'll check out the weblink too. Thanks!

However, I wasn't the one that got on you about the 2 pronunciations in English & that whole subject. That was someone else...... But no biggie... LOL!


The thing is, I'm not "Playing around, trying to make something fit".
I'm using the same calculation for every word/ phrase... every time.

What I noticed about the "A=6 Base" is the results are consistent with the subject matter. (Whereas other methods are not.... or at least that I've found as of yet.)

What I mean by consistent is, things pertaing to the mark of the beast DO equal 666.
& when using the SAME CALCULATION method, things pertaining to GOD, & JESUS, tend to have a consistent match of 444.

Also, have you ever thought that Hollywood releases movies to influence us? To give us false ideas & information? To push us in opposite directions of what we used to believe in? To desensitize us about subject matter, & get us to accept their ideas (or plans).

I know people call this "CONSPIRACY".... But that's what it is, when people conspire to carry out a specific plan.

All those phrases could be interpreted to have some relation to "what's going on." In fact, you could construct a number of different meanings from it.



Except -- you're constructing the meaning from your very own 21st century mindset; from a unique view. For example, look at your example:



A very unique interpretation, since those who are a-religious (have no religion) may enjoy telling the Santa Claus story (several of them) but have no desire to set up a church to Santa Claus or anyother relgion. Christians don't put up altars to Santa Claus or pray to him. While he's taken (very recently in history) as a symbol of materialism, he was originally a symbol of goodwill and liberation. I doubt you'd find more than a handfull of people worldwide (over the age of 5 or so) who pray to Santa Claus.

Go back 100 years, and people would look at you as crazy because Santa Claus to them is strongly tied with the original St. Nicholas story, where girls are rescued from prostitution because of his gift.

It's all about who you are and what your culture is.

Also... if this is truly a global deity and a global warning, why in the heck is it in English (and American English, at that)? Why not Chinese? Why not German? Why not the Hebrew and Greek of that particular time?



See? Tom Cruise fits it! (and no, I'm not serious. I'm making a point.



Like those red thread bracelets that Madonna and company are into. (again, I'm making a silly point here...)

Marko, I think I understand where you are coming from. I find this very interesting.

1st of all, I LOVE a person who has a sense of humor, & sees good opportunities to use it!

You make some good points too. The Kaba -blah-blah-blah red bracelets COULD be thought of as a "mark".... but it serves no purpose than to display your religion in public, as a symbol. ( Like the WWJD Bracelets)
The RFID chip DOES have a specific purpose though, & it has the most potential to become the eventual "mark".

The whole Santa Claus thing is still misunderstood. And yes, My kids get presents from Santa too.... But I never really understood what Santa is until recently. Which IS an "alternate" figure on a "Religious" holiday.
Not that people "worship" santa, (well, not that many....) But the fact that the image & personna of SANTA has changed what Christmas was about.
To replace God or Jesus with an alternate, whether you worship the alternate or not, is still a REPLACEMENT.

As far as using modern English goes, THAT is the most widely spoken language in the world. Even though Chinese people outnumber everyone else, most Chinese people still learn English. It's become the language of worldwide business.

I believe God knew what languages we would be speaking, & would allow us to calculate in English to find the name/number.

Now, I'm NOT saying that ENGLISH is the sole language we can calculate with.
But to calculate using English, I think the A=6 Base is the correct one.

Here's something for people to look into. (myself included here) If we calculate the RFID Microchip in other languages / using their "proper" methods, would we get the same results??? Would the RFID microchip, or the name of the companies making them, equal 666??

If we have any multi language speaking people reading, THIS would be your call to help us answer that one!

The anti-Christ? Not to slag the Jews, but I think he's going to be of Jewish lineage. Why? Because he's going to be just like Jesus Christ only the evil opposite (anti-Christ). Born of Jewish blood. Born in the Mid-East. The Jews will embrace this man for 2 reasons: 1) they've been waiting for thousands of years for their messiah to arrive (anxiuosly waiting). 2) they already disbelieve Jesus as Christ and scoff at Him being the Son of Man, so I think this would be a way for them to disprove Christian beliefs ("He's here now, your Jesus wasn't the real deal. This guy is."). He's gonna be a Jew, just like Christ was.

I wasn't replying to you. I thought that would have been obvious given that I explained in my reply to what I was replying. Quoting at such length means opening another browser window and I can't always be bothered to do that and it clogs up the threads anyway.

As for your continued lack of explanation anyway it seems obvious that you are promoting that 444 because of some Dratch e-mail link that your namesake is posting at another forum justnow. No? Then why is 666 important then. Like I said, can't change how things are spelled or whatever just so it adds up how you want it to. And what's with using bases that way? It makes sense in computer binary style terms because of how memory bits are arranged, why use it in this. I'm surpised you've been able to promote this as being anything like numerology.

Why is 666 Important? because we were told that the number of the beast/his name/his mark will be 666.

Also to point out that I'm not changing the way to spell a word to get a "desired" result. I'm spelling words as they are spelled, & have kept track of the ones that have that number value.

The reason I brought up 444 was to show that the fidings are consistent with subject types on this calculator. That's all.

AND... the main reason I shared this info was to raise awareness, & get people to investigate on their own.

But I DO think it's worth a look to comapre one main subject (ie- the RFID microchip) in other languages. & see if it comes up to the same value.....

But as has been pointed out on other threads, plus here, already, that number occurs once only - in Revelations. And it might have been transcribed wrongly, there seems to be an older text that lists it as 616. That has to be taken into account because given who all compiled the Bible it could well be that it was numbered so as to co-incide with something in the then-distant-future that plans might have been left to ensure took place.

I think it's about Sun-worship myself. I think the book is making a point about how people choose to focus upon one thing and then forget what that is in context with all other things, so they begin to go insane and have no true focus for what their society or whatever else is all about and headed towards. So you could go, yes all life on Earth is made possible by the Sun - but then the Moon controls tides so it therefore is connected to biological life, and then the Sun orbits the galactic centre, and the galaxy orbits some other fixed point along with the other galaxies, and so on.....plus you can go within too and worship atoms as they make up everything, so I see it ( Revelations ) just as a description of a culture, a way of life, that is not focused hence unthinking hence headed for problems.

Better reread what you posted, you were the one who said IHShVH was not the Hebrew version of Jesus, not me.

All I did was post why IHShVH (יהשוה) was correct, and if you wish to use Hebrew Gematria (like I wanted to do) on a name you have to use the Hebrew word, not some English version of it.

Actually, sun worship could be part of the whole "plan" so to speak.
I just ran across something in the past few days about the sun being factored into the equation of the Luciferian Sects such as the Illuminati, & Fremasons. I'll have to try finding that again.... because I can see what you're getting at.

I have also heard people say that the number could be 616, rather than 666.
Which would be more of Satan's trickery at work.....
If it is "supposed to be " 616, & it was changed in the Bible, Then Satan influenced the improper translation to mislead people into a false fear of 666... hoping people would feel OK with 616 & he'd have an easier time getting you to take his mark, because everyone had been preaching the wrong number...

.... So ask yourself this.... Do you want to worry about 2 numbers now? Isn't it bad enough having ONE to watch for?

Also, if the bible did indeed get mistranslated on the number, Then the church has been poisoned for an even longer amount of time, which means we're probably even closer to the AntiChrist's arrival..... & need to pay even closer attention to the world's events.

How many new religions have sprung up just in the last 100 yrs?
How many have sprung up in the last 50?

WAY TOO MANY! And that was to serve as another sign that the era of the AntiChrist is getting closer.

OK,

It's time to ALL have a laugh for a minute.

This DOES fit into the topic of discussion too....

............ and About SANTA CLAUS.

We've discovered the name SANTA CLAUS has a value of 666.... (at least it does according to the calculator I have used)
*friendly smile/wink*

I was thinking about that & realized......

I would absolutely SHlT MY PANTS, if freakin' SANTA CLAUS appeared to the world as "REAL", & actually DID turn out to be the M***F**n AntiChrist!!
HAHAH!! I'm talking a REAL LOAD in my pants!!!

It just paints a funny picture in my head!
He & His little (evil) elves... all bringing broken toys, to make kids cry!
Spelling their names wrong on the presents.......
Unplugging that ONE lighbulb on the tree that seems to control the power flow to the whole strand of lights....
Rudolph kicking a hole in your roof so water leaks when the snow melts....

Sometimes we just need to take a step back & laugh.... So when you read this, I hope it comes across at least HALF as funny as it looked in my head.



I just can't help but picture BillyBob Thornton in Bad Santa.....
WHEW!
OK

I hope everyone has a good weekend!

Right ON!!
There is quite the list of info concerning The RFID chip there.
Thanks for the link!

As usual more lies, and brazenly so as the actual posts are there to be seen by all. Of course.

Again, what actually took place was that I asked you about two other versions of Jesus' name in Hebrew, which you then claimed are not accurate - fine if you want to think that, but they are accurate.

You tried to make it seem like I was wrong because I used the English spelling of them when I described what I meant, then what you did was use the English spelling yourself of the version you prefer in order to do the same thing as I did and describe what you meant - but you didn't label it wrong when you did exactly the same thing as me.

marko - I really don't think you see what I am getting at at all. It sure isn't under the Luciferian banner and I don't believe in the things you find relevant either.

marko - I really don't think you see what I am getting at at all. It sure isn't under the Luciferian banner and I don't believe in the things you find relevant either.

Marko, I wanted to read some of this site before I made another post. I found his insistence on using the English language over the original Hebrew or Greek disturbing. That is until I remembered this:



Those who study end times Bible prophecy often disagree on the symbolism used to describe the Beast. I could go into pages to explain the above verses but I just wanted to point out one specific part, which I believe ties in with this post.

The beast has the mouth of a lion. If the lion is the UK, as many students of Bible prophecy believe, then the beast speaks English! This would then validate his use of an English gematria. Unfortunately, many here refuse to keep an open mind when reading anything that relates to the Bible or end times prophecy. I will be doing more research on this topic this week. Thanks for the links.

My last name adds up to 666.....Needless to say I am worried.

The key or main point here would be first of all - why place any relevance at all upon Revelations? Why is it to be considered as prophetic of these times? Why is it any more important than any other visionary work? Especially considering that what is happening now is not different from what was happening even back when Revelations was first written! Nevermind when it was compiled into the King James Bible version in the 1600s, when what it said also describes those times too.
Might it be possible for example that using the lion symbol is related to the fact that early Christians were thrown to the lions by the Romans for entertaiment.

The world was very much engaged in wars and empires by the time that the Bible was put together, why should any civilised person take into account what could be part of a plan to enslave as many as possible over the next hundreds of years as the New World was settled into? It's not far-fetched to note that when it was compiled they'd know what people today would use it for and think about it - they counted upon that! There's your beast.

Ed, I TOTALLY can understand why people may think the events happening are no different today than they were 2000, or even 200 years ago.
There have always been wars, & evil rulers/kings/leadres.....

But the main difference between then & now is the technology advancements which have to be in place for the Prophecy of Revelation, concerning the AntiChrist / mark of the beast/ Armegeddon.

To issue a mark that will be necessary to buy or sell, would indicate a cashless soceity, where you could control what people are able to do. That hasn't happened yet, but we are getting closer to a cashless economy every day.

Also, the descriptions given in Revelation sound like things we have nowadays.
For instance, When John describes the "Locust" having scorpion like tails, & human faces, Ready for battle with iron breastplates, & wings that sound like many horses running, could he be describing our modern Military Helicopters? (the human faces actually being pilots?.... The tails being missiles? The wings sounding like horses the propellers???)

I compared pictures of Locusts to Military choppers, & there are some strong similarities. They would have had to compare their visions to what they could relate to.... Especially if you were trying to describe something 2000 years in the future that you didn't have a name for at the time.

I guess that's why I put that much stock into Revelation.

But.... we very well COULD be many many years away from this.... we won't know until it happens.

The best thing to do is study the book, & really think about what the descriptions mean.

Again, That was a good point you brought up though.

I'd agree that still using money but making it electronic-only is a very bad move. That can't happen, I'm not sure if it ever will because in all honesty the 'system' that we know and hate is dependant upon the black market, and that means people buying and selling with cash (or indeed bartering).

Take away various drugs and watch the wheels of industry grind to a complete halt for example, see markets crash and currencies tumble. From the least empowered levels of employment where it's oft required just to get through the day all the way up to it funding all the big stuff. And that's just one set of examples.

It's bad enough to an extent that money is not backed by any metals any longer, so it isn't really worth the paper it's printed on or the alloys it's made out of.