Jack the Ripper, a Black Magic Occultist?

New Ripper suspect's ritual killings obeyed occult decree

Whitechapel prostitutes were victims of a surgeon who studied the black arts, claims author

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Amelia Hill

Sunday July 28, 2002
The Observer

Jack the Ripper was not a serial sexual killer but an occultist called Robert Donston Stephenson who terrorised London's East End while indulging in a sadistic form of Satanic worship.
According to a new book that claims to prove conclusively the identity of the mass murderer, the Ripper's true motive was to kill four prostitutes as the occult decreed and, in so doing, profane the Christian cross.

Originally posted by slave
the Ripper's true motive was to kill four prostitutes as the occult decreed and, in so doing, profane the Christian cross.

Well he actually had 5 known victims (Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catharine Eddowes, Mary Jane Kelly) and at least two other possible victims. So I guess that kinda messes that theory up?

Wasn't he supposed to be a member of the royal family or something. Didn't Queen Victorias son knocked up a hooker and then he got Syphillis so they had to kill hookers to kill the baby. Something like that.

yeah, I think that theory is among the least plausible I've heard. even the royal conspiracy theory flies better than this one.

What do yuou tyhink he did with the organs? of course he was an Occultist.

It helps to read the article (not just the first paragraph) before coming to a conclusion.

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'Certain points in relation to these crimes have never been satisfactorily explained and, in fact, many have been ignored,' said Edwards, who has spent the past nine years investigating the murders.

'One avenue, which was never explored by the police of the day, mainly due to their ignorance, was occult ritual murder, including the doctrine that certain organs should be removed from murdered prostitutes, killed at pre-arranged sites, which were to be located at the four points of the compass.'

During his research Edwards realised that the victims were carefully laid facing north, east, south and west. 'How do you calculate the probability of finding four bodies randomly distributed in a city so that they form the precise points of a cross?' he asked.

He then did what no other researcher has done before: measure the distances from victim to victim and take compass bearings to discover if there was a pattern between the sites where the women were murdered.

'I found that by joining some of the sites together, you created two equilateral triangles; a sacred symbol which, in occult doctrine, Satan devised to be used in worship of him,' Edwards said. By joining the sites in a different way, a Christian cross was revealed.

After examining the position of the fifth and last victim, 25-year-old Marie Jeanette Kelly, Edwards realised that all the women were killed within a 500-yard radius and that, by joining the sites together, it was possible to create the Vesica Piscis, a fish-like symbol worshipped by the early Christians. By murdering his victims and leaving their bodies in that way, the killer intended a tribute to Satan.

Edwards said the organs removed by the Ripper - the heart, kidneys, genitalia and womb - were those routinely used in black magic rituals.

'Such practices were common on the west coast of Africa at the time and my suspect was known to travel to the west coast in search of occult knowledge and even went so far as to write on the subject,' Edwards said.

Stephenson, an occultist and military surgeon who lived near the site of the murders at the time they were committed, was arrested twice for the crimes but was released each time.

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This is what i believe anyway he killed those hookers for the good of mankind and used the organs for black magic purposes.

Originally posted by drunk
This is what i believe anyway he killed those hookers for the good of mankind and used the organs for black magic purposes.

murder for the good of mankind? wtf? you do realize that prostitutes in Whitechapel in the 1880s didn't do it because they liked sex. if they had no money and a husband who left or died, that's about the only work that paid well enough to eat.

Jack the Ripper, a favorite topic of mine. The one problem with this theory is it doesn't explain why he chose those five out of so many and just stopped after the fifth one. Why not keep going?

He was also not known to be violent to women.

In Manchester art gallery theres even a painting done by the guy who was allegedly jack the ripper ill take a pic and post it when i go there carnt remember the guys name

No?

I hear that old good Jack was actually a member of royal family..

That is what i belive..

There was another book written in 1994 on this same culprit, Robert Dontson Stephenson.

~ JACK THE RIPPER ~ (1)
A Biographical Sketch of a Friend & Acquaintance of Aleister Crowley
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No murderer has ever captured the imagination of the world as fully as the individual who did the ruthless slayings in Whitechapel in 1888. The identity of this madman has never been discovered, although some writers believe there is some connection to Prince Eddy, the Duke of Clarence. Some flatly deny this, claiming it's balderdash. Many others believe there was a valid connection. One individual who kept extensive diaries during 1888 of everything he overheard while sipping coffee at the Cafe Royal remarks that the artist Walter Sickert once stated openly that, "you might find royalty involved." (2) St John Terrapin further wrote that he overheard Inspector Abberline of Scotland Yard, who was in charge of the Ripper case, refer to the P. A. V. connections in a conversation. Terrapin expresses his belief that this stood for 'Prince Albert Victor' the official title of Duke of Clarence.


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Still there is another totally different version of Crowley's connection to Jack the Ripper from his own writings. It is worth repeating. Crowley claims that while living in New York in 1912 (12) he met a lesbian lady in her fifties named the Baroness Vittoria Cremers who was married to Baron Louis Cremers of the Russian Embassy. She claimed to be a good friend and lover of Mabel Collins, the author of The Blossom and the Fruit. They had met through Madame Blavatsky while both were in London. It was Cremers who allegedly gave Crowley the identity of Jack the Ripper.
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She explained to Crowley that after a time she and Mabel Collins broke up. Then in March of 1890 she went back to London to visit Mabel and found her living with a house guest who claimed to be an advanced Magician. This lodger was a man named Robert Donston Stephenson who was born April 20th 1841 in Yorkshire. He often went by the name Captain Donstan. Scotland Yard had suspected him at one time of being Jack the Ripper, but were convinced in the end that he had nothing to do with the murders.
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Mabel Collins informed Cremers that she wanted to rid herself of this gentleman and decided she had to steal some 'compromising letters' that she had written which were in his possession. Crowley in his Confessions writes, "Cremers offered to steal these from him. In the man's bedroom was a tin uniform case which he kept under the bed to which he attached it by cords. Neither of the women had ever seen this open and Cremers suspected that he kept these letters in it ... to her surprise it was very light, as if empty. She proceeded nevertheless to pick the lock and open it. There were no letters; there was nothing in the box, but seven white evening dress ties, all stiff and black with clotted blood!" (13) Donston became an immediate suspect in the minds of Cremers and Collins but one might ask the simple question regarding Crowley's comments, "Who were the other two victims?" The Ripper killed only five people, and not seven. Some writers have stated that this story is totally spurious claiming that Cremers really found only a box full of a few books "and some old fashioned black ties with ready-made knots. At the backs of the ties-and of the knots-there were some stains that made them stiff." (14) An over-active imagination is allegedly the source of Crowley's version.
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There is yet another story worth mentioning. When the writer Bernard O'Donnell was doing an interview with Aleister Crowley in the thirties (15) he learned that the Great Beast actually knew Robert Donston Stephenson before he had died in 1912. In fact, Crowley claimed Robert Donston "had actually given him the ties." (16) However, O'Donnell believed that Crowley was merely delivering a repetition of the Baroness's story, and didn't take him seriously. It is a pity he never pursued it further, as Aleister Crowley might have actually shown him the ties, but in all honesty we have found absolutely no evidence to support the fact that the Beast and Donston
ever met.
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In 1925 Betty May, whose husband Raoul Loveday had died at Cefalu, began serializing her story with interviews in the Sunday Express and the World's Pictorial News. Many of these articles were ghostwritten by the British author Elliot O'Donnell. One bizarre story tells of Crowley's connection to Jack the Ripper according to what Betty May had witnessed. This story was later incorporated into her biography, entitled Tiger Woman, in 1929. Here she again tells the story of her stay at the Abbey of Cefalu, painting many interesting stories of Aleister Crowley, but none more fascinating than that which she relates about Jack the Ripper. (17) She writes, "I must tell you how one day I was going through one of the rooms in the abbey when I nearly fell over a small chest that was lying in the middle of it. I opened it and saw inside a number of men's ties. I pulled some of them out, and then dropped them, for they were stiff and stained with something. For the moment I thought it must be blood." Were these ties a figment of Betty May's mind in the same way that O'Donnell believed they were of Crowley's?
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She did ask Crowley about these ties and he replied that "these were the relics of one of the most mysterious series of murders that the world had ever known. They belonged to Jack the Ripper!" He further stated that he knew him 'personally' and that "these are his ties, every one of which was steeped in the blood of his victims."
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Betty May then claims Crowley told her, "Many theories have been advanced to explain how he managed to escape discovery. But 'Jack the Ripper' was not only a consummate artist in the perpetration of his crimes. He had attained the highest powers of magic and could make himself invisible. These ties that you found were those he gave to me, the only relics of the most amazing murders in the history of the world."
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Crowley's Scarlet Woman, Leah Hirsig, was quick to write a short rebuttal to this book.(18) She was also one of the women living at the abbey with Betty May, and according to this unpublished article she felt Betty May simply 'lifted' the story from the manuscript of Crowley's Confessions rather than actually seeing any small chest or ties. The story of the ties appears in Part Five of Confessions entitled 'The Magus', which remained unpublished until 1969. So, in an odd way, Betty May's 'lifted' story was the first published account of Crowley's version of the ties, only very corrupted. As far as Crowley's Confessions were concerned, only sections one and two were published while he was alive.
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But did the ties ever exist, or were they just a 'good story' repeated by everyone? It is any one's guess. Once a good story is written, it is usually borrowed and elaborated in other books as if it is undisputed fact. Such is the case with the book Swordfish and Stromboli written by Denis Clark in 1951. He briefly discusses the incident which took place in 'Koshmar' or Crowley's private quarters at the abbey, but no new info about the ties is brought out. He seems to have lifted his account from Betty May's book. (19)
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There is a new book on the Ripper which examined the possibility that Robert D'Onston� was, in fact, the murderer. It is titled The True Face of Jack the Ripper by Melvin Harris. (20)
Again, Crowley's recollections about Vittoria Cremers and Donston are discussed, and most of what has already been written is rehashed in its pages. Little if any new information is brought out. However it does mention the fact "that when Betty May acted as a defense witness in a libel action brought by Crowley, she cut a sorry figure. In court she admitted that whole section of Tiger Woman was fabricated. She even acknowledged that accounts in her book differed from accounts printed in the Sunday Express and from the evidence given in court." (21) This, of course, was true. Her accounts were simply recollections and twisted fabrications of what she was trying to remember of what she had read from Crowley's unpublished manuscript. Finally, it's best emphasized that Betty May's account of actually seeing the ties is completely fictitious, which we knew all along.
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In Crowley's unpublished diaries dated Monday August 23rd 1943 there is a simple note, dictated "Jack the Ripper," (22) and on the 27th he writes that it is finished. This short manuscript is much more in depth than anything he had written in his Confessions, begun at the Abbey of Cefalu. The new twist to the story is in the first paragraph, where he states, "It is hardly one's first, or even one's hundredth guess, that the Victorian worthy in the case of Jack the Ripper was no less a person than Helena Petrovna Blavatsky." Is Crowley accusing Blavatsky of being the Ripper? This comment even shocks Crowley's biographer John Symonds, who elaborates by stating that in "Crowley's writings there is usually a tone of mockery, so one does not really know whether he wishes to be taken seriously or not. Some of his opinions are so preposterous such as the one in which he identifies Madame Blavatsky with Jack the Ripper that one is inclined to the view that he was mad." (23) Most would agree, but here is Aleister Crowley's manuscript for you to judge for yourself. But before you begin reading, remember, Blavatsky did have this strange habit of occasionally signing her name 'Jack,' and as to why?-it's any one's guess.

Jack The Ripper by Aleister Crowley can be read here at the end:
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[Edited on 30-10-2003 by slave]

Originally posted by SE7EN
In Manchester art gallery theres even a painting done by the guy who was allegedly jack the ripper ill take a pic and post it when i go there carnt remember the guys name

Walter Sickert? You should be cautious when considering him as a suspect. Patricia Cornwell tried to make him a suspect but it doesn't really hold up.

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by maynardsthirdeye]

I've always been interested in Jack the Ripper and the mysteriousness that always follows him. People have their theories, noone can prove anything now really

The film "From hell" contains all the possible theories about jack the ripper and even has a documenty explaining all the theories. Its likely that jack the ripper was a royal conspiracy due to the prince marrying a common women and the child being in line to the thrown, this would have brought down the royal family at the time so they need to get rid of the people surrounding the marriage

Yes, From Hell explored the theory that it was a "Masonic" ritual that was linked back to the royal family. Seems like there might be some truth to it. If Scotland Yard didn't want the royals reputation smeared (with blood) they could have easily hidden or destroyed any evidence. God Save the Queen and all that.

Originally posted by darklanser
Yes, From Hell explored the theory that it was a "Masonic" ritual that was linked back to the royal family. Seems like there might be some truth to it. If Scotland Yard didn't want the royals reputation smeared (with blood) they could have easily hidden or destroyed any evidence. God Save the Queen and all that.

Darklanser,exactly. The head of Scotland Yard was a 33rd degree mason at the time so it strongly points to a Masonic/royal consiparcy

Originally posted by infinite
Darklanser,exactly. The head of Scotland Yard was a 33rd degree mason at the time so it strongly points to a Masonic/royal consiparcy

Sorry Darklancer, I'm not quite sure how being a mason at the time "strongly points to a conspiracy" regarding the royal family, but it is an interesting tid bit.

Originally posted by MorningtonCrescent

Originally posted by drunk
This is what i believe anyway he killed those hookers for the good of mankind and used the organs for black magic purposes.

murder for the good of mankind? wtf? you do realize that prostitutes in Whitechapel in the 1880s didn't do it because they liked sex. if they had no money and a husband who left or died, that's about the only work that paid well enough to eat.

But still he deemed them unfit for society, i mean if a husnabd left a woman or a husband was killed there must have been some other way of earning money for them , like leaving London to seek work elsewhere.