Originally posted by ANOK
Oh so I'm a communist because I point out that the idea that animal testing is for profit rather than the Human good they claim? I was just pointing
out the hypocracy.
No, you're a communist for implying that the profit motive automatically makes people wicked or evil. Which has nothing to do with the kind of food
you want to eat.
And food fasicst? Wow so I'm a nazi now?
You've quite gleefullly thrown labels around this thread. I think it is a lovely description of your vilification of other people's eating habits
as, um, immoral
Yep, that's a pretty good definition of fascism; demanding that other people obey you because you are morally superior, and trying to coerce them
into agreeing with you.
"Fascist" applies to the venom you spew at people who disagree with you--that anyone who dares hold a different opinion is "careless," or
"ignorant," or "has no compassion."
But don't try to tell me you care, . .
See, there you go again.
. . . billions of people could be saved from an agonizing slow death from starvation if we didn't waste recources raising cows, as I have already
But hey I guess as long as they're not americans it doesn't matter?
Again with the straw man, and the charges that I'm a moral monster because I disagree.
I won't try to tell you that your numbers are BS, because you ignored my response anyway. But I'll say it again for others who're interested in
My knowledge of beef raising is based on American practice. Practices vary world-wide.
In the states, beef cattle are often moved out into grass pasture as soon as they are big enough to fend for themselves and weather permits.
Depending on local conditions, they may spend up to a year or so on grass. Finally, they are sold to a feedlot for finishing, by being fed grain for
between 30 and 90 days. Beef marketers may vary the time, depending on market prices for beef.
MOST of the weight a calf puts on during life is from eating pasture grass. This is inedible for humans. On the American plains, the cattle are not
kept in barns or otherwise cared for, other than daily headcounts to determine that none are lost or stolen.
The amount of grain fed at the finishing lot is a function of the price of grain, the price of holding them in a feedlot, and the premium paid for
beef with marbled fat. The duration of feedlot stays has declined in the last 5 years, as Americans prefer leaner and leaner beef.
The primary feeds in the US are wheat and corn (maize). Almost all corn/maize grown in the US is expressly for feed. All but number one corn is
considered unfit for human consumption, due to it's toughness, dryness, lack of nutrients, or damaged state of the grains.
Wheat is more rarely fed to cattle, because of it's value as a human foodstuff. Hard red winter wheat, the staple of American wheat farming, can be
sold for human consumption if the quality is high enough. Since it generally brings a higher price that way, it is seldom fed to animals unless there
is a glut of wheat supply.
It's a total misrepresentation to pretend that most of the corn the US produces (and exports) would be eaten by people. The reason farmers grow
feedgrains is because the plants require less care (especially water) than human food stocks do. They are also easier to harvest and store.
Here's a glossary from the University of Arkansas, of agribusiness terms, so you can educate yourself:
As far as the USA is concerned, it's the world's leading exporter of feedgrains. So why does this mean that people are going hungry, because
Americans eat beef? If anything, the US export leadership shows that feeding grain to cows is an economical way to harvest and store up protein.
Again, it's starving people in third world countries who benefit most from eating meat, since they usually do so in moderation. A family owning pigs
or goats often means the difference in survival.
This group, Heifer International
, is feeding hungry people around the world by providing
them with their own livestock, so that they can raise their own animals on local foodstuffs. Some families are also able to sell excess livestock for
Instead of bitching about the evils of western civilization, they are helping hungry and oppressed people. And they are doing it by helping those
people raise their own meat, and launch their own businesses.