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In the dock: the man who caused the great MMR scare
The doctor who sparked an international scare over the safety of MMR vaccine is to be charged with serious professional misconduct by the General Medical Council in an attempt by the medical establishment finally to lay the controversy to rest.
Andrew Wakefield, who published a research paper in 1998 purporting to show a link between the MMR vaccine and autism, is accused in preliminary charges of publishing "inadequately founded" research, failing to obtain ethical committee approval, obtaining funding "improperly" and of subjecting children to "unnecessary and invasive investigations", The Independent has learnt. The research is said to have caused immunisation rates to slump and cases of measles, mumps and rubella to soar. The research, which appeared in The Lancet, is said to have done more damage than anything published in a scientific journal in living memory.
Detailed charges are being formulated by the GMC's lawyers for presentation in the autumn and a public hearing is expected next year. If found guilty Dr Wakefield, 50, could be struck off the medical register.
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Originally posted by loam
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This seems like an aggressive move considering: US scientists back autism link to MMR.
Originally posted by kipman725
Even if there is a link it's better to get the MMR vacine than go without and risk catching measles mumps or rubela which can all kill you.
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Originally posted by kipman725
Even if there is a link it's better to get the MMR vacine than go without and risk catching measles mumps or rubela which can all kill you.
I agree wholeheartedly. While there very well may be a link, albeit a weak one, I don't see how one can justify...
Originally posted by bsl4doc
...Not everyone can lead a healthy life, despite how much I would love them to. Someone somewhere will always get the short end of the straw, no matter if we vaccinate or not...
Originally posted by kipman725
Even if there is a link it's better to get the MMR vacine than go without and risk catching measles mumps or rubela which can all kill you.
...then if such roulette is to be played, let nature decide who is to receive the short straws- not some government bureaucrat or those who profit from the very distribution of the vaccine.
Moreover, given the scientific dispute, why not simply encourage some alternative to thermisol and eliminate the issue altogether?
Another article supporting Dr. Wakefield: US experts back MMR doctor's findings
Originally posted by bsl4doc
How can you justify hundred of children dieing so that one child doesn't develop autism? Can you please explain that to me? See, we in the medical profession tend to like the option that leaves the MOST people alive, not the fewest.
Originally posted by Darkmind
When I was 5 years old (back in the Stone Age days of 1975) I came down with mumps. This left me with 0% hearing in one ear and 98% hearing in the other, along with a really bad sense of balance. If parents want to run the risk of their kids becoming wholly or partially deaf, they should ignore the MMR jab.
Those who actually love their children and who have been looking at this issue over the past few years, when the link between MMR and autism has been eroded down to nothing, should give their kids the jab.
Originally posted by loam
bsl4doc: Thanks for the spelling lesson (twice- and rather ironic, considering how you spelled 'propr' )...
See, the point I'm making is a political one...not a medical one. I am not a member of the camp that believes government has a right to impose such calculus with its populous. Using your "it's better for the masses" logic, we should then consider elimination of those with a genetic susceptibility to certain communicable diseases in order to prevent their possible spread to the general populous.
Additionally, unlike you, I do not subscribe to the infallibility of the medical profession. Do we need to discuss how many times they've gotten it wrong in the past?
As I have said here, and in other threads on the subject, what I object to is the degree to which scientific dissent is quashed by a de facto medical oligarchy who would have us believe that financial interest plays no role in the positions they advocate.
Originally posted by bsl4doc
A typo is much different than a general lack of effort in learning to spell a word.
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Well, I am not a member of the camp that thinks the masses will do anything productive if left to their individual means and ways. If there were no mandatory vaccination programs sponsored by the government or national medical association, I would wager that a great deal fewer would receive the vaccinations and would then cause a resurgence in certain diseases.
Originally posted by bsl4doc
I don't think the medical profession is infallible. It's a science, and as such is constantly being written and rewritten, tested and retested, etc.
Do we need to discuss how many advantages modern medicine and sanitation (also a brance of western medicine) has brought to the world? Or would you rather still be showering once a month, defecating in a hole in the ground, and wondering why everyone drinking from the town well is dying of cholera?
Originally posted by bsl4doc
I won't quash it when you can provide some justification for your stand point other than just having a problem with authority. I have no monetary interest in vaccinating children, I work for a public health hospital. When at work, I stick children everyday. Odd, though. I don't see any huge numbers of autistic children during our city-wide vaccination campaigns...
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Also, this does not amount to offing everyone with genetic predispositions to certain diseases. The difference is that when we vaccinate the population, we prevent epidemic. If someone is susceptible to a disease, is it unlikely that it will remain highly infectious or even be able to spread as it would incubate and infect quickly.
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Sooo..are you going to post a study or any evidence, or just say "nuh-uh" and post anecdotes from clinics which have yet to produce a study on the topic?
Originally posted by loam
...And, while I remain unclear about who might be correct on the causation issue...
Do your own research. I'm not interested in engaging in an exercise in futility... You are so married to your position, it would not permit consideration of a hundred opposing studies...
Happy hunting....or not.
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Well, I am not a member of the camp that thinks the masses will do anything productive if left to their individual means and ways. If there were no mandatory vaccination programs sponsored by the government or national medical association, I would wager that a great deal fewer would receive the vaccinations and would then cause a resurgence in certain diseases. Do you ever wonder why smallpox isn't around anymore?
Originally posted by Long Lance
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Well, I am not a member of the camp that thinks the masses will do anything productive if left to their individual means and ways. If there were no mandatory vaccination programs sponsored by the government or national medical association, I would wager that a great deal fewer would receive the vaccinations and would then cause a resurgence in certain diseases. Do you ever wonder why smallpox isn't around anymore?
That's nice governement for the people, by the people.
Italy is a Republic, right ?
Your totalitarian viewpoint make it all too clear that you wouldn't hesitate a second to sacrifice anyone (save yourself, probably) for the 'greater good' ... of whom may i ask?
I got news for you and all the rest who believes the world belongs to them alone, these 'masses' well, you're part of them, you're mortal just like everyone else and the illusion that anyone 'governs' them from above, so to speak is the ultimate delusion, because they are part of society and shaped by it, recognize it or not.
This exact same spirit is destroys the world, at least the west, not just because it alienates people irreversibly, because deluded madmen in 'leading positions', (ie. leaving all resources and tools to a few nut jobs) trash everything they see because the can. I don't doubt for a second that your mindset is typical for this time, just take the EU's tendency to have people vote over and over again until the correct result appears...
These nations call themselves democratic at the same time,
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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The following article can't be summed up in a few paragraphs, sorry:
Provided as is, concerning vaccination studies and their shortcomings
In 2004 it was alleged that Mr Wakefield had had an undeclared conflict of interest at the time he wrote the Lancet paper: having been paid £55,000 by the Legal Aid Board to assess whether some of the children who featured in his research paper might have a case to sue for vaccine damage.
Source:www.guardian.co.uk...
According to the Independent newspaper today, the preliminary charges against Mr Wakefield will be that he published inadequately founded research, failed to obtain ethical committee approval for the work, obtained funding for it improperly, and subjected children to "unnecessary and invasive investigations".