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Unnoticed Flying Objects During Shuttle Launch *new*

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posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:14 AM
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LAES YVAN,

Yes, but that is trivial and has nothing to do with the conversation.

You can look here on this link and see Six pics with Turkey Vultures as "dark Smudges" in the sky. Also here you can see that this sequence of photo's was shot slightly in-front of the Video your Hosting. You will be able to see in this link the Retaining Wall I've pointed out and the Pond I pointed out in previous pics I've posted.

shuttle.airshowjournal.com... ( Scroll Down about midway )

You'll notice there is one photo here that shows , the Shuttle, Cloud 1a, Cloud 1b, Cloud 2 , all four reference points.




[edit on 14-6-2006 by lost_shaman]




posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:21 AM
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I give up! The thread's had four Mod warnings and you're going to start it all over again?

LAES, send it to a UFO organisation and see what they think.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:21 AM
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posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
Yes, but that is trivial and has nothing to do with the conversation.


MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY READING THE POST ABOVE MINE. I AM HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH 'ISJ'.



Originally posted by lost_shaman
You can look here on this link and see Six pics with Turkey Vultures as "dark Smudges" in the sky. Also here you can see that this sequence of photo's was shot slightly in-front of the Video your Hosting. You will be able to see in this link the Retaining Wall I've pointed out and the Pond I pointed out in previous pics I've posted.

shuttle.airshowjournal.com... ( Scroll Down about midway )


SERIOUSLY. THIS IS GETTING OLD. I HAVE SEEN THOSE PICTURES, AND USED MOST OF THEM TO DISPLAY MY MEASUREMENTS. I see ZERO pictures with "turkey vultures". I do however see 2 pictures with small 2 or 3 pixel black specs, that could very well be dust on the lenses for all I know. NO pictures show any signs of obvious birds, NONE.

Even if those 3 pixel specs were birds, the objects in the video are TO LARGE TO BE BIRDS, since they are flying 11,500 feet away, yet still show as 8+ pixels.
ONCE AGAIN. I AM AWARE VULTURES LIVE IN THE AREA. YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMIND ME 100000 TIMES.

I will post this for YOUR amusement.. and hopefully to stop posts about birds in the area....





Yes, birds do live in the area. That doesn't prove the objects in the video are birds.

[edit on 14-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:47 AM
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Yeah , you can post lots of pictures of Water Fowl if you please, there is no relevance.

What I am talking about is the Launch sequence of STS - 114 , and Identifying the objects on the the Video you are promoting as UFO's.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:48 AM
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Also... if the objects ARE birds, they should be in this picture, unless they fly super super fast.






Originally posted by lost_shaman
Yeah , you can post lots of pictures of Water Fowl if you please, there is no relevance.

What I am talking about is the Launch sequence of STS - 114 , and Identifying the objects on the the Video you are promoting as UFO's.




They ARE UFO's. Unidentified Flying Objects. NOBODY can identify them, because they are unidentifiable.

[edit on 14-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:49 AM
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Sorry if this information was already posted as I skipped maybe 10 pages but could this information be of any help?:


turkey vulture

Groups of vultures spiraling upward to gain altitude are called "kettles". As vultures catch thermal updrafts they take on the appearance of water boiling in a pot – hence the name kettle. Turkey vultures have been reported by aircraft pilots to rise to as high as 20,000 feet and soar for hours without flapping their wings.

Peace.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:54 AM
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Originally posted by D1ssient
Sorry if this information was already posted as I skipped maybe 10 pages but could this information be of any help?:


turkey vulture

Groups of vultures spiraling upward to gain altitude are called "kettles". As vultures catch thermal updrafts they take on the appearance of water boiling in a pot – hence the name kettle. Turkey vultures have been reported by aircraft pilots to rise to as high as 20,000 feet and soar for hours without flapping their wings.

Peace.


OK, so then you believe the objects ARE 11,500 feet in the air? If these are birds 11,500 feet in the air I ABSOLUTLY INSURE YOU they would NOT show up as big as the objects in my video.

Just look at this picture: www.natureali.org...

These birds are cant be more than 1000 feet, and they appear so small. If these birds were 11,500 feet, they would look WAY SMALLER than the objects in my video.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN

Also... if the objects ARE birds, they should be in this picture, unless they fly super super fast.



Right,... I GUESS zooming in on the Shuttle Plume doesn't have anything to do with it ?



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman

Right,... I GUESS zooming in on the Shuttle Plume doesn't have anything to do with it ?


This photo here, is HARDLY zoomed at all. And look how well it shows up.




Also the picture that shows all clouds in one shot, is using a special "fish eye" wide view lenses, which will usually disrupt perspective by a small amount.

Anyway... zoom in all you want on this picture and you wont even see a trace. Not even ONE pixel. Surley ONE pixel would be visible.
img150.imageshack.us...

[edit on 14-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]


ISJ

posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN Please tell me which posts I have ignored... because I haven't ignored ANYONE.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

These posts are example of post you have not commented on.


Originally posted by LAES YVAN


I made this very quickly:


Yes i would agree with that statement above.


Originally posted by LAES YVAN SEVERAL MILES?! Damn, no wonder you have no sense of measurement towards these objects. B.T.W. 1 mile = 5280 feet

LMAO


If I requested a Maths lesson, then i dont remeber it


Heres my quick attempt: (I located the shuttle, dropped ref lines from it, cut then pasted these lines to the top of the picture.)



The point is, doesn't matter on the exact size of the cloud formation, it highlights that due to the perspective you cannot make an accurate judgement of size, distance or height. That is the point.

Good examples of this are my spider picture and the plane picture above in post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

btw, i make the cloud 3900 ft wide (50 x 78'), not quite "several miles", i admit, but "several miles" was used to emphasise my point.


ISJ

posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN




OMG Look at the size of those birds!!

They must be like 50ft wide!!!


ISJ

posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Also... if the objects ARE birds, they should be in this picture, unless they fly super super fast.







Hang on you cant make out the Shuttle in that pic, and you to try to ask us to find a bird ??

You are scraping the barrel now



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:22 AM
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Oh my god look at that bird, its going BEHIND the shuttle!!!!!!!!!! It MUST have a wingspan of at least 50 feet. I base that on ABSOLUTLY NOTHING but I will ARGUE about it with EVERYONE for another 26 pages!!!!!!!!!


EDIT----DAMMIT ISJ BEAT ME TO IT

[edit on 14-6-2006 by Tiloke]


ISJ

posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by Tiloke

Oh my god look at that bird, its going BEHIND the shuttle!!!!!!!!!!



Some of those birds, err I mean UFO's (as we cannot fully identify them 100%)
are actually flying in the main Shuttle Blast



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
OK, so then you believe the objects ARE 11,500 feet in the air?

In fact, I hardly believe they are MUCH more closer. The eye can be so easily tricked!



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 05:48 AM
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serious. my methods of measurement DO include factors of perspective.. while your joke posts clearly ignore perspective. The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

maybe you get it now?


Originally posted by ISJ
Hang on you cant make out the Shuttle in that pic, and you to try to ask us to find a bird ??


Thats almost exactly what i said when i saw the UFO in the video. Except i said...

"Hang on, you cant make out the Shuttle in that pic, but i can see a bird??" Thats, what made me believe it is not a bird.



how many times do i have to post this video of the objects entering the plume of smoke? media.putfile.com...

The last 5 seconds or so, the 3 objects disapear into the plume of smoke WHILE THEY ARE FLYING PERPENDICULAR TO THE CAMERA.


Originally posted by ISJ
If I requested a Maths lesson, then i dont remeber it




YOU NEED A MATH LESSON.


[edit on 14-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]


ISJ

posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by LAES YVAN
The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

maybe you get it now?



Oh! Now that your repeating it.......................... NO


Originally posted by LAES YVAN
YOU NEED A MATH LESSON.



Ahh, I se you are resorting to personal attacks again.




This still settles nothing, you cannot say that your guaging of the sizes of objects from other objects accounts for perspective, you even say yourself the Shuttle doesn't go directly up, and its flight path is constantly changind/bending.

You can't gauge accuratly the size, height, speed, movement or anything else!

You also simply wont agree to see logic IMO



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by ISJ
The only reason i use the plume of smoke to measure the objects is because the objects fly through the plume.

The quality of the video gives you this impression but in fact they're not flying through.

[edit on 14-6-2006 by D1ssient]



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by D1ssient
The quality of the video gives you this impression but in fact they're not flying through.


IN FACT????????????????

My God, there are many things I want to say about you, and your IQ right now.

Please.. with your infinite knowledge, explain to me how fast the objects are moving. I know 3 ways to do it. Please, tell me, how fast are the objects moving, if say, these objects were birds... IT IS POSSIBLE. Please do, and post back your answer.



[edit on 14-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]



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