Unnoticed Flying Objects During Shuttle Launch *new*

20 foot birds you say?!?! no...

Highly likely. birding.about.com...
We have them here in Florida in abundance. Also buzzards(vultures). Which if you bothered to do any research you'd know can easily reach wing spans of 20 feet.

Btw how do you know that plume is 100 feet?

So what do you call someone that wont except truth ?

Originally posted by longhaircowboy

20 foot birds you say?!?! no...

Highly likely. birding.about.com...
We have them here in Florida in abundance. Also buzzards(vultures). Which if you bothered to do any research you'd know can easily reach wing spans of 20 feet.

Btw how do you know that plume is 100 feet?

I thought i did do my research and i was told the largest bird's wing span can only reach 9 or 10 feet. Please show me the exact location where it says 20feet.

And i already went over the exhaust size, you must read the WHOLE thread to understand.



B.T.W. the plume expands over time, so it very well may be larger than 100 feet.

Originally posted by imbalanced
So what do you call someone that wont except truth ?

Call them smart. Don't trust anybody. Seek truth yourself, dont just accept it from others.


[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
I believe they mean that 97% of the visual plume from the shuttle is water vapor. It doesn't mean it doesn't give off a lethal amount of chemicals, which any normal bird would quickly avoid.

There is nothing said about "97% of the visual plume". It says the Shuttle exhaust is around 97% Water.

I've known that for years but I looked it up on a NASA site just for you.

I don't know who told you that about birds but they should stick to something they know a thing or two about. There are quite a few birds that attain large wingspans and are native to Florida. Just click the link I provided or since your too lazy maybe your bird specialist could try it. Also check the Great Heron or what we refer to as the Snowy Egret. Their wingspans are well over 9 or 10feet when mature.

B.T.W. the plume expands over time, so it very well may be larger that 100 feet.

Care to shoot yerself in the foot again? Wanna borrow a gun?

Originally posted by lost_shaman

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
I believe they mean that 97% of the visual plume from the shuttle is water vapor. It doesn't mean it doesn't give off a lethal amount of chemicals, which any normal bird would quickly avoid.

There is nothing said about "97% of the visual plume". It says the Shuttle exhaust is around 97% Water.

I've known that for years but I looked it up on a NASA site just for you.

the only reason they say it is 97% water vapor is because the exhaust is so HOT that is creates the water vapor instantaneously. Technically the water isn't coming from the exhaust but already exists in the air. Much like how water vapor comes from commercial jets when they are flying high altitudes. If the commercial jets had hotter jets, it would have the same 97% of water vapor exhaust.



It is a fact that chemicals being burned and exiting out of the rockets are lethal when inhaled. Even if it is 3% of 145044 gallons of liquid hydrogen fumes.

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
I don't know who told you that about birds but they should stick to something they know a thing or two about. There are quite a few birds that attain large wingspans and are native to Florida. Just click the link I provided or since your too lazy maybe your bird specialist could try it. Also check the Great Heron or what we refer to as the Snowy Egret. Their wingspans are well over 9 or 10feet when mature.

B.T.W. the plume expands over time, so it very well may be larger that 100 feet.

Care to shoot yerself in the foot again? Wanna borrow a gun?

Im sorry but the Great Heron has an average wing span of 6 feet. Maybe google is wrong.. Doubt it. Point me to a web page that says 20 FEET. Your crappy link points to more links that i dont have time reading one by one..


Also.. Prove me wrong that the plume is less that 100 feet. I dare you.

LAES YVAN,

You are doing your best, and from the story that you originally told from the begining of this thread is that "There is no other News or media that do have this footage that isn't tampered with in some form or another." Which is exactly what I've been finding out little by little. It is to bad you can't get your hamd's on the NASA footage,(Untampered) but that isn't the case for your situation.

You have explained yourself thoroughly and very scincerely from the very begining as well, I do see what you are talking about and I do believe there is a lot more than any explanations of a 20' birds, flying all at the same height, come from the same exact location, follow each other in ,around and completely thru the intensely heated exhaust of a space exploration vehicle that could melt a face off of a person, let alone the feather's of a 20' bird!! I just don't know what to tell you except you are in possession of a very "Extrodinary Footage" and you should be happy you have it, you know, the pixel battle's that have been going on, on this thread? well, if those individuals can or would show me "Feather's flapping" ? I suppose that I would have to take thier side of the story. But that is not the case. You know that close up footage that one of the poster's showed earlier in this thread? Well, you hit the nail on the head when you commented that they only prooved you right about the flight thru the contrails, MMmmmmmmm....NAH!! Those aren't bird's , they aren't bat's and I dont think there are to many "Teradactyls" around any longer, and even if they were , they probably wouldn't be able to handle the heat of the exhaust of the shuttle, and for as far as the size of the plume, "I would have to say it's bigger than a 100', at least 150' or so", I really don't have a way to prove it, but the eye is balanced on a still frame photo and it look's to be almost 2X's the shuttle gerth.

Originally posted by Allred5923
LAES YVAN,
You are doing your best

T.Y.

One way you can measure the width of the plume is take the measurements of the shuttle and compere them to the plume. The wing span of the shuttle is 78 feet. Clearly the plume is larger than 78 feet by many feet. Also, the shuttle is 122 feet long. Take a copy of the shuttle and rotate it horizontally, and you will find the plume may even reach 122 feet.

Very crude, but you get a good guesstimate.




[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

I watchedt he video about 10 times now, and all I see are birds. The "UFOs" are 3 birds, below the clouds, which the exhaust plume goes behind. It is all about perspective looking like the "UFOs" are going into the plume, but they are no where near it. definately well infront of the plume and below the clouds. The birds turn, and become barely visible. Nothing but birds sorry.

Originally posted by LAES YVAN


the only reason they say it is 97% water vapor is because the exhaust is so HOT that is creates the water vapor instantaneously. Technically the water isn't coming from the exhaust but already exists in the air.

It is a fact that chemicals being burned and exiting out of the rockets are lethal when inhaled. Even if it is 3% of 145044 gallons of liquid hydrogen fumes.

Hydrogen and Oxygen burned together produce water. I'm sorry but that is totally diferent than contrails from jet engine exhausts.

The Solid Rocket Boosters produce some Aluminum Oxide and some hydrochloric acid , but its not enough to kill Humans or Birds.

Ecological impact minimal Experts: Nature quickly rebounds from launches

Here is a quote from that link you provided.

Critter casualties are light and local.

That means animals ARE dieing from them fumes, and they most likely are not directly in the path, like the objects clearly were.

Originally posted by PittsburghMike
I watchedt he video about 10 times now, and all I see are birds. The "UFOs" are 3 birds, below the clouds, which the exhaust plume goes behind. It is all about perspective looking like the "UFOs" are going into the plume, but they are no where near it. definately well infront of the plume and below the clouds. The birds turn, and become barely visible. Nothing but birds sorry.

We have video that the objects DO fly in and out of the plume. That is why they seem to be disapearing in it, also why they seem to be turning around it like first base in baseball.


[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

Hydrogen and Oxygen burned together produce water. I'm sorry but that is totally diferent than contrails from jet engine exhausts.

The Solid Rocket Boosters produce some Aluminum Oxide and some hydrochloric acid , but its not enough to kill Humans or Birds.

Ecological impact minimal Experts: Nature quickly rebounds from launches

lost_shaman,

I wasn't even talking about the chemical reactions that occur during a take off, I was talking of the intense tempratures that are at the base of the solid rocket booster's, the heat is tremenous and there is not one living thing that would even get close to it , even after lift off, why is that so hard to understand?

LAES YVAN - My hats off to you. I never would have believed anyone could have milked this many points out of this post. Now that you have baited the PETA crowd this post could go on for another 20 pages. Brilliant!

Whats PETA ? That sounds intersting ?? LOLOLOLOLOL

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Here is a quote from that link you provided.


" Critter casualties are light and local."


That means animals ARE dieing from them fumes, and they most likely are not directly in the path, like the objects clearly were.

Yes , but they also kicked off the piece saying ...

Lingering rabbits, armadillos and frogs face instant cremation.

IF they are bird's that could with stand the temp's of the booster's, then why , when they "Bank and create Yaw" do they go caotic and all of a sudden go into a directed path of controlled flight , that is after they go thru the exhaust, and disappear into the cloud that they initially came from? I mean , if they were bird's and they did decide to bank, you would see the tip's of thier wigs give to the force of centrifigal and upward forces?

This video here shows the objects going in and out of the clouds/plume.

media.putfile.com...

I tried to check out the most recent video that you posted, but couldn't get a picture?

Actually , I didn't even need to see it, you see what you are talking about on the first clip you supplied.

Like you said before, and as I agreed before, if you grab the tracking bar and slow it down, the object's definately go thru the plume, without a doubt. I tried to catch the object's by zoom and cut, but I had no luck, is there a way to do it from this video?

Originally posted by Allred5923
I tried to check out the most recent video that you posted, but couldn't get a picture?

That's too bad because its actually the best clip so far that shows these are Turkey Vultures.

What your seeing is the camera can not focus on the Birds in the foreground and the Auto Focus of the camera is trying to focus between the clouds and the Plume. It is this that causes the birds to disappear from the shot. It is just unfortunate that this is happening near the plume giving some the illusion that the Birds are traveling through the plume.

Its all perspective , digital camera , and Turkey Vultures.