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The Truth part 2

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posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 01:57 AM
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We are running out of time. This is the most important time in recorded history- now is the time to make changes. I wish I knew how to let you see that.

And as for The_Doctor talking about MJ-12... yes, they do run the show. Who has the connection to the Grey's, the Bilderberg group? BG is a NWO front, yes I agree- however the real top dogs I have already named.




posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 02:08 AM
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Somehow I knew you would say something like that regarding MJ-12.

I have had the fortune of reading many documents including most of the MJ-12 stuff I can get my hands on not one of those papers even mentions the greys, NWO or even even established contact with an outer worldly species as you claim.

Can you proove what you say is true, I mean if you know what you say to be fact why not show everyone the smoking gun. Or are you just hoping that people will fall for your cult.

Face fact for a change and come to the realization that advanced civilizations going back thousands of years here on easrth beleived that end times would happen within their life time. You are no different then these people. You are a fatalist to sum it up into one word.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by The_Doctor
Somehow I knew you would say something like that regarding MJ-12.

I have had the fortune of reading many documents including most of the MJ-12 stuff I can get my hands on not one of those papers even mentions the greys, NWO or even even established contact with an outer worldly species as you claim.

Can you proove what you say is true, I mean if you know what you say to be fact why not show everyone the smoking gun. Or are you just hoping that people will fall for your cult.

Face fact for a change and come to the realization that advanced civilizations going back thousands of years here on easrth beleived that end times would happen within their life time. You are no different then these people. You are a fatalist to sum it up into one word.


Join the Church of Scientology and he'll show you all the facts in his books by L. R. Hubbard!!11one.




posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 02:24 AM
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I would but I do not feel like pouring my money into someone elses pocket with out getting something 'REAL' in return.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 06:09 AM
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Yes, this thread is pretty fascinating. Especially so the exchanges between Duzey and jaguarmike.

jaguarmike, you mentioned that you saw the OTIII materials on a website about a year ago. Does the church know about this? If so, what was their reaction?

Do they also know about you communicating with "SPs" (at least as you see them) on this board?

My first reactions to your posts were that you were doing a Liability Formula. Second was that you work or volunteer for OSA (a Scn. group - "Office of Special Affairs" for those new to the topic of Scientology).

I'll leave it at that for now, except to say - listen to Duzey. Methinks she speeks sooth.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 06:33 AM
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Your Attempted recruitment "style" is on par with pretty much all of the scams I've seen in my life.

1. There is a big secret that you dont know about.

2. The ONLY way to help your self is to do what I say.

3. I cant show you the whole truth right now.

4. You have to hurry because time is short.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 01:41 AM
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If only I could show you what I know and have seen...



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 01:46 AM
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"If only I could show you what I know and have seen..."

you keep repeating your self....

Why don't you just let this thread die the death is deserves already. Like seriously most of us clearly don't buy anything you say nor will we ever...



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by The_Doctor
"If only I could show you what I know and have seen..."

you keep repeating your self....

Why don't you just let this thread die the death is deserves already. Like seriously most of us clearly don't buy anything you say nor will we ever...



And that is where it ends with you.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 02:52 AM
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Okay, lets let this die now. It's old, and no one here is buying it (as said above).



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 07:52 AM
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Why dont you just tell us the big secret already , or in about an hour I'll post scientologies "big secret" for you..........

p.s. by the way how much will it cost us to get "pure"???



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Tiloke
Why dont you just tell us the big secret already , or in about an hour I'll post scientologies "big secret" for you..........

p.s. by the way how much will it cost us to get "pure"???


Thousands of dollars, probably. If I read correctly, back in the 80s it cost about $300 per session or something.

I don't remember. Heh.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Tiloke
Why dont you just tell us the big secret already , or in about an hour I'll post scientologies "big secret" for you..........

p.s. by the way how much will it cost us to get "pure"???


Thousands of dollars, probably. If I read correctly, back in the 80s it cost about $300 per session or something.

I don't remember. Heh.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Tiloke
Why dont you just tell us the big secret already , or in about an hour I'll post scientologies "big secret" for you..........

p.s. by the way how much will it cost us to get "pure"???



I already told you the "big secret" and your "big secret", you mean your stolen OT3 stuff... it goes up to OT8 almost at OT9 now.


I already explained everything in my post's, you need to go to your local Church of Scientology.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 04:46 PM
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HAHAHAHA I wish I could be there the moment you find out that Scientology is a big scam... Don't waste your time with this stupid cult. It's nothing more than a fake religion that lures you in by telling you you're not pure or w/e and then they brainwash you and once you find out the "absolute truth" you're so dead in the head that you can't even realize its a bunch of hogwash. I almost feel sorry for you Jaguarmike. Almost.



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 05:19 PM
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It's Jupiter... J.U.P.I.T.E.R

en.wikipedia.org...(planet)

---- Sorry, but if I'am to be preached to, at least make sure you have all bases covered......

Anyway,

I like the idea of a soul processing plant though, I can imagine what it's like at lunchtime:

Ethereal Worker 1 "I processed Hitler today"

Ethereal Worker 2 "What's he coming back as ?"

Ethereal Worker 1 "I can't decide between J'vost, Destroyer of Worlds in the Outer Rim of N'Telik or a fluffy Kitten"



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[edit on 18-6-2006 by timb3r]



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 07:18 PM
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"I already told you the "big secret" and your "big secret", you mean your stolen OT3 stuff... it goes up to OT8 almost at OT9 now.


I already explained everything in my post's, you need to go to your local Church of Scientology."

But before we do make sure they accept VISA or Master Card right.....



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 07:31 PM
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After reading this thread for the better part of an hour I have a few comments to make.

First of all, if your intentions are truly to enlighten people and not just make money for Scientology then I applaud you Mike. Anyone that can think in a new and/or different manner that leads to advancement of our race is a-ok in my book.

I think some of your points could be true, and that others are totally implausible. But there are 3 main points you've made that make me have a (more) serious problem with Scientology.

1) The numbers game.

You say that 2.5% of the population are suppressives and will never be able to accept Scn. You accused Gemwolf of being one. I don't understand how someone can come up with a definite figure like that. First of all there are far many more people in the world right now that share a similar view with Gemwolf. True, they may not be educated in Scn enough and they might be able to achieve "clear" if they decide to do so. But how can you tell Gemwolf is a suppressive? How can you tell I am not? I am willing to accept the ideas, but having read the Scientology Handbook I am not interested in following every single detail of the religion. Especially ...

2) The good ol' money thing.

If everyone in Scn is trying to achieve a world full of peace and enlightenment, why must we pay for it? You even said yourself that the info and tech is out there for free, but that you have a much lower success rate with that info. Why is that? How can money come into play with regards to enlightenment at all? After all ...

3) Ideas are ideas.

If I believe everying you pointed out in your first post and I can perform every action that an OT8 can perform, yet I give the big ol' middle finger to the church and call them a bunch of money-craving lunatics, what does your religion say about that? I think you need to ask your fellow scientologists about that one ... I've asked a few and the answered suprised me at the very least.

[edit on 18-6-2006 by Fiverz]



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Fiverz
After reading this thread for the better part of an hour I have a few comments to make.

First of all, if your intentions are truly to enlighten people and not just make money for Scientology then I applaud you Mike. Anyone that can think in a new and/or different manner that leads to advancement of our race is a-ok in my book.

I think some of your points could be true, and that others are totally implausible. But there are 3 main points you've made that make me have a (more) serious problem with Scientology.

1) The numbers game.

You say that 2.5% of the population are suppressives and will never be able to accept Scn. You accused Gemwolf of being one. I don't understand how someone can come up with a definite figure like that. First of all there are far many more people in the world right now that share a similar view with Gemwolf. True, they may not be educated in Scn enough and they might be able to achieve "clear" if they decide to do so. But how can you tell Gemwolf is a suppressive? How can you tell I am not? I am willing to accept the ideas, but having read the Scientology Handbook I am not interested in following every single detail of the religion. Especially ...

2) The good ol' money thing.

If everyone in Scn is trying to achieve a world full of peace and enlightenment, why must we pay for it? You even said yourself that the info and tech is out there for free, but that you have a much lower success rate with that info. Why is that? How can money come into play with regards to enlightenment at all? After all ...

3) Ideas are ideas.

If I believe everying you pointed out in your first post and I can perform every action that an OT8 can perform, yet I give the big ol' middle finger to the church and call them a bunch of money-craving lunatics, what does your religion say about that? I think you need to ask your fellow scientologists about that one ... I've asked a few and the answered suprised me at the very least.

[edit on 18-6-2006 by Fiverz]



I really enjoy these questions, they are the best questions yet but they are a result of me not getting my point across clearly. This is the biggest thread i've ever taken on before, so bear with me lol.

1) As for 2.5% of people being inately suppressive, this doesn't mean they are alone in the jungle. 20% of any population will be PTS to that suppressive person, suppressive group, etc. When someone goes PTS, they might act like a suppressive, think like one, talk like one, be caved in emotionally and mentally, commit suicide (all suicides are a result of a suppressive driving that person under before the person realized who it was), and so on. My best example, would be the bullies in high school. Normally there is one guy who is the leader, and then he has his followers that he yells at and keeps in line when they act "overboard" or not mean enough. This thread has a very high 20% influnence, with Eteric Rice being the main SP. The_Doctor has had some self-doubt statements so is probably very PTS, or he is acting covert... I don't know, I don't care (at this moment). My cause is getting the information to all of you, because i'm scared shytless about what is coming in the next few years for humanity.

2) Money thing... In Scientology you are handling and taking responsibility for your case... your case is all your problems, difficulties, experiences, strong points, great points, etc. Doing this task of handling your case takes many people to help an individual. This is not like some person is going to make it all the way up to OT by themselves... this has never happend in history. People in history have only made it up to clear by themselves... and you can look at people like Jesus Christ, Mohommad, Buddha, and a few others. In order to do this and have your case be properly handled, you need personnel. These people make hardly anything, but yet work anyway and work harder than most people. Some of the most professional people i've met work in Scientology Missions and Orgs (but I have to say one Mission in particular sticks out). Running any organization requires oodles of money. SP's have a tight control on the planet, and battling them is very costly. I hope this answers your question.

3) You already having OT8 abilities... if this is true, and you are not just probing me for an answer, I would say congradulations. Then, I would say why aren't you being ethical with your power and helping others do this ALL THE TIME. If you were OT8, why can't you just read the mind of a Scientologist to get the truths? Why do you need to ask me what I believe if you are operating as an OT8? You should already know every... single... thing I preach. I won't invalidate you and say you aren't OT8... just know there is something not complete if what I say above is true to your life, and I advise you to fill in the missing gaps... and buy The Scientology Handbook.


And not to be a jerk, but while you're at it with the OT8 abilities, can you paleeeez freeze my icecube tray now, I just put the water in and it'll take at least an hour before its frozen, but i'm making margaritas in like 20 minutes. Help a brotha out? lol

[edit on 18-6-2006 by jaguarmike]



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by jaguarmike
This thread has a very high 20% influnence, with Eteric Rice being the main SP. The_Doctor has had some self-doubt statements so is probably very PTS, or he is acting covert... I don't know, I don't care (at this moment). My cause is getting the information to all of you, because i'm scared shytless about what is coming in the next few years for humanity.


That's the point I am trying to make ... you say there's even a 20% influence but how are you coming up with these numbers? There seems to be alot more negativity in this thread towards your ideas than that. Also, people's words on an internet forum can have major, little, or no bearing on their actual beliefs and personalities. Even if those in Scn have an inate ability to discern suppressives from non-suppressives through personal interaction, stating that someone is based on a few posts on an internet thread would seem to be impossible to me.


Originally posted by jaguarmike
In order to do this and have your case be properly handled, you need personnel. These people make hardly anything, but yet work anyway and work harder than most people. Some of the most professional people i've met work in Scientology Missions and Orgs (but I have to say one Mission in particular sticks out). Running any organization requires oodles of money. SP's have a tight control on the planet, and battling them is very costly. I hope this answers your question.


So you're saying that if the church has millions of dollars it will be easier to remove "SP" influence from the world? How is that possible? Buying people off?



Originally posted by jaguarmike
You already having OT8 abilities... if this is true, and you are not just probing me for an answer, I would say congradulations.


I was just saying you should propose that question to those above you in your religion. Their answer might have you rethink everything.


Originally posted by jaguarmike
Then, I would say why aren't you being ethical with your power and helping others do this ALL THE TIME.


This is my exact point. Why do I need to follow Tom Cruise and RLH and give the church huge sums of money if I can do all these things? And seeing as most of the tech is on the web, assuming someone could achieve the same levels is plausible.

So if your ideals are good, and anyone can truly find them and work at meeting them, why do they need to give you large sums of money for it? Seems to be much more ethical to do things on my own and much more helping to donate my money to those who are too poor to carry on themselves. This is why people refer to it as a scam ... I'd say it's not necessarily a scam, but nothing more than a large business venture built around some unique philosophies and a few good ideals. Just my two cents.



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