but, be fair: it would be a fairly simple job for a reasonably knowledgeable person to construct a similar diatribe against Christianity.
I have no brief for Islam; but I will still maintain that it is individuals not scriptures that do these dreadful things.
I could quite easily hate the people who do these things; but I would do well to restrain myself from therefore hating the religion.
On the other hand, I could learn to hate the people who put this poison on the Internet.

Estragon, I hate the fundamentalists. Because they are dangerous for everybody, even for the "normal "muslim who's not crazy like them.

It's true, all fundamentalists are nuts. But we are not in war with any Christians fundamentalists. Christians fundamentalists don't crash airplanes on towers, don't put bomb in schools and so on....

But I can tell you this : If I see a Christian fundamentalist who want to put a bomb somewhere, or killing someone, " just " because he's not like him, I'll shoot him !!!

These are very sad images and yes it is difficult at best to consolidate a system of belief. Who's intent is Love and Peace to all into this behavior. But that is what extremist do and that is why such ideologies present a threat to life as we understand it. Especially given the potential of Technology.

"But I can tell you this : If I see a Christian fundamentalist who want to put a bomb somewhere, or killing someone, " just " because he's not like him, I'll shoot him !!!"

So I guess that'll be you on the grassy Noll aiming at Bush then.

"Bush is not a terrorist. Bush try to protect freeworld from terrorism. "

3000 civillians dead in the wtc
6000 civillians dead in afghanistan
and now he's looking at bombing Iraq, a country allready devestated by crippeling sanctions and war, an action that will certainly lead to even more civillian casualties

sorry UP but when the police start killing more civillians than the criminals I for one start wondering whether their methods might be a little bizarre.....as I believe we recently witnessed in Russia.

whilst back home, your own people snipe the innocent and walk into schools to blow away students as the terrorists he is attempting to save us from continue to blow up buildings in bali and shoot government officials.


Sorry but I don't really feal all that protected at the moment. Glad you do.


as for my "answer" I'm glad your waiting for it but having read your post I cannot percieve and obvious "question"

I dont think GWB is responsible for the WTC attacks but the FBI and CIA are.

They may not have flown the planes themselves but they allowed it to hapen for control of the opium fields in afganistan.

The taliban were to cut opium production by 90% before the attacks.

Well the CIA and FBI cant make any money importing opium and heroin into the country without one of the worlds biggest opium producers at full force.

The only way america could drum up the suport for the war to stop the taliban from cuttin production was to let somthing awful like 9-11 hapen.

And yea russia killed a whole bunch of innocent people to prtect there interests, whos suprised? Not me.

That is an outrageous claim where are your resources and references to support such slander?

The CIA and FBI most certainly don't make money off of importing drugs, if so do show me their budget or something that shows this heinous profiteering.

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Oh no problem ill just run out get get the paper work for there drug trafficing, are you dense?

It makes perfect sense, there were plently of articles explaining how the taliban were going to cut opium production by 90%, just only a few people put that and wtc together.

And if you dont think the govt agencys are importing drugs why do you think the war on drugs is such a failure, if they were to win/stop the war on drugs and tax them/erradicate instead of making it a crime then they would loose way more money than they would gain.

Think about this, how much money goes into the war on drugs, about 3 billion a year on top of other agencys not directly related, and on top of that there making tons of money selling the very drugs the confiscate from people, plus the prison growth industry profits greatly from the drug war, and again on top of that organized crime is easily keeping drugs illegal for there own profits. Many many other people profit from the importation of drugs by the FBI and CIA.

So the govt agencys are flippin out about this opium thing right? They cant very well make money off of somthing that isnt there, so whats this? The very country that is #ing over the CIA and FBI are planning very horrible attacks on the US, well why dont the CIA and FBI just let them hapen and play dumb.

Everything was set up so perfectly, the US got attacked and so the govt made up MR Osama bin laden to drum up suport for a war they knew the people would never agree with without some "evil doer figurehead" whom despite ET technology and millions of people, we cant seem to find.

So the Govt got the taliban out of power and got there opium back, and what bloody opium it is, everyone who has died as a result of the amerikkan alphabet soup allowing the attacks to hapen, there blood is on the drugs that are imported into the country by our very own agencys who are suposed to be fighting a crooked war against them.

Call me crazy but you cant really say this isnt possible if not outright dead on.

Its the FBI and CIA's fault all those people are dead and you know it.

...Not to mention the reports (true or not) that Bush *intentionally* & *personally* ordered the military airbases to "stand down" during the exact timeframe of the hijackings...Against *all* standard SOP...While he (Bush) went to a grade school to read stories to the kids...

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
...Not to mention the reports (true or not) that Bush *intentionally* & *personally* ordered the military airbases to "stand down" during the exact timeframe of the hijackings...Against *all* standard

HU ????? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ???????

What are talking about MD ?

FBI & US military were warned about those attacks, pegged down to the day, the type of attack & even a pretty accurate list of potential targets...Months before they took place. Many of these warnings were given by allied countries.

I don't remember the links, but they're floating around somewhere in the ATS forums...That reported that the Air Guard stationed along that section of the East Coast were ordered to ground all planes & stand down when it was learned from the FAA that some planes were hijacked. This is while the planes were *in the air & the pilots were not responding to their radios*. Standard SOP for those airbases required having planes patroling 24/7, but they were all grounded, under orders, during the same timeframe as the attacks. Those 9/11 attacks were a surprise only to the American public...The US government *used* those attacks to justify their own greedy goals & did nothing to prevent those attacks; Those reports indicate that the US government actually *helped* those attacks to succeed!

If those reports have any truth to them, then this would make Bush (& any other military commander involved in that incident) guilty of mass murder, conspiracy to commit mass murder & subsequently, inciting the American public to start a war...All because one of Bush's goals is to control those oil supplies.


[Edited on 31-10-2002 by MidnightDStroyer]

MD, I can't believe it. Sorry.

It's sound to much like propaganda.

Even if Bush himself didn't give the order to stand down, he's still ultimately *responsible* for the actions of the military...He *is* the Commander-in-Chief.

Sorry, but I don't have time to track down those links I mentioned...But unless the hacker deleted them, they're still floating around here.

MD in a normal Hijacking, the procedure may in fact be designed so as not to provoke a hijacker. Therefore the grounding of military aircraft, avoids provoking. What most of the time is
a situation. In which diplomacy, is the first step as well as the most reasonable course of action.




[Edited on 1-11-2002 by Toltec]

..That ive been thinking about, if you were on a plane with hijackers, youd have to know you werent getting out of it alive...so why not fight back, even if they said they had a bomb, well there probably going to blow it up anyway you might as well at least TRY and stop them.

I dont understand how a plane full of people couldnt stop some stupid ass sand people, and then the people who did try and stop them, the plane went down, I mean they had box cutters, comeone, I could take a cut with a box cutter in exchange for actually living to see it through.

Its just doesnt make sense.

the age old question.
why did the Jews stand in line for the gas chambers knowing they were going to die.

Its not about the size of your knife, its about authority. When somone takes it, its almost impossible to fight back.

I for one suspect I'd probably be pretty ineffectual, and although I'm sure that will produce a resounding gung ho shriek of "I wouldn't take no # I'd arse whoop them" consider for a moment how many people on those planes could have done somthing and didn't, are you really so different from them that you'd see it through?

..I actually just have a hudge problem with authority, so I am different from most of those people on those planes, so regardless of what would have hapend I would have fought to the death. I know its big talk from someone who wasnt there but im pretty secure in knowing what I would do.

But then I remember, people in this country feel the need to drive 20 miles an hour in the rain on the highway.

If people in this country are that scared of rain, why should I think theyd fight some sand spicks for there own lives.

And the nazi metephore doesnt really apply, its kind of hard for some jews to kick an armys ass, this was a plane full of people vs. 5(?) very lightly armed people.

The odds were very heavily in favor of the people on the plane, but they choose to allow thousands to die because they were weak.