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Graham Hancock is one of the best researchers

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posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 06:40 PM
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Here's a video with Graham Hancock in it, explaining the basics of history and research,
video.google.com...

Has anyone read his books or seen him on tv?

Here's Graham Hancock's site with a good introduction
www.grahamhancock.com...



Between 17,000 years ago and 7000 years ago, at the end of the last Ice Age, terrible things happened to the world our ancestors lived in. Great ice caps over northern Europe and north America melted down, huge floods ripped across the earth, sea-level rose by more than 100 metres, and about 25 million square kilometres of formerly habitable lands were swallowed up by the waves.

Marine archaeology has been possible as a scholarly discipline for about 50 years - since the introduction of scuba. In that time, according to Nick Flemming, the doyen of British marine archaeology, only 500 submerged sites have been found worldwide containing the remains of any form of man-made structure or of lithic artefacts. Of these sites only 100 - that's 100 in the whole world! - are more than 3000 years old.

This is not because of a shortage of potential sites. It is at least partly because a large share of the limited funds available for marine archaeology goes into the discovery and excavation of shipwrecks. This leaves a shortage of diving archaeologists interested in underwater structures and a shortage of money to pay for the extremely expensive business of searching - possibly fruitlessly - for very ancient, eroded, silt-covered ruins at great depths under water. Moreover, with the recent exception of Bob Ballard's survey of the Black Sea for the National Geographic Society, marine archaeology has simply not concerned itself with the possibility that the post-glacial floods might in any way be connected to the problem of the rise of civilisations. ( www.ngnews.com... )

In 1997 a chain of mountains almost 2000 kilometres long and more than 3000 metres high was discovered in the South Pacific. Nobody ever knew the mountains were there before because they are under water - as, in fact, is 70 per cent of the earth's surface. Marine archaeologists -- who are looking for targets much smaller than mountain-ranges under the sea -- can therefore be forgiven for finding just 100 submerged sites more than 3000 years old in the past half century. Even at the crude mapping level, it is one of the absurdities of scientific priorities that we now have a better map of the surface of Venus than we do of the 225 million square kilometres of our own planet's sea-floor.

On land it is obvious that archaeology still has much more work to do before it can honestly claim to have fully understood (rather than merely theorised about) the process by which the great civilisations of ancient history arose. Vast areas of the earth's surface - the Sahara Desert, for example (which was green for 4000 years at the end of the Ice Age) - have hardly benefited from the attentions of archaeologists at all. And even in countries like Egypt which have been intensively excavated for more than a century new discoveries can still be made that call established views and chronologies into question.


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posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 06:40 PM
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In December 2000 excavations at Abydos in Upper Egypt by a University of Pennsylvania/University of New York team demonstrated that the intriguing religious practise of boat burial - for example the so-called solar boat of Khufu buried on the south side of the Great Pyramid of Giza - is very likely to have predynastic origins. A fleet of 14 boats found buried at Abydos a decade ago were originally assigned to the mortuary complex of Pharaoh Khasekhemwy of the Second Dynasty (circa 2675 BC). However, after thoroughly examining one of the boats (a sophisticated narrow-prowed "sewn" boat about 23 metres long made of wooden planks lashed together with rope), the excavators now believe that "the ships were buried some centuries before Khasekhemwy's enclosure was built. The fleet may have been intended for use in the afterlife of a much earlier pharaoh, perhaps even Aha [circa 2920 BC], the First Dynasty ruler of Egypt..." ( www.archaeology.org... ) If this is the case, since the boat-burials at Abydos are far from being the work of beginners, then it seems obvious that the practise -- and the entire wonderful religious apparatus that goes with it -- must predate the First Dynasty.

But by how much?

Nobody knows.

Another interesting development also announced in December 2000 was the discovery of a group of very unusual ancient tombs at Elkab in Upper Egypt. The Elkab tombs are thought to date to the Second Dynasty, although the site itself has yielded evidence of continuous occupation from 8000 years ago until about 2000 years ago. The tombs are circular stone structures (with diameters of 18 to 20 metres) which in two cases were carefully arranged around large natural boulders. They have been compared with the Neolithic funeral mounds of Europe and, as the Belgian excavators admit, are of a type "thus far unknown in Egypt". ( www.usatoday.com... )

So much then for the archaeologists having the whole picture about the evolution and development of any civilisation - even ancient Egypt which has been the subject of more archaeological investigation than any other.

But now let's remember as well that along continental margins and around islands across the world an area bigger than the Unites States of America was inundated at the end of the Ice Age: 3 million square kilometres (an area the size of India) was submerged around Greater Australia alone; another 3 million square kilometres went under around South-East Asia; the Florida, Yucatan and Grand Bahama Banks were fully-exposed off the Gulf of Mexico; huge areas of land were swallowed up in the Mediterranean, the Black Sea, the North Sea and the Atlantic, etc, etc, etc - the list really does goes on and on.

In my view the possibility of a serious "black hole" in scientific knowledge about recent prehistory is plausible, reasonable and worthy of consideration. I therefore propose that the conclusions of modern archaeology regarding the origins and early evolution of human civilisation should be treated as provisional until a comprehensive, global, marine-archaeological survey of continental shelves down to depths of at least 120 metres has been undertaken.


Here are his books
www.grahamhancock.com...

He has done an incredibly successful job of challenging and pointing out the flaws of many conventional views about the past and history. He's very intelligent, knowledgable and experienced.




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posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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An interesting one is Heaven's Mirror : Quest for the Lost Civilization"



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Hancock's previous work, including the popular and controversial Fingerprints of the Gods, has drawn criticism for its leaps of faith and allegedly pseudoscientific conclusions, but Heaven's Mirror proves at least a little more substantial. His chief thesis is that numerous ancient sites and monuments--the pyramids of Mexico and Egypt, the ruins of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, the monuments of Yonaguni in the Pacific, and the megaliths of Peru and Bolivia--are situated in such a way, geodetically, that they point towards some separate and uniform influence, some lost civilization or "invisible college" of astronomer-priests. And that civilization, as evidenced in the mathematics and architecture of the sites, points towards some gnosis, or body of knowledge, that would allow humanity to transcend the trap of mortality, a worldview in which the knowledge-giving serpent of Eden is not a villain but a hero.


short clip from Heaven's Mirror
www.youtube.com...

Here is an interesting article by him:
www.grahamhancock.com...

quote from article about it


the basic theory:
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"First of all, there is a common legacy of all these world wide ancient civilizations that they do not even address. This legacy lies not in the 'modern' myth of Atlantis, but in the myths and legends of each of these civilizations which make common reference to cataclysms, especially floods, similar gods or god experiences, and precessional and other astronomically significant numbers, etc, etc. The writing, architecture, and agriculture of these ancients are by products of their development which had its roots in a lost civilization of 12000 years ago. Who today remembers his great grandfather much less thousands of years ago, yet we are subtly influenced by him in ways unknown to us. We have built our lives on the legacy of our ancestors.

A survivor of some cataclysm, say a flood, who barely escapes with his life, lands on an island that was a mountain top with little or nothing left of his former life but the knowledge and resourcefulness of how to survive. He may have used a computer or driven a car, but he can't build one nor does he have the materials. He may have organizational skills, however, and be able to bring order to a confused more primitive people who have become cannibalistic as well as chaotic as they crowd together on the top of this mountain. Although he , of course, can read and write, there is nothing to read and no one can read what he writes, so he draws pictures to communicate where language does not work. Others copy his pictures and add their own personality to them until after many millennia a system of picture writing has been established. A system used to record the memory of 'he' who taught them in the beginning.

Likewise,the use of certain building techniques spring from those first shelters that 'he' helped them build. Certain architectural styles stem from 'his' own architectural background. These are modified to fit the materials and function of their civilization.

Though 'he' probably was not keeping seeds on board 'his' boat at the time of 'his' escape, 'he' knows enough about planting to make use of the indigenous plant life in order to introduce agriculture. Most people today have a basic understanding of growing food which they could use in a time of crisis. Again 'his' agriculture would be in keeping with the resources at hand. As the years went by, everything 'he' taught them would appear as if it were developed by the people themselves.




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posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 06:42 PM
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The legacy of the ancients of the lost civilization lies in their knowledge and know-how. They imparted this to those lesser informed, then died. Some of the knowledge was retained and passed on either in myths or in functionality as in the development of structures, agriculture, and picture writing. Around the world this development would be similar, but appropriate to the area that each ancient influenced. And there was a universal symbol left by the ancients, which even school children know, --the serpent, with or without feathers."
Any "conventional" scientists who have tried to discredit him, got soundly defeated and embarassed
www.grahamhancock.com...


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In an unprecedented step, the Broadcasting Standards Commission, an organisation appointed to uphold standards and fairness in UK broadcasting, has found the BBC guilty of unfairly representing alternative history authors Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval in a programme broadcast in November of last year.

The BBC 2 programme, entitled Atlantis Reborn, was part of the flagship Horizon strand of science-oriented documentaries. The programme-makers, Bettina Lerner (series editor), Christopher Hale (director/producer), and Julian Hudson (researcher), claimed to provide a balanced and objective "testing" of unorthodox theories relating to the development of human civilisation. Now the Broadcasting Standards Commission has judged that the central part of their attack on Hancock and Bauval was unfair. It appears this is the first time in Horizon's 35-year history that it has been found guilty of unfairness by an independent commission. The BSC's finding is therefore a severe blow to Horizon's well-established reputation for even-handedness.


Graham Hancock has raised many issues ignored by conventional scientists. He has done a good job of challenging the commonly held beliefs, and has withstood and answered scrutiny. His work is definitley based in reality and facts. It shows there are lost civilizations far back in history long before how far the current understanding goes.

I remember a show where he showed that the bimini road blocks, are all raised above the sea floor about 6 inches, by almost cone shaped( but stable, not pointed on the end) pillars at each corner. That doesn't look natural. He pointed out that the geologists who claimed it was natural did not even probably look underneath the blocks, or completely ignored that part.

The Underworld show showed, that at least some of them, are still propped above the ground by stones at the corners. WHy? Well, it would be a mystery then, like stonehenge

And even though this article claims there are no blocks placed on top of each other at bimini, I saw on the Underworld show that there are smaller pillar blocks placed underneath at the corners, almost holding the main blocks off the ground by several inches. There' also the fact that geologists themselves can't even agree on the age.
www.intersurf.com...

Article on how the Sketptics made a hoax to claim it was only natural formations
www.mysterious-america.net...


in like 10,000 years a lot of things are going to just simply disappear, or perhaps be only known in a few small traditions.

There are also some interesting above water sites around the bimini area. Ones that were not first discovered by archaeologists, but by the ARE( association of research and enlightenment) organization.


edgarcayce.org...



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posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 06:44 PM
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He also showed there are clear cut man made archways, with astrological alignments underwater near Malta. The art around Malta is very similar to stone age, spiral-like art. There were teeth found near malta in a cave layer only possible at 12,000 years ago. Many skulls or skeletons from that cave mysteriously dissapeared and have never been dated. And then he found underwater clear cut archways and temples at Malta.


We know ancient cultures were very concerned with Feng Shui and astronomy, Grahan Hancock I'm sure is correct in his theories, as they are quite detailed and clearly documented with evidence, and the fact I just said, Feng Shui is a big part of ancient knowledge in many cultures.

Another thing that shows his knowledge, the Yonaguni megalith. 10 years ago several scientist who examined it thought it was natural, or maybe only altered by humans. Dr. Robert Schoch and John Anthony West thought it was natural upon first examination. However, even higher level scientists like Dr. Kimura stated, and risked their reputatiopn in stating it was man-made. Graham Hanock also thought it was man made, I believe. Now, with the newer discoveries of the giant statue and standium in another area nearby, I don't think many people think it's natural anymore

Here's a short video showing the similarities between South American sites and teh Yonaguni site
www.wonder-okinawa.jp...

Here's a really good article on it-
www.pureinsight.org...

Here's a site with a lot of info an various underwater meagaliths including the "Bimini Road"
www.altarcheologie.nl...



posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 06:45 PM
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And his new work coming out October 2005, it's about altered states of conciousness and "Shamanism"-
www.grahamhancock.com...

Short video clip of an interview with Graham Hancock
www.youtube.com...


Release date October 2005
www.grahamhancock.com...


[“Supernatural: Due to or manifesting some agency above the forces of nature, outside of the ordinary operation of cause and effect.”]
Supernatural

* The evolution of modern humans has taken more than five million years but until less than 50,000 years ago we had no art, no religion, no sophisticated symbolism, no creative and innovative thinking, and quite possibly no language. Then, a dramatic and electrifying change overtook our ancestors in every part of the globe, and all the skills and qualities that we value most highly in ourselves today appeared suddenly, already fully formed, as though bestowed on us by hidden powers. Scientists describe this change as “the greatest riddle in human history”.
* The first art of mankind, in the painted caves and rock-shelters of southwest Europe and South Africa, dates back to the time of the great change. Why do these ancient paintings, tens of thousands of years old, depict beings of a kind that are never found in nature – strange and eerie hybrids with the heads of animals and the bodies of humans?
* In the depths of the Amazon rainforest tribal shamans drink a powerful hallucinogenic brew called Ayahuasca (“the vine of souls”) in order to induce visions. When they return to normal consciousness, after experiencing what they believe is out-of-body travel in the spirit world, they make paintings of the “intelligent beings” they have encountered. Why are many of these beings also depicted as uncanny hybrids with the heads of animals or serpents and the bodies of humans? And why do the shamans say that they have taught them everything they know about how to live in the jungle, and about the medicinal value of rainforest plants?
* Why do Western lab volunteers, placed experimentally under the influence of hallucinogens such as '___', psilocybin, mescaline and '___', report visionary encounters with “beings” in the form of animal-human hybrids – beings identical to those the Amazonian shamans claim to meet and to those painted by our ancestors in the prehistoric caves?
* What is the significance of the astonishing similarities between the entities known as “aliens”, ET’s” or “greys” in modern popular culture, the entities known as “fairies”, “elves” and “goblins” in the Middle Ages, and the entities that shamans in surviving tribal cultures know as “ghosts”, “gods” and “spirits”? Why are such figures depicted in prehistoric art as far afield as Africa, Europe, the Americas and Australia?
* Why have eminent scientists at the cutting edge of consciousness research, especially those who study the ways that hallucinogens work in the brain, recently begun to question long-established theories about the nature of reality? Why are some now even ready to consider the possibility, long ago embraced by shamans, that, far from being “false perceptions”, what we see in the strange imagery and experiences of hallucinations may be real perceptions of other “dimensions” and the beings inhabiting them?
* Why did Nobel Prize-winner Francis Crick keep concealed until his death the astonishing circumstances under which he first “saw” the double-helix structure of DNA? And why did he become convinced that natural laws are unable to explain the mysterious complexity of the DNA molecule itself?
* Why does the 97 per cent of DNA that scientists do not understand – so-called “junk DNA” – contain chemical “sequences” arranged in patterns and frequencies that are otherwise only found in the deep coding of all human languages?
* Could the “supernaturals” first depicted in the painted caves and rock shelters – and still accessible to us today in altered states of consciousness – be the ancient teachers of mankind? Could it be they who first ushered us into the full birthright of our humanity? And could it be that human evolution is not just the “blind”, “meaningless” “natural” process that Darwin identified, but something else, more purposive and intelligent, that we have barely even begun to understand?

Supernatural

These are some of the mysteries at the heart of the quest Hancock unfolds in the pages of his new book Supernatural – a quest that takes him on a journey of adventure and detection from the depths of the Amazon rainforest, to the stunningly beautiful painted caves of prehistoric Europe, and to ancient painted rock-shelters in the remote mountains of South Africa. This is a book of page-turning story-telling with electrifying descriptions of the daunting journey that Hancock must undertake as he drinks hallucinogens with tribal shamans in the Amazon and self-experiments with '___', psilocybin and the African visionary drug known as Iboga – “the plant that enables men to see the dead.” But Supernatural also has an exciting basis in the latest science – much of it so far largely unknown to the general public. Thus, although the book takes readers into unusual and daring areas of enquiry, and investigates extraordinary possibilities about human origins, and about the nature of consciousness and of reality, the argument is underpinned throughout by the discoveries and views of eminent scientists doing cutting-edge research.

Supernatural is published in the UK on 6 October 2005 and in the US during 2006. Copies can be purchased direct from Amazon.co.uk, see here. Graham Hancock will give a number of lectures at bookshops in cities throughout the UK during October 2005. Details of the lecture schedule will be published and updated here.



There an interview with Mr. Graham Hancock in the new issue of SubRosa e-zine, starting on page 32
subrosa.dailygrail.com...

Check out these painting done by Amazonian Shamans of their visions after drinking a brew made of the Ayuasca vine.
www.grahamhancock.com...

It is difficult for those who have not experienced Ayahuasca, or other related shamanic hallucinogens, to visualise the strange parallel realities into which these substances bring us. Fortunately, however, a number of shamans in the Amazon are also gifted artists and have made paintings of their own visions. Through these paintings it is possible for all of us to get some glimpse of the Ayahuasca Otherworld – which, mysteriously, is not a different place for each different individual who drinks Ayahuasca. On the contrary, whether experienced by an Amazonian shaman, or an American lawyer, or a European businessman, or a Japanese fashion designer, the Ayahuasca realm is always recognizably the same place, inhabited by the same intelligent beings with the same mission to teach us important truths about ourselves and the nature of the universe. The Peruvian shaman Pablo Amaringo is the most famous and gifted of Ayahuasca artists working today and has kindly granted us permission to reproduce here a gallery of his paintings. Click on any of the images for a larger view.



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posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 06:46 PM
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Clip from The Mysterious Origins of Man
www.youtube.com...



posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 07:57 PM
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Graham Hancock is my favorite.



posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by Kilik11
Any "conventional" scientists who have tried to discredit him, got soundly defeated and embarassed
www.grahamhancock.com...

Hancock, a former journalist and in no way shape or form associated at all with any branch of science, discredits himself. Once he was backed into a corner and actually admitted that most of what he writes is baseless. His excuse? "It's what my readers expect..."
To my knowledge, no "conventional" scientist has ever failed to discredit him, when he can be pinned down and actually be made to say something, that is.


Originally posted by Kilik11And even though this article claims there are no blocks placed on top of each other at bimini, I saw on the Underworld show that there are smaller pillar blocks placed underneath at the corners, almost holding the main blocks off the ground by several inches. There' also the fact that geologists themselves can't even agree on the age.
www.intersurf.com...

That link says nothing about geologists not agreeing on it's age. But I'll spell it out for you. Shinn's (see below for who Shinn is) cores were carbon-dated to 2000 - 4000 years ago, I believe. But according to geological theory, the beach rock probably couldn't have formed then, because they don't think there's been that much fluctuation in sea levels since then, meaning the location where the blocks are was not beach during this time period. That is the "disagreement," as far as I know. Scientists disagreeing on this sort of thing is almost exactly the opposite of what Little asserts in his .pdf smear of Shinn.
Little on Shinn:

One of the early skeptical “geologists,” Eugene Shinn, alleges he performed 17 cores on Bimini Road stones in 1977. Shinn has presented his alleged results on these cores in several articles as well as at numerous geological meetings. For example, in a 2004 Skeptical Inquirer article Shinn, who held a bachelor’s degree in biology related that all 17 of his cores at Bimini “tilted toward deep water” proving that the stones were still in their natural position
my emphasis
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Little tries to imply that Shinn, a respected, published geologists with the USGS for well over forty years, likely knows nothing of geology, having only a BS in biology.
But Greg Little himself certainly knows less about geology than Shinn. Here's George Noory on Greg Little:

Dr. Gregory Little holds a master's degree in psychology and a doctorate in counseling from Memphis State University. He is co-editor of Ancient Mysteries, a monthly newsletter for members of the official Edgar Cayce organization, The Association for Research and Enlightenment.

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If you read the bio at the Coast to Coast site, you'll see that Little is selling his books, no doubt published by A.R.E. Ask yourself, what is Shinn selling?

BTW, the above link you posted (to the intersurf.com webpage) mentions Doug Weller, a member of ATS. Why don't you ask him about this? The link you provided dates to 1995. I guess ole' Doug's been at this a while. Here's Doug's excellent webpage:
Doug's Archaeology Site


Originally posted by Kilik11Article on how the Sketptics made a hoax to claim it was only natural formations
www.mysterious-america.net...

Have you read what Eugene Shinn says about this, or are you going only by the character assassination conducted by Greg Little in his crusade to prove Edgar Cayce right?

Let me also ask you this - is China today a "Christian nation?" Has California dissappeared into the Pacific? Cayce predicted these things would happen before 1968 which was the year he "predicted" that parts of Atlantis would "resurface." Do you not find it somewhat troubling that the year Cayce predicted for this to happen is the exact same year that A.R.E. sent out explorers to find anything they could to make this "prediction" come true? You are aware, are you not, that the discoverers of the Bimini "Road" were all true blue members of A.R.E.?

The "smaller blocks" you've seen are the result of erosion and nothing more. Beach rock forms in layers. Slight fluctuations in local sea levels over thousands of years, caused by uplift and/or subduction, or even actual fluctuations in the ocean, cause the rock formation to stop and restart. The layer beneath the rock slabs in photos you've seen probably was not as well fused as the upper layer, thus it eroded out from under it, leaving small harder portions in place.


Originally posted by Kilik11in like 10,000 years a lot of things are going to just simply disappear, or perhaps be only known in a few small traditions.

There are also some interesting above water sites around the bimini area. Ones that were not first discovered by archaeologists, but by the ARE( association of research and enlightenment) organization.


Consider this, the Bimini "Road" lies under only about 10-15 feet of water. This area would absolutely have been dozens of feet above sea level during the age postulated for Atlantis' existence - the during the last ice age. So even if it is a harbor, who used it?

Harte


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posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 12:46 AM
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I am a believer that as graham said, there is a lost chapter or possibly an entire unit of human history. I am not as optimistic however that we ever find out what that is by conventional means. In other words, short of jumping into a time machine and going back and looking, observing and studying, we will never know what happened to these civilizations that disappeared.


However, I am fairly certain...without the discovery of something truly ground breaking... there has been a previous civilization capable of what we are today. I am fairly certain that there hasnt been any civilization that has developed electronics, rocketry, machinery, etc. Not in recent history anyway otherwise we would find evidence.



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 05:07 AM
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However valid some of Hancock's ideas might be, he lets himself down through poor research (a fault common to most 'alternative historians', especially those proposing a catastrophic, global, event in recent geological history)

A lot of the 'facts' he presents in Fingerprints of the Gods, for example, are taken verbatim from books published decades earlier and he clearly did not bother to check their veracity. Hence he repeats the story of an 80ft high fruit tree found in the Siberian permafrost (it was actually a 16ft alder). He also ignores any more recent research which disproves much of the supposed evidence presented in these old books.

As a result, it's difficult to take any of his evidence too seriously.



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 12:47 PM
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I think his background in journalism is why he can find the facts, and get to the real story of what's going on better than most conventional scientists.

No one can deny that what many conventional scientists do is stick their head in the sand when it comes to a lot of these things. Those people as much as they claim to be sicentists and objective, are clearly not being anything close to as objective as hancock.

That's why he finds the truth, while they study pottery shard after pattery shard, not actually knowing anything about that time really, whereas Graham Hancock finds the actual context of the finds.

Grahm Hancock finds the "keys", to interet the past

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posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Kilik11
I think his background in journalism is why he can find the facts, and get to the real story of what's going on better than most conventional scientists.

No, it's the reason he can ignore the facts that have been discovered and verified by scientists.
His background in journalism does serve him well, though. It is this background that allows him to write fantasy and make it seem like reality to you.


Originally posted by Kilik11No one can deny that what many conventional scientists do is stick their head in the sand when it comes to a lot of these things. Those people as much as they claim to be sicentists and objective, are clearly not being anything close to as objective as hancock.


Scientists are interested in evidence, not speculation. Hancock literally avoids evidence at every turn. This is because the evidence, though convincing, actually contradicts what he says. That doesn't sell many books.


Originally posted by Kilik11That's why he finds the truth, while they study pottery shard after pattery shard, not actually knowing anything about that time really, whereas Graham Hancock finds the actual context of the finds.

That is one of the most asurd statements I've ever read at ATS. What, in your mind, constitutes "context?" Listen up, the pottery shards are the "context."


Originally posted by Kilik11Grahm Hancock finds the "keys", to interet the past

Watch out or he'll "find the keys" to your safe deposit box.

Harte



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 05:02 PM
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good call harte

this man is essentially an intellectual fraudster

he puts together theories by starting at conclusions and then finding small pieces of evidence to support it.

he has never said that any of his hypothesises has ever been wrong, a sure sign of fraud in the line of historical research



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 05:26 PM
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That's actually not true. At the beggining of the Underworld series he admitted to occasionally following one or two leads that were a bit too speculative in Fingerprints of the Gods, and he re released Fingerprints of the Gods with the updated info more recently

He's basically up front and honest. He's not a fraud or out to trick anyone. He's researching facts and reporting facts

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posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Kilik11
He's basically up front and honest. He's not a fraud or out to trick anyone. He's researching facts and reporting facts

Obviously, you've made up your mind on this. Far be it from me to interfere with an intellectual suicide.

See, I've read Hancock as well. I must be a bit older than you, though, because the guy that originally bamboozled me was Erik Von Daniken. He's a little long in the tooth these days. He's been supplanted by a new breed of pseudohistorians, younger men that can actually write well.

The advent of the internet opened my eyes, however. See, my local library doesn't have famous papers written by archaeologists and paleontologists just laying around for people like me to read. But you can find exactly such scientific information on the internet. If you can't, you can usually find some website that has looked it up for you, linking it on their page.

After a few years of what can only be considered much more thorough research, I came to see the extent to which I had been lied.

But if that moment has yet to arrive for you, more power to you. I don't hold anything against Hancock, a man's gotta make a living and he ain't foolin' me. But I still HATE Von Daniken and I always will for making me feel like an idiot.

Anyway, if you want to get started right now, here's a few links about Hancock. BTW, these papers were not written by journalists.
anth507.tripod.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...
www.intersurf.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...
www.antiquityofman.com...

That last one is from The Antiquity of Man, a website established at the same time as the publication of the book by the same name. The book came out basically as a scientific response to Michael Cremo's "Forbidden Archaeology," a book written in support of Hindu creationism. Anyway, if you go to that site you'll see links across the top border, one of them says pseudoscience. Click on that and you'll be taken to the largest collection of pseudohistory debunking pages I've yet to find on the internet.

Similarly, the Hall of Ma'at pages I linked have a link at the top that says "papers." Click there for a longish list of scientific refutations of a lot of this kind of stuff.

Here's some more for you, in case you're interested:
Doug's Archaeology Site(gave you that one already, I know. But I really, really like it!)
K. Matthew's Cult Archaeology site
J. Colavito's skeptic site
Excellent Catchpenny Egyptian site
And, of course, the gigantic Talk Origins website

If it's your desire to continue for a while (or even several years) under your current delusion, that's fine. I don't blame you. In fact, I have to say I'm envious. But do yourself a favor. Tuck the above websites away in a little file somewhere in your saved links, or "favorites" folder, or whatever your particular browser calls it. Many of them might be dead by the time you get to them, but I guarantee you I've just saved you a whole lot of time sometime in the future, whenever you snap out of it.

Harte



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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Your sites were unconvincing, they only address superficial aspects but not the core important things



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Kilik11
Your sites were unconvincing, they only address superficial aspects but not the core important things

Killik,

Did you space out? Didn't you know there is a time stamp on your post?

I handed you 10 different websites specifically concerning Hancock, and you expect me (and everyone else reading this) to believe that you went through all of them in 23 minutes thoroughly enough to pronounce them as "superficial?"

I suppose the fact that one of those sites demonstrates that Hancock, even though he holds a published opinion on Carbon-14 dating, has shown through various statements that he actually has no idea how it works, how it's used, or why it's important, is "superficial"?

The complete and utterly nefarious misrepresentantion by Hancock of South American Mythology that was proven at one of those sites (at least 5 pages long, that one - Evelyn Wood!) - that was "superficial?

Man, you are worse than Hancock himself. I take back what I said. Now I just pity you.

Harte

[edit on 6/10/2006 by Harte]

[edit on 6/10/2006 by Harte]



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 09:23 PM
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i'd seen some of them before



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 11:19 PM
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kilik, saying that a researcher is ignoring carbon-14 results is far from superficial. it's equivalent to a highway patroll officer ignoring the results of a breathalizer when considering if a driver is drunk or not.

please, read over the articles, i personally found the articles informing harte



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