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The Genetic Bonds Between Kurds and Jews

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posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 07:46 PM
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I hope this is the right forum. It was not easy to place.


by Kevin Alan Brook

Kurds are the Closest Relatives of Jews

In 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people -- more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested. The researchers sampled a total of 526 Y-chromosomes from 6 populations (Kurdish Jews, Kurdish Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazic Jews, and Bedouin from southern Israel) and added extra data on 1321 persons from 12 populations (including Russians, Belarusians, Poles, Berbers, Portuguese, Spaniards, Arabs, Armenians, and Anatolian Turks). Most of the 95 Kurdish Muslim test subjects came from northern Iraq. Ashkenazic Jews have ancestors who lived in central and eastern Europe, while Sephardic Jews have ancestors from southwestern Europe, northern Africa, and the Middle East. The Kurdish Jews and Sephardic Jews were found to be very close to each other. Both of these Jewish populations differed somewhat from Ashkenazic Jews, who mixed with European peoples during their diaspora. The researchers suggested that the approximately 12.7 percent of Ashkenazic Jews who have the Eu 19 chromosomes -- which are found among between 54 and 60 percent of Eastern European Christians -- descend paternally from eastern Europeans (such as Slavs) or Khazars. But the majority of Ashkenazic Jews, who possess Eu 9 and other chromosomes, descend paternally from Judeans who lived in Israel two thousand years ago. In the article in the November 2001 issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics, Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University of Israel wrote that this new study revealed that Jews have a closer genetic relationship to populations in the northern Mediterranean (Kurds, Anatolian Turks, and Armenians) than to populations in the southern Mediterranean (Arabs and Bedouins).

A previous study by Ariella Oppenheim and her colleagues, published in Human Genetics in December 2000, showed that about 70 percent of Jewish paternal ancestries and about 82 percent of Palestinian Arabs share the same chromosomal pool. The geneticists asserted that this might support the claim that Palestinian Arabs descend in part from Judeans who converted to Islam. With their closer relationship to Jews, the Palestinian Arabs are distinctive from other Arab groups, such as Syrians, Lebanese, Saudis, and Iraqis, who have less of a connection to Jews.


More...
www.barzan.com...


Could they all really be brothers? Who would like to be the one to tell them all that the war has been called off due to genetics...




posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 07:50 PM
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Dude, we are all brothers. This being the case shall we call all wars off.



posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Malichai
Could they all really be brothers? Who would like to be the one to tell them all that the war has been called off due to genetics...


Well pride, greed and intolerance, may make that difficult, but this relationship is no surprise, (or it shouldn't be) to anyone Malichai

en.wikipedia.org...

The children of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Aram, Arpachshad and Lud, in addition to daughters. In the New Testament, Luke lists the genealogy of Jesus from Adam through Shem, Abraham and David.

Shem was the progenitor of the south-western nations of Asia, being the father of Elam (Persia), Ashur (Assyria), Arpachshad or Arpachaxad (according to Josephus, Chaldea), from whom descended the Hebrews and Arabs, Lud (Lydia) and Aram (Syria).


Tracing Noah's Son's Children is most enlightening

www.sacred-texts.com...

Shems Children

4. Shem, the third son of Noah, had five sons, who inhabited the land that began at Euphrates, and reached to the Indian Ocean. For Elam left behind him the Elamites, the ancestors of the Persians. Ashur lived at the city Nineve; and named his subjects Assyrians, who became the most fortunate nation, beyond others. Arphaxad named the Arphaxadites, who are now called Chaldeans. Aram had the Aramites, which the Greeks called Syrians; as Laud founded the Laudites, which are now called Lydians.


Shem's Children, inhabited all of the Middle East, and became many of the Nations seen there today.

But this has no "Connextion" to the Kurds. Japhet, is from whom the Kurd Come from.

www.sacred-texts.com...

1. Now they were the grandchildren of Noah, in honor of whom names were imposed on the nations by those that first seized upon them. Japhet, the son of Noah, had seven sons: they inhabited so, that, beginning at the mountains Taurus and Amanus, they proceeded along Asia, as far as the river Tansis, and along Europe to Cadiz; and settling themselves on the lands which they light upon, which none had inhabited before, they called the nations by their own names. For Gomer founded those whom the Greeks now call Galatians, [Galls,] but were then called Gomerites. Magog founded those that from him were named Magogites, but who are by the Greeks called Scythians. Now as to Javan and Madai, the sons of Japhet; from Madai came the Madeans, who are called Medes, by the Greeks; but from Javan, Ionia, and all the Grecians, are derived. Thobel founded the Thobelites, who are now called Iberes; and the Mosocheni were founded by Mosoch; now they are Cappadocians. There is also a mark of their ancient denomination still to be shown; for there is even now among them a city called Mazaca, which may inform those that are able to understand, that so was the entire nation once called. Thiras also called those whom he ruled over Thirasians; but the Greeks changed the name into Thracians.


The Kurd's, "are Believed" to have been from Japhet.

en.wikipedia.org...

Madai was a Japhethic grandson of Noah in the Biblical tradition. Scholars have identified Madai with various nations, from the early Mitanni to the much later Medes. This people, reckoned to be his offspring, were first known as 'Madai' in Assyrian sources, as well as in Hebrew ones.

According to a tale in the Book of Jubilees, Madai, son of Japheth, did not wish to dwell in his allotted inheritance, so he begged the brothers of his wife Milcah, who were the children of Shem, until finally Asshur permitted him to settle within his inheritance, in the Araxes valley, not far from Mount Ararat.


And they inhabited the region associated with the Kurds today.

And Ham
www.sacred-texts.com...

2. The children of Ham possessed the land from Syria and Amanus, and the mountains of Libanus; seizing upon all that was on its sea-coasts, and as far as the ocean, and keeping it as their own. Some indeed of its names are utterly vanished away; others of them being changed, and another sound given them, are hardly to be discovered; yet a few there are which have kept their denominations entire. For of the four sons of Ham, time has not at all hurt the name of Chus; for the Ethiopians, over whom he reigned, are even at this day, both by themselves and by all men in Asia, called Chusites. The memory also of the Mesraites is preserved in their name; for all we who inhabit this country [of Judea] called Egypt Mestre, and the Egyptians Mestreans. Phut also was the founder of Libya, and called the inhabitants Phutites, from himself: there is also a river in the country of Moors which bears that name; whence it is that we may see the greatest part of the Grecian historiographers mention that river and the adjoining country by the apellation of Phut: but the name it has now has been by change given it from one of the sons of Mesraim, who was called Lybyos. We will inform you presently what has been the occasion why it has been called Africa also. Canaan, the fourth son of Ham, inhabited the country now called Judea, and called it from his own name Canaan. The children of these [four] were these:


So, it should come as no surprise, there is this common background.

But it is very nice, to have the Sciences being utilized to confirm the Biblical Account of the Post Flood Peoples.


And the "Antiquities of the Jews" go on, in each case, to further this in more detail. It is quite a good read.

Ciao

Shane



posted on Jun, 20 2006 @ 02:25 AM
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Well that's really neat.

Of course it's a shot in the foot for some people I know, who assert that the Palestianians are just squatters from Jordan or Syria.



posted on Jun, 20 2006 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Well that's really neat.

Of course it's a shot in the foot for some people I know, who assert that the Palestianians are just squatters from Jordan or Syria.


Funny you mention that... know what I've been thinking lately... what if what you believed to be true was not true at all, or everything was upside down...

Like the Palestinians are the REAL BIBLICAL JEWS and the Israeli and other Jews are just religious converts for the most part since those ancient times?

What if?



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 04:46 PM
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haha, intresting fact. I have a good number of kurdish friends, i bet they'd just "love" to hear this.



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 06:18 PM
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It is possible (pure theorizing here) that the Kurds are descended from one or more of the lost tribes of Jews. The Assyrians captured most of the tribes of Israel (10 or 11 of them I think, out of 12) and no one knows where they went. Jewish DNA has been found in some very strange places, so maybe some of the lost tribes became Kurdish ancestors? Who knows?



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 03:01 PM
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well , history tells us that SALADIN the muslim general who fought in the crusades was a Kurd , and was fighting in jeuruslam.



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 09:09 PM
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any chance we can connect kurds to berbers ? Some of my recent quirky research has brought in both kurds and berbers. Would be delightful if we could link the two ....
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posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 11:29 PM
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The Kurds are the ancient Medes.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 07:41 AM
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well done SunMatrix


The Kurds are the ancient Medes

you almost got something right
in fact the Kurds are the descendants of the ancient Medes
for the Kurds to be the ancient Medes you would need a time machine
you're not claiming that are you ?



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by TheUntoldStory
haha, intresting fact. I have a good number of kurdish friends, i bet they'd just "love" to hear this.


Oh yeah, why wouldn't they love to hear this? If anything, the kurds hate the Arabs, not Jews. Having their people murdered by the masses (Halabja), they can relate very well to what the Jews have suffered in the past under Hitler.

[edit on 14-12-2006 by Impreza]



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 09:09 AM
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they can relate very well to what the Jews have suffered in the past under Hitler.

also the catholics and the arabs and the egyptians (allegedly
) and by christians



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Marduk



they can relate very well to what the Jews have suffered in the past under Hitler.

also the catholics and the arabs and the egyptians (allegedly
) and by christians



Those are invasions of another land, aren't they? I'm talking about being attacked by the government of your own nation. Hitler killed off millions of Jews that were part of the population of his country. Saddam did the same thing against the Kurds in Halabja back in 1989. He used chemical weapons to kill nearly 5,000 kurds, who were living in northern Iraq.

That isn't the only reason why the Kurds can relate to the Jews. You see, the Kurds don't really have their own land. They live in colonies that are a part of four countries; Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria. In all four countries, they are seen as the minorities and throughout history have been getting killed left and right by their oppressing nation. Same with the Jews, they've never truly had a nation of their own. They have always been wanderers, much like the Kurds.



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by Marduk

well done SunMatrix


The Kurds are the ancient Medes

you almost got something right
in fact the Kurds are the descendants of the ancient Medes
for the Kurds to be the ancient Medes you would need a time machine
you're not claiming that are you ?


I keep forgetting you have trouble reading between the lines, my apologies. Here try try this.......... NIMROD MARDUK



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 08:33 AM
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I keep forgetting you have trouble reading between the lines

reading between the lines would imply that someone has written them
this is not the case with real history
its just the case with fiction like the bible
Marduk by the way is a babylonian name
Bel Marduk is the name of a babylonian god
so you just basically said that Nimrod is based on a babylonian peasant
thats probably more accurate than what you though you were trying to say
all this actual history seems to be confusing to you Sun Matrix
I'd stick with fiction in that case
you are better at it



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 10:02 AM
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If you can't get past the basics................a simple seach is all it would take. Nimrod Marduk.



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 10:18 AM
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bryce a simple search just brings up your badly written piece of crap that you've been actively trolling here in an attempt to get everyone to read
quite frankly i have found more interesting and truthful articles on the back of a cornflakes packet
where are the legions of biblical scholars saying you are correct
where are the multitude of christians supporting you
where are the men in white coats waiting to take you away
best check your front door
that'll be them now



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 08:07 PM
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on some conspiracy sites, i've seen it alleged that the kurds and basaues [somehow the kurds and basaues, it is claimed, are kinfolk ] are the 'true' rulers of the serpent bloodline. First, one wonders how the two groups are connected to each other. Then, one has to ask how such 'marginal' folks got to rule anyone or any thing.
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