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Show Me The Body (For skeptics)

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posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 07:59 AM
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Has to be something we can do? And if there isn't something we can do now, what about down the line? Who do we ask to verify the accounts of the news agencies? Another agency?

I'm sick of dealing with this onion-layered informational gathering and delivery. It makes me wonder if there is anyone in charge. There seems to be no man behind the curtain, no little dude working the controls of the robot...

All I know is, I'm glad I'm not in charge right now. Power is one thing, but incompetence is another. If this war is made up and this is just another fictional chapter in it, what difference does it make if we see a body or not...if there is a Zarqawi or not. We have many many examples of why we shouldn't trust our government already. This is just another candle for the top of the cake.

Asking for them to show us the body is barbaric. And if there are any competent CIA operatives and officers left making smart decisions, keeping us from seeing the whole truth right away might not be a bad idea if strategy hinges upon whether or not the enemy (or supposed enemy) knows it.

Just some kindling for the campfire....in the meantime, I'll just enjoy my bowl of popcorn and my La-Z-Boy chair as I point my Zeus-like-finger through my mouse at news stories and reports about this fabulous conflict. I do so love conflict!

Cheers

Newtron




posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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On Drudge:



[edit on 8-6-2006 by loam]



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by newtron25
All I know is, I'm glad I'm not in charge right now. Power is one thing, but incompetence is another. If this war is made up and this is just another fictional chapter in it, what difference does it make if we see a body or not...if there is a Zarqawi or not. We have many many examples of why we shouldn't trust our government already. This is just another candle for the top of the cake.


Because it hurts us, that's why it makes a difference. Most of us that complain still love our country dearly. I was raised with military grandparents, jeez, I had to say the pledge every day even if not at school. Its hard, because I never want any president, or others, to slam my country in my mind. I still want to believe this is the country that I love so much. Lately though, we have had preprogrammed news clips coming out (yes, again, I am well aware that Clinton was doing it too) to tell us what they think the news is. We can't really know anymore on our own, it's whatever tv tells us. I agree we need to find away to get the info on our own, without relying on the media at every turn.



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:06 AM
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Now we know he is really really really dead.


Or he could be napping. This is the greatest day for Bush. May he enjoy!!!



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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Just want to throw this out there,
being I havent see any footage yet, with bush in regards to the latest breaking headlines..

how is dubya going to tell the world, ? What do you predict for him to say?


in a triumphant walk to the podioum, stern determination in his voice maybe.... ?

'' got h'im '''

flood the airwaves with this news for 3-4 days running,


but if he really is real, and iran are using iraq as a hidden battlefield, will they become nervous at losing a close ally within the iraqi insurgency?

with some minor details being released about the deal, if this was such a ' good ' deal, with all bells and whistles, why cant iran just say yes?

really, what more could they want, with what they've been given,
its not out of reach for them to obtain nuclear materials, rather than create them.

and how about the unjustified killings by american troops.
deep down most people already had theyre minds made up..
the average tv couch joe, would expect some rogue elements to go on murderous rampages..
you only need to look at society in america, to know its expected to act out violence from movies, when in a warzone.

it just blows up in ya face, then the people your protecting, start becoming strong enough to have a voice against you.
displaying innocent people shot up on the ground, on local TV...

The people are still angry, to the average iraqi , zaraqwi's death is minimal in terms of impact on safety for citizens.
ITs only a big deal, to the US Administration.

I cant believe, ive already seen a common iraqi man, on tv.. saying zarqawi was a brute, drank in the night time, chased women, was lazy and fat..
sure loooked like him in that video.
on the day he died, theres iraqis already saying the hollywood script.

Is he dead?
yeah probably.

was it him doing all those nasty things in Iraq
more than likely not.



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:09 AM
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Too bad the nose and the lips dont look like his, but what do i know....

Can someone post an "alive" picture so we can compare? Watching Fox, his alive picture looked different. Do lips swell when you die???



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe


Now we know he is really really really dead.


Or he could be napping. This is the greatest day for Bush. May he enjoy!!!


I dunno....looks pretty waxy to me...
j/k


Maybe he's really on his way to Florida assuming a new identity via the courtesy of the VA: See here.



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Or he could be napping.

He does look like he is taking an Afternoon nap!



So cute when he's sleeping!




posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:14 AM
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There's his mugshot from before. Now I gotta scroll between them to see if they look the same.



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Less lips while alive. Unless they beat the crap out of him


The nose? Notice any difference?



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:18 AM
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... yep.. that looks like him.
check out the width in the middlesection of the nose,
the fat bottom lip on the right, and the elaborate top lip centre peak



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:24 AM
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The bridge of his nose doesn't look the same, too me. Does seem like he had put on a bit of weight, or would that be swelling from the death? Seems that someone on the run in rough terrain wouldn't have found time to put on the extra weight. The upper lip looks somewhat the same, the bottom doesn't as much to me. His eyebrow area looks different as well. I'm also thinking about how Saddam had a dozen doubles, why couldn't this be it?



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:25 AM
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Here's something that's a bit interesting...

ONE OF THESE PICTURES IS REVERSED...





The mole he has on his face appears on opposite cheeks...


LET THE CONSPIRACIES BEGIN!!!!

[edit on 8-6-2006 by loam]



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:27 AM
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Can I just say "Ding! Dong! the witch is dead! Which old witch? The Wicked Witch!"

As long as everybody's happy... great! This is of course [sarcasm] a MAJOR victory against the insurgency! It's certainly NOT a distraction from the ugliness, as Souljah insists, OH no. Nor is it the end of a PR campaign! I mean, who will they frighten everyone with now? [/sarcasm]

Roll on Iran and Syria...



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:28 AM
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OH NO!

THE MOLE!

WE FORGOT ABOUT THE MOLE!






posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:30 AM
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Isn't it against the Geneva Convention to publish photos of dead combatants?



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by loam
The mole he has on his face appears on opposite cheeks...


LET THE CONSPIRACIES BEGIN!!!!

[edit on 8-6-2006 by loam]


Then look at my pic!
There isn't a mole, this guy must have a great plastic surgeon(sp)! "Hey, Enrique, you know how that mole got removed from your face because all the girls didn't like it?" "Yeah, AZ, you want the number, he'll hook you up!"
Bailamos everyone. I have a feeling that a conspiracy may have just been born.



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Slap Nuts
Isn't it against the Geneva Convention to publish photos of dead combatants?

So?

Who actually obeys this silly Conventions!

Probably only the Guys living in Geneva!



[/sarcasm]



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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c'mon guys,
obviously its not a mole in the death photo, rather a scar or nick from the explosion.

and his head is rotated to much to the left, look where the original photos mole is, right in a crease on his face's contour.

thats definately the guy in the movies,
and he does resemble the photo that is suposidley zarqawi...

but c'mon, this guy isnt a ruthless, blood thirsty killer.
he cant even operate a machine gun.



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 08:37 AM
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ok, so I don't buy into the phony terror mastermind plot and I don't buy into the bulk of the conspiracies y'all are rolling out in this thread but I do find one thing kinda strange here.

US drops 2 500 pound bombs on the location. they have the video to appease the wargames loving crowd. fine. they have reports and confirmations from websites that are used/supported by terror groups. cool.

now they have the picture. that's understandable I guess. you drop 1000 pounds of bombs on a poorly built house and there are going to be some bodies to identify. maybe. you want all your backup and proof and confirmation news out as quickly as possible. no point stating he's dead only to not have backup.

so why take the time to frame the picture? did they get a good deal on framing in ramallah? when you finish boot camp in the US military do you pray for infantry, only to be disappointed in learning that you are going to be transferred to framing? Did Rumsfeld, in drawing up his plans in Iraq say "ok, we're going to need like another 5,000 troops, 25 more tanks, 2000 field medics and oh, in case we get some good photos of dead bad guys, get me a framer"?



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