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Originally posted by Jugg
I cant give an interpretation of the bible, but i can give you some info about woormwood herb.
Ive been drinking alot of wormwood tea, with 10-45 grams of wormwood, and ive never tasted anything worse. You can imagine it, really you cant! Its so disgusting.
But the effects can be pleasent. Everything from a mild high to a moderate psychedelic experience.
Oh and, queenannia38, your signature, the binary code, is the truth really 362697553000??
Originally posted by ShadowEyes
Nukes are what came to my mind. They would most likely be falling out of the sky, and the radiation would make the water contaminated.
8.10-11. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; and the name of the star is called Wormwood; and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Cf. 16.4: The third angel poured his bowl into the rivers and the fountains of waters, and they became blood.
"The star indicates either that all this comes upon men from the heavens, or it signifies the devil, of whom Isaiah says: How has Lucifer fallen from heaven, that rose in the morning! (14.12). For he, making men drunk through pleasures by his stormy and bitter corruption, is allowed by God to bring a tormenting tribulation, if not upon all, then at any rate upon the third part." (St. Andrew of Caesarea)
The word translated "wormwood" in English, ayinqoV in Greek, is "chernobyl" in Ukrainian; and on April 29th, 1986, a nuclear reactor exploded at Chernobyl in the Ukraine, causing widespread and long-lasting pollution and an ever-rising toll of deaths and misformed births.
This extraordinary "coincidence" leads one to speculate that the whole of this passage (8.7-11, perhaps also 12) refers to the whole of that epoch contemporaneous with our own, when environmental disasters of the Chernobyl type have brought disaster to that third of the world which is, or was, under communist domination.
that makes sense though, since apocalyptic texts are often not chronological and usually refer to things over the whole span of time in and of itself and not just a specific era.
Originally posted by queenannie38
'The spirit of prophesy is the testimony of Jesus Christ.'
How can things look 'not so good' when Christ has indeed overcome the world on the behalf of it's inhabitants?
If we look outside the bible for answers to its mysteries--looking to the world's evil ways of men who create weapons of war and destruction--how can we discover God's mystery? What we discover is heartbreak and despair--for we are looking to the things of corruption to solve the things of incorruptibility that we do not understand.
This is not why He came.
How can things look 'not so good' when Christ has indeed overcome the world.
Originally posted by helen670
It is now up to us for what happens next.
The primary, brightest, star is another:
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
(1 Corinthians 15:41 KJV)
Most stars shine at night, in the dark. But one illuminates the daytime, rising in the morning:
I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
(Numbers 24:17 KJV)
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
(2 Peter 1:19 KJV)
Looking at the stars mentioned in the book of Revelation, two different stars fall to the ground: one named wormwood, and one who has the keys to the bottomless pit.
And I will give him the morning star.
(Revelation 2:28 KJV)
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
(Revelation 22:16 KJV)
These locusts were given the power of suffering and poison, just as the scorpions on earth. Only God can give power of anything, because He does have power over all things. No other power comes from anywhere else.
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
(Revelation 9:1-4 KJV)
The king of the locusts is Abaddon (destruction) and this is the angel of the bottomless pit, no doubt. And he is king over the locusts, not the source of their new-given power. And logic tells us that obviously Abaddon didn't have the keys to the pit that he, himself, was locked in, as well.
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
(Revelation 9:11 KJV)
These keys are not given to any man-made religious body, no matter how hard they try to make it seem so. The meaning of this passage has to do with revelation. God-given true revelation--the very same thing which allowed Peter to know that Jesus was the Christ, the son of the Living God. The main religious institution of their culture, in their times - the Pharisees, weren't quite sure who Jesus was. The had not been given revelation from the Father.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(Matthew 16:17-19 KJV)
So certainly it appears that Christ is the administrator of these 'keys,' by authority of God the Father.
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
(Revelation 1:18 KJV)
Christ had to 'fall' to earth before He could ascend back above. And why did He fall down here to where we are? To overcome the power of death and save the world! He came down with keys in His hand!
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
(John 3:13 KJV)
Notice these words/ideas are found in this one passage: wormwood, serving other gods, God's anger as 'smoke,' a book, and blotting out names.
Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe,
whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations;
lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man,
and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.
(Deuteronomy 29:18-20 KJV)
Things which are revealed. Given for the purpose of obeying God.
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:
but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever,
that we may do all the words of this law.
(Deuteronomy 29:29 KJV)
Reading the whole 5th chapter might make it clearer, but if not, I'll tell you that this 'strange woman' is basically symbolic of the same idea as the 'whore of babylon.' Representative of religions that worship gods other than the Living God.
For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword. Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.
(Proverbs 5:3-5 KJV)
This is totally consistent with the rest--the children of Israel followed Baalim, instead of God. This was taught to them by their 'fathers' and obviously these fathers didn't heed the warning given by Moses way back in Deuteronomy 29. And so, as God had said, He will give them wormwood and gall.
And the LORD saith,
Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;
But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:
Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.
I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.
(Jeremiah 9:13-16 KJV)
Turning judgment into wormwood--into death. Many men died from the water made bitter by wormwood. Bitter water which turns judgment into death.
Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,
(Amos 5:7 KJV)
In some of the Western states of North America there are large tracts almost entirely destitute of other vegetation than certain kinds of Artemisia, which cover vast plains. The plants are of no use as forage: and the few wild animals that feed on them are said to have, when eaten, a bitter taste. The Artemisia also abound in the arid soil of the Tartarean steppes and in other similar situations.
Tartary (Tartaria or Tatary) is a old term that referred to that region of Asia east of the Ural mountains. Originally, and before Zheng He and Christopher Columbus, it meant every part of the world that excluded Europe and Africa to the Europeans.
The term was eventually replaced with Siberia by Russian territorial expansionists, and has now died out. Nevertheless, it still often remains visible on old maps.
most of Ukraine consists of fertile plains (steppes) and plateaus, mountains being found only in the west (the Carpathians), and in the Crimean Peninsula in the extreme south
As it happens, the name of Chernobyl/Czarnobyl is taken from one of the Slavonic words for the wormwood plant (artemisia), which flourishes in the surrounding marshes.
Originally posted by DigitalGrl
ok so what do you all think WormWood could be? or what do you think the name represents? seen anything in the news and whatnot that mentions wormwood?