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Originally posted by notbuynit
Another example of neolib influence. He would send his men to do something he didn't have the guts to do himself. Where was my choice on Bosnia or Somalia? Where were you hypocrites? I don't remember any protests when my best friend was being killed in Mogadishu. Where were you? Bombing folks in Bosnia?You weren't told to dissent, that's where you were. Whether he agrees or not. Coward.
"I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"
The President and Commander in Chief has blatantly violated all tenets of domestic and international law. So that making an oath to "obey orders from the President" is tantamount to violating rather than defending the US Constitution.
There's no war in Iraq anymore. * * *
Originally posted by SilverSurfer
I think that you should have a mind of your own, and be allowed to think.
Yes even withing the military
If someone tells you to kill for ex. women and children you should have a right to refuse orders. If you know your superior officer is giving you orders that break one or more laws of course you should have a right to refuse.. or to take that man out of charge..
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
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nice post.... it's funny whenever there is a war like this under an unpopular administration the SOLDIERS pay for it by being protested etc.
I remember the stories of my friends whose fathers came home after being a POW in vietnam.
They had their finger nails pulled out, beaten with rattan canes, bamboo shoots shoved where their fingernails HAD been. and many starved to death or died from the beatings.
an infamous american personally got 6 POWs killed by her treason, hanoi jane.
she turned the slips of paper the men had slipped her with their social security numbers on them over to the guards
yet when those men who suffered those things came home, they met at the airport by people, now these people are the HEROS mind you, they have a conscience
they spit on these men, called them "baby killers", and beat these men in the streets.
This man should be drummed out of the military in disgrace, no benefits nothing...
I agree completely COWARD!....
Originally posted by MRGERBIK
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
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I agree completely COWARD!....
What a line of crap. You know this is the biggest myth of ALL TIME in Viet Nam lore? You weren't there,X Philes. It's a nice try. One golf clap for you. You can't even draw one photo of this act occurring. Jesus, I can't believe you can fall for such urban legend. It kind of proves to me you are lacking in the research department. Stripping credibility away is so fun. This schtick is old.
Let's see where it came from shall we?
"Many of the current stories are accompanied by stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans. The recent story of spitting in Asheville, for example, was traced to a local businessman who says he is a veteran who was also spat upon and called a "baby killer" when he returned from Vietnam. An Associated Press story of April 9 reported stories of spat-upon Vietnam veterans surfacing in several cities including Spicer, Minnesota whose mayor said he was spat upon in the San Francisco airport while coming home from Vietnam in 1971."
Lembecke has a tad more cred than you I am afraid or your "Friend of a friend" "You remember the stories" Well, I guess that finalizes it.
How naive can you be? Do some research next time before you spout urban legend. There is NO proof of this airport incident whatsoever. Because it was fabricated to get you in a jingoistic mood and tapdance in the G.O.P. Minstrel show. Think of yourself as Scott Jolson. "MAAAAMI" That is you and you don't even know it. It was a psy op tactic to get you outraged. So Gullible.
And one more nail into your coffin for the most possible lamest rumor of all time. It doesn't even make sense AND yet you bought it.
BTW just so we are on the level you take any particular story and Urbanize it just for leverage to get people in a rage. Did the spitting occur? Maybe but not in these numbers you are talking about.
And you know what's funny? Why is it so many express this theatrical dinner theater anger like it's valid? Because you heard a story? Where's your proof? We can find a irregular incident in any political agenda. And yet here it is this jingoistic schtick outrage about incidents. Stop trying to polarize every little thing. You are shucking n jiving because that's all you can do. You want to react emotionally to something you were never a part of.
And btw alot Vietnam Veterans were protesting over Vietnam alot of important issues such as Agent Orange. Things that you would rather scrub over and forget about. That's what being a patriot is about. Speaking truth to power. Anyone can soapbox outrage and make angry emoticons on this board all day and blame it on "political agenda"
I challenge you show me one photo of this airport incident. A word of adviceon't beat a dead horse. This has been debunked so many times. Unless you want to show me a airbrushed photo of John Kerry and Jane Fonda. Which Jerome Corsi admitted to photoshopping.
This is such bad theatric schtick and for shame those who applaud and make thumbs up icons to it. Let the Armchair Warrior reign cease.
Originally posted by ProjectX1986
If you dont agree with the war then fine, protest it, no biggie. There was no Draft, no one drafted this guy to the Army. It was his free will, and he used our tax paying money. That is like going to a job and doing nothing, and still collecting money from people, that is stealing!!!
You want to protest the war and your honor, dont join the MILITARY!!!
He is a coward, thats the real reason he is backing out, or he is stupid.