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Project Serpo blown wide open - exclusive expose

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posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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Cross post there rdude.

I'll have a look at the facts and get back to you.

Thought I'd also let you know that the link you provided is not working.

Cheers

[edit on 9-11-2006 by jumpspace]




posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 01:52 PM
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For everyone's info, here's the specific details on the IP address we're all talking about. When rdube2 posts the link, I'll explain more in a few days time.

OrgName: Qwest Communications Corporation
OrgID: QCC-22
Address: 1801 California Street
City: Denver
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80202
Country: US

NetRange: 71.32.0.0 - 71.39.255.255
CIDR: 71.32.0.0/13
NetName: QWEST-INET-119
NetHandle: NET-71-32-0-0-1
Parent: NET-71-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: AUTHNS1.MPLS.QWEST.NET
NameServer: AUTHNS2.DNVR.QWEST.NET
NameServer: AUTHNS3.STTL.QWEST.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2004-12-17
Updated: 2006-02-09

RAbuseHandle: QIA2-ARIN
RAbuseName: Qwest Abuse
RAbusePhone: +1-877-886-6515
RAbuseEmail: abuse@qwest.net

RNOCHandle: QIN-ARIN
RNOCName: Qwest IP NOC
RNOCPhone: +1-877-886-6515
RNOCEmail: support@qwestip.net

RTechHandle: QIA-ARIN
RTechName: Qwest IP Admin
RTechPhone: +1-877-886-6515
RTechEmail: ipadmin@qwest.com

OrgAbuseHandle: QIA2-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Qwest Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-877-886-6515
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@qwest.net

OrgNOCHandle: QIN-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Qwest IP NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-877-886-6515
OrgNOCEmail: support@qwestip.net

OrgTechHandle: QIA-ARIN
OrgTechName: Qwest IP Admin
OrgTechPhone: +1-877-886-6515
OrgTechEmail: ipadmin@qwest.com

Cheers

JS



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by jumpspace
For everyone's info, here's the specific details on the IP address we're all talking about.


You only provided the basic ARIN lookup details - you also need to do a dns reverse lookup to get the canonical name that the IP resolves to. Which of course, with qwest, helps to resolve geographic location as well.

This particular IP resolves to:

71-37-144-20.albq.qwest.net.

I look forward to your analysis. Every theory must remain testable to build confidence. This theory that I've posted from Xena above holds a great deal of confidence with most IT experts I've passed this by. However, if you believe you've got a test you can bring to the table to disprove or reduce that confidence - by all means - go for it.

Just keep in mind, before you move on - there are a lot of extremely knowledgable IT experts who are reading this forum.

-Ry



[edit on 9-11-2006 by rdube02]



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 02:37 PM
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His approach appears to reflect Bob Collin's approach to this.





I, too, am looking forward to his response.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 02:44 PM
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Yes it does resolve to Albuquerque, with that I concur. With that said, I have seen actual headers at RU in PDF format that show emails from Doty do indeed have the same IP as the original anonymous email of Nov 1, 2005. But the only version of the original email I've had the chance to reference is a text form identical to what is posted up at Serpo.info.

If you would indeed send me the actual email so I can open the header myself and check the IP, that would kill any lingering doubts as to Doty being the sender. I'm suprised you guys at RU haven't put this original email (with headers shown) into PDF format yet.

Check your U2U for my email address. Thank you much Ry!



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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Shawnna:

I went to read the information at the link that rdube2 posted and I've found you guys (RU) have moved the goal posts one again.

I've discovered that on May 20th 2006, you made a post that you deleted on 30th October 2006 - smack in the middle of me pressing you guys at RU for more information about the original email.

Certainly doesn't bode well for RU does it - to censor information like that - right in the middle of this particular "issue".

Very suspicious.

Don't bother answering though as I'm sure you'll come up with some fully "justified" reason as to why you had to delete the information. No doubt that bit of information could have possibly discredited RU's side of the story in some way and it was safer for all just to delete it all together.

The reason I am making this post it to let others know that you are changing information as we speak.

I'm also glad there are lots of IT specialists on ATS as they will be able to confirm 100% what I say.

Cheers

JS



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 09:40 PM
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Jeddyhi:

>If you would indeed send me the actual email so I can open the header myself and check the IP, that would kill any lingering doubts as to Doty being the sender.

I'm sorry to disappoint you but that is not true.

I will elaborate with my response in a few days after I have read the thread that rdube2 posted and sifted through the information (or at least what hasn't been deleted).

Cheers

JS



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 10:30 PM
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To all:

I've just found that Shawnna has been very very naughty and has deleted ALL her posts from the board that I am supposed to use in my analysis regarding the linking of an IP address to Rick Doty.

Very convenient for RU Eh?

I have posted the deletions by the original post date, the date the post was deleted and the order of the deletion. If you look at the order of deletions, I think it is self explanatory in that Shawnna found a post that didn't look good and then, after back-tracking three posts and deleting those, she simply decided to delete ALL her posts from the link that rdube2 gave. Kind of paradox really, considering that the site is called "reality uncovered".

It should be renamed "reality covered up".

Anyhow, for everyone, here's the posts/deletions Shawnna made:

Post Data/Time-----------------Date/Time Deleted------------Order of deletion

18th May 2006: 1.50pm-------30th Oct. 2006: 9.33am----------------4
19th May 2006: 12.44pm------30th Oct. 2006: 9.34am----------------5
20th May 2006: 2.16pm--------30th Oct. 2006: 9.34am---------------6
22nd May 2006: 3.39pm-------30th Oct. 2006: 9.34am----------------7
25th May 2006: 6.55pm--------30th Oct. 2006: 9.35am----------------8
27th May 2006: 5.50am--------30th Oct. 2006: 9.35am----------------9
8th Jun. 2006: 2.14pm----------30th Oct. 2006: 9.35am--------------10
8th Jun. 2006: 2.29pm----------30th Oct. 2006: 9.36am--------------11
4th Jul. 2006: 5.01pm-----------30th Oct. 2006 9.36am---------------12
20th Aug. 2006: 11.41pm-------30th Oct. 2006 8.31am----------------3
23rd Aug. 2006: 9.38pm--------30th Oct. 2006 7.48am----------------2
28th Aug. 2006: 8.34am--------30th Oct. 2006 7.47am----------------1


I'll continue may analysis, however these deletions by you Shawnna certainly cast a VERY LARGE shadow over the realityuncovered (sorry, relalitycoveredup) site.

Cheers

JS

[edited because ATS strips spaces and I had to add ----'s]

[edit on 9-11-2006 by jumpspace]

[edit on 9-11-2006 by jumpspace]



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 11:12 PM
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I may have found a lead that could help explain the involvement of Hal Puthoff and Christopher 'Kit' Green in serpo.

Please read this carefully. I have been researching "The Nine".

From Peter Levanda's book - Sinister Forces - Book Two - page 243 - Andrija Puharich and a group called the "Round Table" were in contact with "The Nine" in 1953. "The Nine" claimed to be aboard a spacecraft hovering over the earth, called "Spectra".

Also in 1953, Jack Sarfatti began getting calls from someone speaking in a strange, metallic voice stating that it was the voice of a computer aboard a spacecraft hovering over the earth. One of the predictions in these calls was that in 20 years he would become involved with a group of people whose mission was the acceleration of human evolution through contact wit these otherworldly agencies. This is exactly what happened; in 1973 he began to develop contacts with other like-minded scientists through the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) and eventually Puharich himself. These other scientists included Russell Targ, Harold Puthoff and Ingo Swann.

With that in mind, please see this link for information on Dr. Green's involvement with SRI.

After reading the serpo articles at Reality Uncovered that mention both Hal Puthoff and Dr. Green, I thought this was an interesting connection that may be useful to those investigating this.

Love and Light,
GoddessOne


















[edit on 10-11-2006 by GoddessOne]



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by jumpspace
Jeddyhi:

>If you would indeed send me the actual email so I can open the header myself and check the IP, that would kill any lingering doubts as to Doty being the sender.

I'm sorry to disappoint you but that is not true.

I will elaborate with my response in a few days after I have read the thread that rdube2 posted and sifted through the information (or at least what hasn't been deleted).

Cheers

JS


I am not disappointed. I can trace an email from the header information. I have seen actual Doty email headers and can agree that at one time 71.37.144.20 was indeed an IP of Doty. If I can view the actual sylvester email and open the header information myself, I would consider that a milestone as I have only seen the header in text format (which would be as easy to spoof as updating one's resume). Spoofing the actual email header so the recipient receives false info is a lot harder to do but not impossible. Viewing the real deal, actual original anon email will satisfy my curiousity and cure any lingering doubt as to the sender. But I still look forward to whatever your analysis reveals.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 02:59 AM
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Serpo? Isn't That Some Sort Of Breakfast Cereal?


Originally posted by Eyesofbear
All i wanted to convey in my original post was that the concept of an exchange program is plausible and I wanted to congratulate the disinformation specialist for a job well done, they should be commended for mucking of Ufology into the forseeable future.

I completely agree that the fact Serpo is a demonstrable hoax doesn't mean an alien exchange program has not or could not exist.

However, and ironically enough, the question of whether an alien exchange ever took place ceased to be relevant to the Project Serpo story long, long ago.

All Serpo boils down to now is "who hoaxed who when", and though I admire the efforts of those who have worked so hard to expose them, when all is said and done, I really don't give a rat's hind end about a bunch of hoaxers. They're irrelevant.

Lies are cheap, the truth is priceless.

Accept No Substitutes

Anyone who is interested in the actual question of whether an alien exchange program exists or existed would be much better off starting from scratch and giving Serpo a wide berth.

If nothing else, Serpo's main promoter conclusively demonstrated that a "percentage of truth" is not a fitting substitute for actual truth.

It only takes one turd in the punchbowl to spoil the whole party.

Things like original research, FOIA requests, canvassing reliable sources and open collaboration are much more likely to produce worthwhile results when studying any "alternative" topic, and I salute anyone and everyone willing to dig in and follow the evidence, wherever it might lead them.

People with integrity must work hard for it, but may eventually be rewarded with the truth.

People without integrity wouldn't know the truth if it stared them in the face.

In my opinion, that's what the entire sordid Serpo saga boils down to: a case study in why honesty is the first and most important characteristic a sincere conspiracy theorist needs.

Without that, all else is meaningless.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
Serpo? Isn't That Some Sort Of Breakfast Cereal?
I completely agree that the fact Serpo is a demonstrable hoax doesn't mean an alien exchange program has not or could not exist.
However, and ironically enough, the question of whether an alien exchange ever took place ceased to be relevant to the Project Serpo story long, long ago.

It only takes one turd in the punchbowl to spoil the whole party.



That was my Mom's favorite line (the turd in a punchbowl). Serpo only serves as a classic case of deception. It reads like a novel and has more twists than Chubby Checker's concert. There is one ounce of truth and 5 pounds or horse poop, so we end up disposing of the whole mess.

Eventually, there will be more information that comes out and not through disinfo agents. The question is when.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by Majic

All Serpo boils down to now is "who hoaxed who when"



Perhaps. However, the intimate involvement of Hal Puthoff and Christopher 'Kit' Green in the sad serpo saga has never been adequately explained.



Things like original research, FOIA requests, canvassing reliable sources and open collaboration are much more likely to produce worthwhile results when studying any "alternative" topic, and I salute anyone and everyone willing to dig in and follow the evidence, wherever it might lead them.

People with integrity must work hard for it, but may eventually be rewarded with the truth.

People without integrity wouldn't know the truth if it stared them in the face.

In my opinion, that's what the entire sordid Serpo saga boils down to: a case study in why honesty is the first and most important characteristic a sincere conspiracy theorist needs.

Without that, all else is meaningless.



I absolutely agree.


I would add that people with integrity must also guard against being compromised by their own need for notoriety and those with hidden agendas.


Always,
Shawnna



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by jumpspace
To all:

I've just found that Shawnna has been very very naughty and has deleted ALL her posts from the board that I am supposed to use in my analysis regarding the linking of an IP address to Rick Doty.


Jumpspace, before you head off on a paranoid rampage - try reading the thread entitled "what happened to Shawnna?" on RU.

Secondly - all relevant information has not been deleted, it remains on the website at www.realityuncovered.com under the articles. Go to the link and work your way through parts 1 through part 9. Then come back here and continue at least knowing that you finally know the whole story. Because it's quite apparent right now, that you don't.

Either that - or you're intentionally trying to mislead people with lies. I certainly hope that's not the case.

-Ry



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Majic
Anyone who is interested in the actual question of whether an alien exchange program exists or existed would be much better off starting from scratch and giving Serpo a wide berth.

(snip..)

Things like original research, FOIA requests, canvassing reliable sources and open collaboration are much more likely to produce worthwhile results when studying any "alternative" topic, and I salute anyone and everyone willing to dig in and follow the evidence, wherever it might lead them.


Very well put Majic - I couldn't agree more.

Also, current hoaxes like this involving the "bird" members need to be understood within the historical context of other such disinfo previously distributed by members of that group. A positive side-effect of uncovering this particular hoax is knowing what the current activities of that group are - and hopefully moving a step closer toward uncovering their motives.



Originally posted by Shawnna
I would add that people with integrity must also guard against being compromised by their own need for notoriety and those with hidden agendas.


I would further add that people with integrity must also guard against the virus of excess paranoia that tends to infect the minds of far too many who take part in studying the field. Such an infection has driven many off the deep end.

-Ry


[edit on 10-11-2006 by rdube02]



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 10:29 AM
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openminds wrote:
"shawnna worked with wayne in order to usurp the original anonymous - FACT"

Shawnna wrote:
"This is a bald face LIE. Evidence to support it is required. Of course, we all know you have no evidence of ANYTHING. You'd be wise to take your unsupported statements back to your pathetic cult-in-the-making forum."

WHAT!!! Shawnna you may have deleted your posts at RU but Zep Tepi's admission still remains and I have the full text of your own admission!!!!

Here is the link to Zep Tepi's admission: www.realityuncovered.com...

Rdube wrote:

" None of the above is from the "impostor" anon b.s. that you keep harping on. That was barely one iota of the evidence against Serpo. Get over it..."

The fact is ALL of the RU "exposes" (plus serpo.info) were based on the imposter anonymous emails and the emails that Victor shared with Centrist (who he thought was Anon) Imposter Anonymous = The Gang of Four = Centrist, Zep Tepi, RyGuy(Rdube) and Shawnna, and that IS a FACT!!

Here is the full text of Shawnna's (now deleted) admission. (originaly on the same page as Zep's)



Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:30 am

ufonaut wrote:

Hello all,

I have a couple of questions for; Rguy, Zep Tepi and Shawnna, if I may?

Of course you may! As I hope most have noticed, this truly is a forum that welcomes all, and respects all! Unless a habit is made of using and/or quoting our posts to further the discussion on other forums that is!

Quote:
1. Were any of you aware of, or involved in the successful attempt by 'Wayne' to deceive Victor and acquire an unedited e-mail from 'Anon'? (presumably to check IP data)

I am aware of the success at identifying the source of the Serpo postings.

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2. Do any of you know the source of the serpo.info website and or information?(i.e. who is Tacitus.)

No, not specifically, but I have a pretty good idea.

Quote:
3. Do you still believe ICIS is responsible for the Serpo information?


I have never believed that ICIS was responsible in any way for the Serpo information.

What I postulated earlier is that I can see how this might happen, given the dynamic of the politics involved.

And after reviewing the interview conducted today with Dr. Webre, I can say with absolute certainty that ICIS is not involved in any way with anything related to Serpo, or it's plan b story - Seinu.

What I do believe, is that there is a concerted effort to thwart Expolitics. This organized effort is supported by significant evidence, including the creation and promulgation of disinformation that is designed to shape and control the way "we" think of off-planet cultures.

This interview, once approved for publishing by Dr. Webre, will be quite revealing with respect to the truth of what our staff have noticed in both the Serpo and Seinu posts.


I also have access to a very long and full admission from Zep which clearly implicates Shawnna, but I will not post that as it was shared in confidence whilst Zep was a mod at OM.

LDN

[edit on 10-11-2006 by ufonaut]



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by ufonaut
The fact is ALL of the RU "exposes" (plus serpo.info) were based on the imposter anonymous emails and the emails that Victor shared with Centrist (who he thought was Anon) Imposter Anonymous = The Gang of Four = Centrist, Zep Tepi, RyGuy(Rdube) and Shawnna, and that IS a FACT!!


As I posted above. Read the actual exposes and then you might realize that what you wrote above couldn't be further from the truth. Nothing close to fact.

The expose's cover the following (and I will follow up each line with where the evidence came from so you can set yourself straight as far as "facts"). Anything apended with "as you've stated" came from the "imposter" info as you've pointed out - everything else came from other sources. Please examine how the overwhelming majority of our evidence came from other sources.

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1. Richard Doty sent the first "Anonymous" email in November

Evidence:
- Statements and forwarded Anon1 email from Victor (as you've stated)
- Statements from members of the "team of 5", directly to us, confirming that fact.


2. Richard Doty sent the "Paul McGovern" emails confirming the Serpo material.

Evidence:
- Statements and forwarded email from Victor (as you've stated)
- Statements from members of the "team of 5", directly to us, confirming that fact.
- Statements within emails between the "team of 5" referencing that fact.

3. Bill Ryan, Victor Martinez, Rick Doty, Christopher (Kit) Green, and Harold (Hal) Puthoff took part in the "Team of 5" discussions to help analyze and "handle" incoming releases - within these discussions Rick presented himself as an "expert" in IT matters.

Evidence:
- Over 100 emails between the "team of 5"

4. Rick Doty's claims (in "Exempt From Disclosure" and in discussions with individuals) to have passed the NM Bar Exam, and subsequent claims of having gone to UNM, were all disproved as lies.

Evidence:
- Editions 1 and 2 of "Exempt from Disclosure"
- Documents and statements obtained (by Shawnna alone) from both the New Mexico Bar Assoc. and University of New Mexico.

5. Rick's emailed threats against Shawnna, once she revealed his "Bar Exam" lie, were revealed.

Evidence:
- A number of emailed threats from Rick Doty to Shawnna (8 within a 1 hour period)
- Statement from Rick's Supervisor that he was spoken to about the matter, and to contact him should Shawnna receive anything further from him.

6. Lucianarchy's claim (admin of OM) of "insider" confirmation of Serpo being "disclosure" from Christopher "Kit" Green was disproved.

Evidence:
- Kit's own statement (via phone and via email) that he had never heard of this person before being asked a question by Luci about Serpo. Dr. Green provided an innocent speculation, which Luci turned around and posted to his moderators as "evidence" that Serpo is active "disclosure".

7. Bill Ryan's covering for Rick's "info drop" at the Laughlin conference was revealed.

Evidence:
- Bill Ryan's own statements to Steve and I via chat and email

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The EVIDENCE that this (Serpo) came from Rick Doty goes far beyond the one issue of the Anon#1 email. I realize that you guys over at OM are hung up on that issue - but for those intelligent enough and willing enough to step back and look at the big picture - all of the details (and additional evidence) above draws a pretty clear picture of Rick Doty's central involvement in the Serpo hoax.

Think you can prove that the Anon#1 email is faked or has a forged header? Go for it. How are you going to explain for Rick's activities with the "team of 5" (containing 2 other members of the disinfo-renowned "Aviary)? How are you going to explain for Rick's activities with Bill at the Laughlin conference - or Bill's own admission that he received all of his info from Rick without verification.. Or Victor's own admission, as well as admissions from other members of the "team of 5" that many of the emails traced back to Rick? And here you guys are splittin' hairs over a single email. Are you all over at OM seriously that blind??

-Ry




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[edit on 10-11-2006 by rdube02]



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 11:09 AM
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Hey gang, How's it going?

So it has almost been a year since this story started.

I guess we are all still waiting on those photographs?

*ducks and takes cover*




posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by ufonaut
openminds wrote:
"shawnna worked with wayne in order to usurp the original anonymous - FACT"

Shawnna wrote:
"This is a bald face LIE. Evidence to support it is required. Of course, we all know you have no evidence of ANYTHING. You'd be wise to take your unsupported statements back to your pathetic cult-in-the-making forum."

WHAT!!! Shawnna you may have deleted your posts at RU but Zep Tepi's admission still remains and I have the full text of your own admission!!!!

Here is the link to Zep Tepi's admission: www.realityuncovered.com...


I also have access to a very long and full admission from Zep which clearly implicates Shawnna, but I will not post that as it was shared in confidence whilst Zep was a mod at OM.



Bloody hell! So reality uncovered staff and ats' centrist were actualy INVOLVED in using a false instrument in order to obtain information by deception?!!

Hey, springer!! What's going on here!!!
The above evidence seems to show * only your* guys have been doing any HOAXING - even worse, it seems that it lead to the 'sacking' of the original anonymous!!! ... and funnily enough, that was exactly when your 'centrist' started the orginal Serpo ' thread over here!!! AFTER release 10!! After the original anonymous had been sacked when his position was compromised during the incident involving shawnna and centrist! Pretending to be the real anonymous in order to 'hack' into the loop was disgraceful imo. I smell something rotten - and it must be the reason why you banned 'openminds' - you are scared your own readers may discover the disgusting truth, and don't bother by saying that 'openminds' was a 'scokpuppet' or something, because 'goddess one' is 'shawnna's' OWN sockpuppet!!
If your hoaxing lead to the shut down any real or even partial disclosure, Gaia help you.... You can keep burying your 'bloody corpse', but there are too many people now who will come and shove it right back in your face


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posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 01:54 PM
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Hey, rdube - why haven't you sent Jeddyhi the full and complete document that you promised?? All your above "evidence" is nonsense without any proof to back it up!! Did Kit Green tell you that email headers are easily forged? Didn't Centrist get given a copy of the software that does exactly that? If so, why are your employing 'selective' reality to uncover??!! It's what remains covered that *now* seems to be FAR more interesting!

Hey, Majic, man - come on - don't get sucked in to the 'party line'! You know as well as anyone else who has followed this - there has benn NO PROOF WHATSOEVER of any hoax - only supposition and speculation. Where's your scepticism, dude?! Where's the actual EVIDENCE??!




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