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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 04:53 PM
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Be serios please, from terorist like Hani Hanjour geting on the plane with out a ticket to the autopsy that show there were no arabs it's all clear.
the official report is a joke.

The FBI addmited,we dont know who are the terrorist,so they dont know who are the suspects, after they start showing up alive.

Question where did the FBI get the pictures, names, and dates of birth?
I wonder why howard is not around.



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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:01 PM
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im being totally serious


id also like to know the location of info in regards to your ticket and autopsy claims;
not saying youre a liar, just would like to see some links or something


well for one im sure howard is a grown man with other responsibilites to take care of. he was on a lot today and cant spend all his time on ATS

in regards to the fbi claiming they dont know who the hijackers were, was TEN days after september 11th. (news.bbc.co.uk...)
in the same article its stated how
"It believes (the FBI) that some of the hijackers used false identities, possibly even names of people who are still alive, which could significantly complicate the manhunt."

but then cleared it up a month and change later
www.cbsnews.com...

so first, people claim the suspicion of the FBI having identities so quickly after the attacks, then are doubly suspicious when the FBI expresses initial doubt in their investigation



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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by blatantblue
im being totally serious

Okay, if you are serios aswer the folowing questions.

A
Where did the fbi get the names , pictures, and , birth data sice any remains are not availble and nothing turned out on the autopsy.
B
How did Hani Hanjour get on the plane with out a ticket

2 quoestions , I have more but I would like you to answer those first.

You will see that what ever you come up wont make sence and it proves that is a scam


id also like to know the location of info in regards to your ticket and autopsy claims;
not saying youre a liar, just would like to see some links or something

A Every one knows there were no arabs discoverd after the autopsy was done.
B No listing on flight 77 had arabs no matter how they were modifyed.
How ever for credibility I will find you a link that confirms no arabs at autopsy.


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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:12 PM
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ill answer your questions after you provide me with something more than word of mouth


and pleeeaAAASE dont ask me to take Alex Jones' word for it. or whoever else.


in regards to ID'ing hijackers...

video helps

news.bbc.co.uk...

stuff like that

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so lets suppose hani hanjour didnt have a ticket

what about the other 18?

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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:23 PM
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"It believes (the FBI) that some of the hijackers used false identities, possibly even names of people who are still alive, which could significantly complicate the manhunt."

Aha , here to show you , it does not make sence.
Why would terrorists that plan on dieing in a plane crash use fake id's, to do what, what would fake id's do?, would it helped to acoplish anything? NO , remember ??????? FBI, CIA, NSA had no prior knolege ,it's in the commision report, read it, why go to all the time to fake id's when you plan on dieing, I'm sorry it does not make sence, especialy when you are a terrorist you want people to know you.

What makes sence is that FBI wanted to find a scape goat , blame some one, so they picked random people from saudy arabia on a short notice right after the atack.

other things wrong with your theory are exept one passport magigly floating on the ground there no passports,id's.
So they had no way to know, so how reach the colclusion that it was those people even if they used fake id's
The story does not hold water is bogus.
it's stinks, it's perfect for conspiracy theory, and it becomes a conspiracy since no aswers to the problem are provided.



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:27 PM
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why not use fakes?

you want to cover your tracks, make things more confusing for anyone trying to tail you.


as for your quote of my quote

the fbi initially believed SOME of them used fake ids...

later on, in the link i provided, they stated they definitively knew the hijackers identities...
www.cbsnews.com...
"We at this point definitely know the 19 hijackers who were responsible," he said. "We have been successful in working with our foreign counterparts in identifying places where the conspiracy we believe was hatched as well as others who may have been involved in the conspiracy."

just read everything i post please


and in no way am i making fun of you, but i dont understand what you mean by the following:
"other things wrong with your theory are exept one passport magigly floating on the ground there no passports,id's. "



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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by blatantblue
why not use fakes?

you want to cover your tracks, make things more confusing for anyone trying to tail you.

A why cover your tracks when you want to die?
B why make things more confusing when you want the world to know you
C you would put the mission in danger by making fake id's , they might catch you before you can cary out the event, why risck at all when no one knows what you want to do,

I'm sorry it does not make sence.




later on, in the link i provided, they stated they definitively knew the hijackers identities...

from where? show me the lists of the airlines, did they find any id's after the crash?? how did they come to the conclusion they were saudis?
No fake id's were found.

Your link does not provide any names and how they found out.


Mueller provided no new information on the hijackers' identities beyond his statement at a briefing Friday for reporters. Neither did he name any of the places abroad where authorities now believe the conspiracy was initiated, or any of the other conspirators.

So how did the FBI come to the conclusion they were from saudy arabia?





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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:40 PM
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you want to cover your tracks during the whole thing so no one stops you before you execute the op.

you make the world know you after, someone else makes your group known for you.



omgosh man

"We at this point definitely know the 19 hijackers who were responsible," he said. "We have been successful in working with our foreign counterparts in identifying places where the conspiracy we believe was hatched as well as others who may have been involved in the conspiracy."

thats how they found out

no names are provided because they already were! the point is they werent totally sure at first, then after working with foreign counterparts they came to the conclusion those were the guys

i dont know how they came to the conclusion what country they were from

say i dont know, working with those foreign counterparts again?

whatever man, youre not gonna provide the links about the allegations you were making above, so ill stop posting and you can return to your bubble

"Omen" time anyway. if you provide something im sure ill see it later and if someone else hasnt addressed it, i will. good luck


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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by blatantblue
you want to cover your tracks during the whole thing so no one stops you before you execute the op.

what whole thing
you serios? wait explain to me the whole thing??? once they were on the plane, that was the whole thing.

A
You mean produce fake id's for 19 men then risk living under a fake identity and being traced as using fake id's, and all that to put the mission at risk.

Before commiting the act they were clean,no one knew what they wanted to do so we've been told, so really fake id's for what?

B
How did the fbi know they were using fake id's ???
Okay here let me tell you,they get on the plane right? they crash it? how does the FBI come to the conclusion that from 100 people on the plane those are the terrorists?
They all board the plane right?
They all are pasangers right?
So from let's say from 64 pasangers how do you know which ones are the terrorists?
They all board the plane the same,they are all clean when they get in the plane.
1 They cant ask them, remember they are all dead .
2 There is no negociation with the terrorists.
3 Arabs dont even show up on the flight list, and even if they were arabs on the flight list, how do we know they did it?
It all stinks trust me

Conclusion: there is no way of posible knowing, the fbi picked random people from arab nations.

Ohhh my it's a conspiracy


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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 05:56 PM
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the whole thing, my friend, is the beginning of planning til the final execution. the whole thing isnt going on to the plane. the whole thing is getting a place to live, jobs (?), blending in, staying dark, etc etc.

come on, are you coherent?


also, youre basing your whole argument on the fact that they DEFINITELY used fake ids, we dont even know. the fbi considered that possiblity at first, but then later said they were totally confident those were the guys


you come to the conclusion of who they were, bro, by looking at patterns!!!

if you watch boarding film of the crashed flights and see a pattern of 4-5 arabs on each, somethings gonna raise your suspicion

but seriously man you dodged everything i wanted to know up on the top of this thread. youre not backing up your claims and it cant continue man.

and they picked 19 guys from ONE random nation, is that what you mean?




we can keep going though, itll get me closer to being out of the negative ATS points area


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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by blatantblue
you come to the conclusion bro by looking at patterns!!!

if you watch boarding film of the crashed flights and see a pattern of 4-5 arabs on each, somethings gonna raise your suspicion

but seriously man you dodged everything i wanted to know up on the top of this thread. youre not backing up your claims and it cant continue man.


If you read my post I do back up my clames.
How ever you give explenations that dont make sence.
Arabs with fake id's that are planing to crash.

1 we dont know if the arabs did it, the FBI does not have the evidence.
2 fake id's dont make sence.
3 even more worring , if they used fake id's then we dont really know who they are

4 the FBI comes in 24 hours with names, pictures, dates of birth on CNN before any tape of binladen is relised.



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 06:22 PM
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i dont get it
i didnt give explinations about fake ids. i said the fbi was doubtful, thinking the hijackers used fake ids, then cemented their belief later on, and said THOSE were the guys.
the whole fake id thing is speculation

so first something is wrong when they immediately come out with people who they think were behind the attacks...

then somethings wrong when they express some doubt a few days later about who they accused

i dont know man


bro youre not backing up much. im just supposed to take your word for it

look at the top of this page when i asked you to really back your hanjour and other comments up. you conveniently forgot about that

as for ids, it was speculation, nothing definitive on it.

if they did use them, you can still find out who they are! you have them on video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i cant do it anymore man
have fun
this isnt worth the ats points



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posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by blatantblue
i dont get it
i didnt give explinations about fake ids. i said the fbi was doubtful, thinking the hijackers used fake ids, then cemented their belief later on, and said THOSE were the guys.
the whole fake id thing is speculation

so if everything is speculation we dont know for sure who it was.
so if they used faked id's we for sure dont know who the real atackers are
so with out any evidence how come up to this conclusion.




bro youre not backing up much. im just supposed to take your word for it

FBI statement


So, one fact is apparent. If those who hijacked the 9/11 airplanes were using stolen identities, then we don't know who they were or who they worked for. We can't. It's impossible.

They dont even know who did it.



if they did use them, you can still find out who they are! you have them on video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On video where in the plane?
No matter if they were arabs, the question remains, from 100 pasanger list how do you know they did it?
Or are you insisting that just for the fact that they are arabs they did it.
Because there is no evidence of arabs crashing the plane in to the building, it could of been any one from the pasanger list.
Even if they board the plane it does not prove anything, it just proves they are passangers.
So how do you prove they crashed the plane?
1 they are all dead, you cant ask them, hey did you crash it.
it's being inocent untilproven guilty.
There is no evidence.



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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Were not the Towers Built to withstand bombs, 747's flying into them ect?......From what i remember they were both built to last...

Drow....



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by snoochies
Report:
High-rise Office Building Fire
One Meridian Plaza
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
February 23, 1991

City of Philadelphia Fire Department
240 Spring Garden Street
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19123-2991
(215) 592-5962
OVERVIEW
A fire on the 22nd floor of the 38-story Meridian Bank Building,
also known as One Meridian Plaza, was reported to the Philadelphia Fire
Department on February 23, 1991 at approximately 2040 hours and [size-=5]burned for more than 19 hours. The fire caused three firefighter fatalities and
injuries to 24 firefighters. The 12-alarms brought 51 engine companies, 15
ladder companies, 11 specialized units, and over 300 firefighters to the
scene. It was the largest high-rise office building fire in modern American
history -- completely consuming eight floors of the building -- and was
controlled only when it reached a floor that was protected by automatic
sprinklers.

19 hours? The 38 story highrise DIDN'T even WEAKEN!!!!!!!!!!!

Read the rest here....119 pages .pdf format.Phliadelphia, PA Meridian Building Fire


Sorry Charlie. What you are missing is the initial structural damage caused by the large, missle-like aircraft that plowed into both at top speed. And also the instant inferno caused by JP fuel as opposed to burning trash or whatever caused the Philly blaze.

But nice try.



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 07:05 PM
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that is quite an attractive woman in your picture, troubleshoota


anywho, carry on



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 07:57 PM
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Sorry Charlie. What you are missing is the initial structural damage caused by the large, missle-like aircraft that plowed into both at top speed. And also the instant inferno caused by JP fuel as opposed to burning trash or whatever caused the Philly blaze.


Lets not forget what else he seems to overlook in the report.





All interior firefighting efforts were halted after almost 11 hours of
uninterrupted fire in the building. Consultation with a structural engineer
and structural damage observed by units operating in the building led to
the belief that there was a possibility of a pancake structural collapse of
the fire damaged floors.





Fuel loading on the fire floors consisted mainly of files and papers
associated with securities trading and management consulting. At least one
floor had a significant load of computer and electronic equipment. In
some cases, correlation could be found between heavy fuel load and
damage to structural members in the affected area.





Prior to deciding to evacuate the building, firefighters noticed
significant structural displacement occurring in the stair enclosures.






After the fire, there was evident significant structural
damage to horizontal steel members and floor sections on most of the fire
damaged floors. Beams and girders sagged and twisted -- some as much as
three feet





19 hours? The 38 story highrise DIDN'T even WEAKEN


I think you need to read the report yourself.



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 09:06 PM
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They eventually wound up dismantling the building.

www.phillyblast.com...



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
They eventually wound up dismantling the building.

www.phillyblast.com...


Another textbook example of the pancake collapse.


Btw, sagging is what's expected. This is no breakthrough in structural engineering. What floors don't do, is fail across the board in a single instant and fall straight down and begin to knock out every single floor below without losing momentum the whole time. This is while most of the mass (important variable) is being chucked outwards and IS NOT falling straight down onto lower floors. That's a type of collapse that, without acknowledging explosives, deserves a place on library shelves next to Peter Pan and Cinderella.



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 10:25 PM
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Yeah, Too bad the WTC towers were not designed like a conventional building. Of course they would have been much shorter and probably not targets then.



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