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Originally posted by grimreaper797
I suggest you take a look at the guy who made this document up. Allen Dulles. This guy organized the iran overthrow in 1953(maybe 1954) and guatamala overthrow in 1953(maybe 1954) (i get the iran and guatamala dates mixed up). Was a major planner behind the bay of pigs. Made Project Northwoods, where kennedy fired him for making it because if kennedy didnt, it might have actually happened. So after kennedy dies, this guy is on the original Warren Commission where he voted that the kennedy assassination wasnt a conspiracy, yet a commission 20 years later deemed it most likely was.
this guy had a history of making very malicious attacks, with little regards to life. He treated american lives like a number, and if they were worth getting killed for the benefits. A man that planned the bay of pigs, you dont think he would do this as well?
anyway im almost positive in the future we will see the information leaked and eventually as time goes by we will find out the truth. We will uncover more and more and see through the lies.
I dont think the government did it, businesses did. They own the government though, they own the military, they own the media, they have there hands in just about everything. you dont think a couple multibillion dollar business with the prospect of making more billions of dollars actually care about killing of a couple thousand american slaves?
Originally posted by The Big O
I don't understand...
If it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, why did my friend who lives and works in DC, see a plane hit the Pentagon?
Was he halucinating?
He seems pretty sure it was a plane.
-O
Originally posted by OneSidedCookie
Originally posted by pepsi78
What a lame debunk, It looked like a school boy debunked it, how he starts with operation north woods is just plain rong, boming with mortar sheels guantanomo?arent us soldiers american citizens ?
And the more debunking he does the more idiotic he sounds, in the end he becomes ridicules, words like "was galileio there" or something like that, or saying milion of steal buildings colapsed do to fire , or that the explosions were from the colapsing building, the explosions that go off are before the tower starts to colapse and has nothing to do with the colapse, it's just a lame counter operation done by who knows what kind of a person which needs to grow up .
Did you forgot that he pointed out the numerous flaws in Loose Change, such as the following:
- Wrong engine part on Flight 77
- The 'fake' voices on Flight 93
- The Osama 'fake' confession tape (type up on Google "Muslim Culture Left Hand")
- WTC7, showing how LC hides evidence like the southside of the building
- The tents
- The pentagon engine part found
- The 'B-52' bomber
He does a good job showing how heavily flawed Loose Change is and shouldn't be trusted at all.
[edit on 4-6-2006 by OneSidedCookie]
quote:
The whole country was aware. For example, at 9:06 AM the NY Police broadcast:
" 'This was a terrorist attack. Notify the Pentagon.'"
--'Daily News' (New York) 12 September 2001 (2)
'American Forces Press Service' reported that ordinary people working at the Pentagon worried they could be next
'We were watching the World Trade Center on the television,' said a Navy officer. 'When the second plane deliberately dove into the tower, someone said, 'The World Trade Center is one of the most recognizable symbols of America. We're sitting in a close second.'" --'DEFENSELINK News', Sept. 13, 2001 (3)
Air Force Lt. Col. Vic Warzinski, another Pentagon spokesman, [said]: 'The Pentagon was simply not aware that this aircraft was coming our way, and I doubt prior to Tuesday's event, anyone would have expected anything like that here.'"
On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter took off (or scrambled) to protect the city.
The District of Columbia National Guard maintained fighter planes at Andrews Air Force Base, only about 15 miles [sic!] from the Pentagon, but those planes were not on alert and not deployed."
--'USA TODAY' September 17, 2001 (5)
Originally posted by diggs
"They saw what they saw, but was what they saw what they saw?"
www.snopes.com...
The real explanation is, as usual, much simpler and more mundane:
Tom Kenney simply mixed up his days of the week, saying "Monday" when he meant "Tuesday" and "Tuesday" when he meant "Wednesday." As someone who muddled through quite a few television interviews in the aftermath of September 11, I know how easy it is to become disoriented and confused during live interviews, attempting to hear questions coming to you through an earpiece and respond to the disembodied voice of an interviewer whom you can't see while bright lights are shined in your eyes. A person unused to the experience does well if he manages to get through a three-minute interview without making a whole host of mistakes. That someone who had been working around-the-clock in a crisis situation for two days straight might lose track of the day of the week is quite an understandable human error.
Moreover, a reporter from the Boston Herald tracked down Tom Kenney to verify that he was not in New York City on September 10:
To confirm, the Herald called the Kenney home on Cape Cod and spoke to Kenney's wife, who said that her husband did go to New York on Sept. 11, not Sept. 10. She explained that he was under extreme stress when Rather interviewed him, and added wryly that it was typical of her husband to confuse dates.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Here's what you're looking at, from a psychological perspective:
* A very narrow amount of time to view the event.
* Chances are, a bad angle in which to view the event.
* The object in question is moving very rapidly, in addition to your split second to view it.
* Stress and/or trauma will complicate your recollection.
* Critical influence after-the-fact with people running about saying a plane had hit the Pentagon, or etc., which would also greatly affect your recollection.
Very poor circumstances for any eyewitness in this case. You need video evidence, put simply.
Originally posted by LeftBehind
The real explanation is, as usual, much simpler and more mundane:
Tom Kenney simply mixed up his days of the week, saying "Monday" when he meant "Tuesday" and "Tuesday" when he meant "Wednesday."
However, on the recording Kenney is complaining about not getting full access to the site until "today". Kenney talks about a Monday, a Tuesday, and "today". That's three days.
Ifthe above recording was made on Wednesday, September 12th as claimed, then the explanation that Kenney was simply confused about the days doesn't work, because there is one more day than can be accounted for.
"... the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed."
The transcript of Giuliani's interview was omitted from the commission's website. 4
Originally posted by LeftBehind
Actually FEMA was not there the day before.
Tom Kenney simply mixed up his days of the week
To confirm, the Herald called the Kenney home on Cape Cod and spoke to Kenney's wife, who said that her husband did go to New York on Sept. 11, not Sept. 10. She explained that he was under extreme stress when Rather interviewed him, and added wryly that it was typical of her husband to confuse dates.
That is just another lie pushed by the "truth movement."
Why do we need eyewitness reports at all when we have Physical Evidence of a 757
Originally posted by bsbray11
And this is all assuming that the fires were hot enough or lasted long enough to do any significant damage, which is another assumption than has never been justified with any conclusive evidence.
[edit on 5-6-2006 by bsbray11]
Originally posted by Masisoar
Bingo, after the jet fuel pretty much was exhausted, there's not much else in the building that could cause an enriched flame hot enough to cause any major damage.
Originally posted by polanksi
6-9 of the hijackers are alive and well and living in the Middle East. There is video of them being interviewed by the BBC. That sounds like a black op to me, indentities were stolen to implicate the innocent and protect the guilty. A passport/lincence survived the crash and fire and was found on the street later, really? One of the workers at ground zero testified that he discovered black boxes that the government says were detroyed for the first time in aviation history. Building 7 with almost no damage collapses, why? If all of the offical story is correct then they should have had a complete investigation of the WTC remains not ship it out under armed guard and sell it to China. Why did the investigation into the stock options purchased before 9/11 suddenly just stop?
I don't know if you just want to believe that your government would not do anything like this or if you are trying to misinform. What about the anthrax it was a hot item until they found its source, Fort Detrick, Md.
Originally posted by Masisoar
Steven Jones
Just scroll down a little bit, it's in bold.