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Originally posted by semperfortis
There may be any number of Conservative Members out there, but they either remain silent or become silent after being bombarded by the left's defamation of their core beliefs and character.
The attacks I have witnessed are derogatory and inflaming at most and vicious and untrue at the least.
Being a conservative in today’s atmosphere is challenging, yet how can any American watch the Liberals scream, Dean, and rant, Gore, and use language such as Traitor, War Criminal and Dictator to describe our President and not attempt to defend someone so very downtrodden?
Reading and rereading the speeches leading up to the war, it is profoundly apparent that WMD’s were only a minor concern,
Of course they never will, they simply want anything to complain about, any talking points to throw out in condemnation to this current President. The very nature of their inability to debate on this forum or in any public venue is very indicative of the emotional nature of their argument and not the substance of their words.
In debate class we learn first, that to properly debate and “get” our point across we must remain dispassionate and removed.
This has escaped the liberals at some point and continues to elude them. Liberals use fear tactics, out of context quoting and the passionate, emotional outburst to send their message to the public.
That is the “rub” anyway. You lost and you lost big. Now you’re desperate to get any power back that you can. So your tactics are to discredit and defame Republicans as much as you can until the American Public begins to swallow all of the garbage you are forcing down their throats.
Well, if you get your Democratic president, and the country goes back into the darkness then I guess I can say, “I told you so.”
Originally posted by Jadette
Oddly enough, when i first came here in 2004, it seemed very right leaning to me around here.
I think what you're seeing is a reflection of the growing discontent with the right. I think ATS reflects the current political climate in general as I have seen it swing about.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Why is it a problem for you that other people are freely expressing their opinion? ATS is a discussion board, there is nothing preventing anyone from expressing any opinions, except perhaps the foreknowledge that a weak argument is going to be torn apart. Thats probably why we don't see as much expression of the so called 'conservative party line' that you are missing.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I think that what semperfortis was referring to was the sensationalism and rhetoric that accompanies many arguments against this administration and it's policies. Terms such as "police state" and "erosion of liberties" are thrown around to evoke an emotional response, without careful analysis. And, more often than not, there are no alternative solutions offered; all that are offered are raving attacks.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Originally posted by Nygdan
I think that what semperfortis was referring to was the sensationalism and rhetoric that accompanies many arguments against this administration and it's policies. Terms such as "police state" and "erosion of liberties" are thrown around to evoke an emotional response, without careful analysis. And, more often than not, there are no alternative solutions offered; all that are offered are raving attacks.
Exactly that!
Not one word on alternative solutions, simply constant negative remarks in regards to every solution put forth by the Conservatives. More and more all you see are criticisms of Conservative Ideas, no alternate solutions or even suggestions, only how bad our ideas are.
That was a HUGE issue with Kerry. He never once clearly defined what his policy was toward anything. He spent his entire time talking about how bad the Bush policy was.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Excuse me. Are you saying that the " so called 'conservative party line' " does not have any arguments to offer that are valid? That they are "weak" and destined to be "torn apart"?
Terms such as "police state" and "erosion of liberties" are thrown around to evoke an emotional response, without careful analysis.
semperfortis
That was a HUGE issue with Kerry. He never once clearly defined what his policy was toward anything. He spent his entire time talking about how bad the Bush policy was.
I know that he and the the Republican Congress let the "Assault Weapons Ban" to sunset.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Excuse me. Are you saying that the " so called 'conservative party line' " does not have any arguments to offer that are valid? That they are "weak" and destined to be "torn apart"?
I'd be glad to debate topics such as immigration control or Social Security reform, to nullify your conclusion that the conservative position is "weak".
Terms such as "police state" and "erosion of liberties" are thrown around to evoke an emotional response, without careful analysis. And, more often than not, there are no alternative solutions offered; all that are offered are raving attacks.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Right leaning? the main staff members are the same in the site as in 2004, and back then, at least in ATSNN, only reporters could make threads in ATSNN as "long as there wasn't any bias on the thread".... So i guess for you posting threads without bias is "right leaning"?.....
[edit on 5-6-2006 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by df1
Originally posted by jsobecky
Excuse me. Are you saying that the " so called 'conservative party line' " does not have any arguments to offer that are valid? That they are "weak" and destined to be "torn apart"?
The republican "conservative party line" does not exist and that is why it is "weak" and destined to be torn apart. Richard A. Viguerie, one of the leading republican political pundits is in agreement with this assessment.
I'd be glad to debate topics such as immigration control or Social Security reform, to nullify your conclusion that the conservative position is "weak".
You have no conservative position to debate, as the bush administration is not conservative.
Terms such as "police state" and "erosion of liberties" are thrown around to evoke an emotional response, without careful analysis. And, more often than not, there are no alternative solutions offered; all that are offered are raving attacks.
But it is ok with you for politicians to wrap themselves in the flag and to throw around phrases, such as, "patriot act" and "free speech zones", to evoke an emotional response.
When we had liberties all of america was a free speech zone, but now police incarceration of political protesters behind fences is called a "free speech zone" in present day doublespeak. This is not conservative, it is completely unamerican.
You are not a conservative and definitely not a patriot.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Please take careful consideration of the context in which these "raving attacks" are delivered.
This is because conspiracy theorists are skeptical, critical, and harsh of any party that occupies the oval office, house, senate, and anything else between there and your local school board.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I guarantee you that if the left wins the oval office, you won't see the same people criticizing the next president that are criticizing Bush.
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