As far as the (to me) obviously Freudian slip in the video clip is concerned, consider this another INDICATION that there is an awful lot bubbling
under Rumsfeld's bonnet that he and his co-conspirators would much rather didn't see the light of day. Again, this can only be my opinion and
constitutes an INDICATION, not EVIDENCE of his culpability or at least that he has witheld information. The statement is quite out of context given
the official line on what happened to that flight, not to mention that such a mistake is doubly unlikely given the recent focus on the events in the
American media following a dramatisation such as "United '93" appearing from Hollywood.
As for the plane being shot down over Pennsylvania, I wonder if anyone else here has heard of a gentleman named Colonel Donn De Grande-Pre
He arranged a symposium involving a group of high ranking military, commercial and civilian pilots in Portugal in October 2001 (if I remember
correctly) with the aim of using their combined expertise to analyse the events and determine what most likely happened. He was apparently blocked
from holding this meeting in the US - in which they deliberated for three days non-stop and between them came to some very telling conclusions about
the way the aircraft strikes on 9/11 were most likely conducted.
A pdf summarising the news reports covering the meeting, and the conclusions arrived at by the committee, is available here:
And I also believe he was interviewed by Alex Jones in 2002, the transcript is available here:
The most pertinent point to this thread that he raises is that through his extensive contacts at the highest levels of the US military and air force
(who he names), he has established that the plane was indeed shot down over Pennsylvania by a pilot belonging the North Dakota Air Guard (known as the
"Happy Hooligans") at approximately 10:00, the order given by the Adj. General of the NDAG in contravention of the stand down order given by Dick
Here is a short segment from his testimony in the AJ interview (link above):
They were out of Hector Field, Fargo, North Dakota. A bunch, this 119 Fighter Group and they are called the Happy Hooligans. They are probably the
best interceptors that we have in the country. They were moved to Langley Air Force Base from Hector Field down to Southern Virginia. And when the
klaxon horn went off at 9:35, those two pilots put down their coffee and shot into their aircraft and took off. They didn't know where they were
going initially but by 10:00 hours, they had rendezvoused over Southern Pennsylvania. That's about 250 miles in just a matter of minutes and engaged
93 with two side-winder missiles. And they accomplished their objective. Now Hector Field, I use to fly out of Hector Field some time ago. I know most
of those pilots. I could name names. I know the National Guard Adj. General. And they were decorated about a year later and I have the full write up
of that story in my book.
I've read the first of Colonel De Grande-Pre's books and can thoroughly recommend it - it's so good that the one person I've lent it to over a
year ago keeps avoiding giving it back
Again, this does not constitute PROOF - but then by now we all know what a scarce commodity that is when you're the "little guy" ferreting out
information on the crimes committed by those with such effective means of erasing incriminating evidence.
However, much of the Colonel's information checks out, as does his extensive and highly decorated history of service in the armed forces. I believe
that on many of the issues he raises, and given the quality of the references and writing in the one book I have read, he is a reliable source - or at
least as reliable as any other.
[edit on 26-6-2006 by fulcanelli]