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How does the world REALLY stop terrorism?
Originally posted by IrvingTheExplainer
How does the world REALLY stop terrorism?
Originally posted by zerotolerance
It's called The Second Coming...
...and eventually and inevitably it will occur....
The question is "When?".
Originally posted by IrvingTheExplainer
I would be interested to see others thoughts on the matter.
Originally posted by Enkidu
The thing is, even suicide bombers have a good, practical reason for driving car bombs into buildings. They're not crazy. This kind of suicide is usually done because the bomber expects that their immediate family members, or at very least the people in their community, will benefit in some way because of the bomber's actions.
Some terrorist organizations even guarantee that the families of suicide terrorists will be paid or taken care of. It's a reasonable cost/benefit analysis.
So the answer is simple. Increase the subjective costs of their actions. If somebody does some terrorist act, you find out who they are (or were), then in the black of night you send out a team of ruthless killers who will mercilessly slaughter every man, woman, child and pet in the terrorist's immediate family. As messy as possible. Limbs severed. Mutilations. Blood everywhere.
Well, you say, what if you can't find out who the terrorist was? No matter. Somebody has to pay. Pick a family at random and kill them, making sure that everybody knows it because of the terrorist act. How long do you think that will go on before people will rush to make it clear exactly who the real terrorist was?
If you had a small army of 1,000 or so assassins, moving like bloodthirsty, avenging ghosts through the area,
Originally posted by Bikereddie
Excellent post Enkidu.
Your ideas sound fine, but they will not work. No matter what thinking a suicide bomber has, they will always go for the kill ,in the understanding that they will get a better afterlife. That is what they are told, and that is what they believe.
How can you make someone who is so intense on their religion and beliefs to think otherwise?
posted by IrvingTheExplainer
Just a question open for discussion is finding people like Bin Laden really the answer? Is finding any one person really going to make a difference? Our motto might as well be, "Defeating terrorism, one terrorist at a time." It's a lot like playing Whack a Mole. You hit one and another pops up. It never ends. I'm not hiding the fact I disagree with pretty much every move this administration has made. We can't go around and beat everyone up for their lunch money. We used to assist others in their time of need, now it seems we are the bully.
I think some people resort to terrorism because that's all they have. That's their last resort. Some complain there's not enough food in the world. You know what? There is. It's just not shared evenly. I rambled. Just needed to vent a little. I would be interested to see other’s thoughts on the matter. [Edited by Don W]
From The Atlantic Charter
The President of the United States of America and the Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, representing His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, make known common principles they base their hopes for a better future for the world.
First, their countries seek no territorial gains . .
Second, they desire no territorial changes that do not accord with the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned;
Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live;
Fourth, they will endeavor to further the enjoyment by all States, great or small, victor or vanquished, of access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world
Fifth, they desire improved labor standards, economic advancement and social security;
Sixth, after the destruction of the Nazi tyranny, all the men in all the lands may live out their lives in freedom from fear and want;
Seventh, all men to traverse the high seas without hindrance;
Eighth, all of the nations of the world must come to the abandonment of the use of force, they believe, pending the establishment of a permanent system of general security, that the disarmament of nations is essential.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Winston S. Churchill
State of the Union speech to Congress, by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, on January 6, 1941. Also known as the Four Freedoms Speech.
Mr. Speaker, members of the 77th Congress: I address you at a moment unprecedented in the history of the union. Armed defense of democratic existence is now being gallantly waged in four continents . . our national policy in foreign affairs has been based on a decent respect for the rights and the dignity of all nations . . we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of speech and expression - everywhere in the world.
The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way - everywhere in the world.
The third is freedom from want, which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants - everywhere in the world.
The fourth is freedom from fear, which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor - anywhere in the wold.
That is no vision of a distant millennium. The Congress of course, must rightly keep itself informed at all times of the progress of the program . .
To that high concept there can be no end save victory.
Originally posted by Aelita
Quite a baseless statement. Most often the terrorists don't care much about immediate family members and oftentimes had severed all ties with them. It is for the IDEA that they commit their crimes. For example, a Palestinian would blow himself up because he believes that this act could be a small contribution towards eventual end of the Israeli occupation and would please Allah as well. Even if the result is 50 years away.
You see, you look like a merciless and very sick animal when you write stuff like that. Do you have children of your own? Would you mutilate a child?
Besides the obvious disgusting part of this message, I dare you to send a team of ruthless killers to some Afghani village. They might as well disappear without a trace.
It has been tried by the Nazis and had very limited effect. In addition to being morally reprehensible and again, disgusting.
What an adolescent fantasy, fueled by computer games and actions movies... Try sending 1000 silent and deadly killers into Chechnya, for example, and see what happens. There will be 1000 heads chopped off in a matter of days.
Originally posted by Enkidu
I think you have probably been exposed to too much propaganda, which inaccurately portrays these people as some kind of fanatical, brainwashed robots.
I like to give people a little more credit than that. I like to think people have the same basic emotions and motivations I do.
You see, you look like a merciless and very sick animal when you write stuff like that. Do you have children of your own? Would you mutilate a child?
I told you it wouldn't be pleasant. But it would stop terrorism.
I, personally, wouldn't like to mutilate and kill a child, but my tax money pays for an Army that does some other very horrible things to people and most people in this country accept that as a necessary evil.
But you already have your mind clouded against the practical aspects.