Iranian drone plane buzzes U.S. aircraft carrier in Persian Gulf

Originally posted by Census
I get a real kick out of you armchair generals saying how easy Iran would be, more targets to hit, invade this, take out that...bla bla bla....Incase you just landed on Earth, your loosing in Iraq, its a goddam mess and there is no way an occupation of Iran would work. A war with Iran will result in the death of many many Americans here and abroad...But your cool with that right? just as long as we bomb them. Sure, drop bombs, kill a few hundred thousand innocents and then never get a wink of sleep again and your pals in Isreal....doomed....But you like the bloodshed, right?

Why do people like you assume the US will invade Iran. They wouldn't bother doing that at all, why would they ant to be responsible for looking after 50 million people ?
All tehy would hvae to do is bomb the crap out of tehm from teh air and maybe take some coastal cities to ensure the oil supply. They culdn't careless about the rest of Iran.
Like other people have said, they just wnat cntainemnt and destroying their military would be an academic exercise for the US.

The Uranians know this hence, why they make things up. The US knows nothing happened, so do th Iranians, it's just a bit of propaganda for them.

Do you really believe, deep down inside that bombing the crap out of Iran is a good idea?

Incase you didn't know China has tremendous energy interests in Iran as well as Russia. Billions invested. Thats THEIR chit and Im not so sure they're going to appericiate it being leveled by the mad-cow-boy.

Not only that but this will spawn terrorist retaliations everywhere. Everything will come unglued but if thats a good thing and thats what you believe, then sign the dotted line, put on the green and DO something about it.

No disrespect but civilains calling for the destruction and plundering of nations aren't worth their salt if their not willing to put their OWN arse on the line for the agenda.

Originally posted by scarecrow19d
Of course if this did happen, then why aren't the Iranians touting it?

Because if you read the Law of the Sea, if it was a military UAV Iran broke the law. The laws governing choke points apply to military planes as well as combat vessels.

From who did Iran obtain UAV technology?

Originally posted by JIMC5499The Phalanx system cannot track a target that is moving slower than 120 knots. When I stated that the Phalanx could engage these targets I ment with the visual tracking system. Even then the target has to be with in one mile.

You would be incorrect. The Block 1B Phalanx upgrade allows engagement of small, high-speed, maneuvering surface craft and low, slow-moving aircraft, and hovering helicopters.

Testing of Block 1B was conducted aboard USS Underwood and was completed in August 1999. According to Phalanx Program Office plans, Block 1B will be installed in 11 other FFG-7 CORT ships between June 2000 and July 2002.

The Navy is currently operating Baseline 2C, so you can bet the previous capability exists in the current Phalanx system.

Originally posted by masterp
From who did Iran obtain UAV technology?

Probably the US and UK, both countries have been sending UAVs into Iran for years, and several have crashed or been shot down.

Although honestly, the technology is all over, they could have just as easily got it from China, Russia, or North Korea.

DARPA had a UAV challange last year (I think, could have been 2004) where the winning UAV was built on a RC model plane purchased from Radio Shack that was modified for longer range. In fact, the interesting thing about that contest was that all of the parts from the runner up, including the use of a modified NEXTEL cell phone audio and video transmitter, was purchased from Radio Shack.

That's why Commercial Off the Shelf (COTS) is a buzz word in military circles these days.

Originally posted by Census
Do you really believe, deep down inside that bombing the crap out of Iran is a good idea?

Incase you didn't know China has tremendous energy interests in Iran as well as Russia. Billions invested. Thats THEIR chit and Im not so sure they're going to appericiate it being leveled by the mad-cow-boy.

Billions pfft, China has hundreds of billions invested with the US.
China has for more interests with the US than Iran. Only completely misinformed people think that CHina would go to war with the US over Iran, complete bunk. How do I know - because I live in China.

Not only that but this will spawn terrorist retaliations everywhere. Everything will come unglued but if thats a good thing and thats what you believe, then sign the dotted line, put on the green and DO something about it.

Oh yeah care to name all these terrorist nations ?

No disrespect but civilains calling for the destruction and plundering of nations aren't worth their salt if their not willing to put their OWN arse on the line for the agenda.

Oh you mean like Iran ?

Originally posted by Census
Do you really believe, deep down inside that bombing the crap out of Iran is a good idea?


No disrespect but civilains calling for the destruction and plundering of nations aren't worth their salt if their not willing to put their OWN arse on the line for the agenda.

First I never implied that it would be a good idea. As far as I am concerned Iran can go fly a kite. I just can't understand why Iran is so hell bent on provoking a confrontation with the US. My statement is that "if Iran was stupid enough to attack a US carrier and damage it" then Iran would be attacked. Let's face it if Iran was to hit a carrier they no matter who was in the White House the US would strike Iran. Public opinion would demand it.

Second. I spent 5 years in the US Navy from 1982 through 1987. I flew as an Aircrewman on medevacs when the Marine barracks in Lebanon was destroyed and several times the helicopter I was in came under fire. I also was on a SAR aircraft for the raid on Libya in April of 86.

Originally posted by darksided
You would be incorrect. The Block 1B Phalanx upgrade allows engagement of small, high-speed, maneuvering surface craft and low, slow-moving aircraft, and hovering helicopters.

Testing of Block 1B was conducted aboard USS Underwood and was completed in August 1999. According to Phalanx Program Office plans, Block 1B will be installed in 11 other FFG-7 CORT ships between June 2000 and July 2002.

The Navy is currently operating Baseline 2C, so you can bet the previous capability exists in the current Phalanx system.

What is the effective range of the Phalanx? I figure it is about 2500 yards. I am not disrespecting the Phalanx, what I am saying is that it is the only system that could engage these targets. Anybody know the range of a 2.75 inch Hydra rocket?

Originally posted by skippytjc
Think about this people:

The USA has the ability to monitor 100% of all air traffic in the USA 24/7, there is not one plane in the sky that is not tracked and noted, ever.

You are completly wrong about this. I wonder how you formed this idea? See link below.

Uncontrolled airspace

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Originally posted by JIMC5499
If I was going to attack a carrier I would do it when the ship was in confined waters (Straights of Hormuz) with rocket firing helicopters. I'd use a patrol aircraft to feed info on the location of the escorts and I would approach the ship at 75 ft altitude and at about 60 knots airspeed. It would take a visual sighting to detect me and by that time it would be too late.

Are you trying to say that the only defense a carrier group has against targets moving at 60 knots is human eyes?

For those who think it is easy to disable a carrier, I refer you to the USS Forestal and an event that happened during the Vietnam War.
It had a massive fire and there were bombs that were on aircraft exploding on the flight deck. 1,000 pound bombs. Yet the ship did not sink. It was out of action for a time, but was able to sail away under its own power.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
What is the effective range of the Phalanx?

I think you misread my post. The SEARAM system is the phalanx tracking system minus the gun plus the RAM missile system. It can engage targets upto 11 miles out.

From our friends at Raytheon:

The SeaRAM Anti-Ship Missile Defense System is a spiral development of key attributes of both Phalanx CIWS and the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) Guided Weapon System. SeaRAM is designed to extend the inner layer battle space and enable the ship to effectively engage multiple high-performance, supersonic, and subsonic threats.

An 11-missile RAM launcher assembly replaces Phalanx's 20 mm gun. SeaRAM combines RAM's superior accuracy, extended range, and high maneuverability with the Phalanx Block 1B's high resolution search-and-track sensor systems and reliable quick-response capability.

www.raytheon.com...

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Originally posted by scarecrow19d
It was out of action for a time, but was able to sail away under its own power.

Ever hear of the term "mission kill"?

If you guys think the U.S. is the only nation to deploy UAV's your a product of great media marketing. Russia was working with China back in 92'- 93' on this crap go back to BBC and check the files. Iran is not some rag tag third world country these days. I'm not saying they could take a military battle with the U.S. so don't all you vets go and blow a gasket. It is what it is. For the last 10 years Washington was setting motion reasons to set up camp in the middle east with raw resources in mind. All the while SORTA turning a blind eye to Russia and China and some of the small middle eastern coutries who have been paying the piper and now have knocked the pipers teeth out and have the pipe blowing fool playing for free.
Truth is USSR has never been out they have been retooling, America 10 years ago had all the military marbles but today Russia and China have a great big sack of steel barons and are ithching to have it's turn at knocking the U.S. right out of the ring. While were off policing every screw ball nation around the globe the Russia militarys and China military have been taking notes and doing there own studies of sorts.
As much as we all would like to believe the U.S. could never fall...But EVERY EMPIRE has thought that? And we all know what history has told us what comes around goes around and the historical time line for the United States being a ruling empire is coming to a close end. You don't need a news out let to check this go grab a history book blow the dust off and open it up and read. All the proof you need is in the time lines.

if the US can UAV UAP why is it not plausible that iran has them.
USS was to slow to react, they stated that they knew it was pilotless, yet couldn't react in time, showing that US were scared to enter iranian airspace

Golden Buddu.....the idea is not to start a war.......you don't voilate Iranian airspace over a non-threat that's reckless and the way wars get started.....if this even happened....


I'm still waiting on the pictures............

Originally posted by GoldenBuddha
showing that US were scared to enter iranian airspace

Scared? NFW. I'm trying to respond here but I can't stop laughing. Let's see here. Everybody and their grandmother is whining that the US is trying to start a war with Iran. If the Iranians fired up their Futaba and flew their drone over a US carrier then everybody thinks that Iran is hot poo, pats them on the back and has a party. Now if the US flew into Iranian airspace and blasted that RPV into kindling, you would have an international out cry that the US was provoking poor Iran. Kind of a one sided point of view here. If the US was the war mongering, bent on global domination country some people would like you to believe, then why doesn't Iran have a smoking hole where their RPV base used to be? Don't tell me that the US is afraid of the flying club that Iran calls an Air Force. I'm getting sick and tired of my country being the subject of ridicule because they choose to follow international law.

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Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by scarecrow19d
It was out of action for a time, but was able to sail away under its own power.

Ever hear of the term "mission kill"?

very true. Once Iranians ged rid of all US warships in the gulf (mission kill) and take full control of the strait, then it becomes a nightmare. without any oil flow, it could so simply turn into a global crisis.

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by proprog
very true. Once Iranians ged rid of all US warships in the gulf (mission kill) and take full control of the strait, then it becomes a nightmare. without any oil flow, it could so simply turn into a global crisis.

Any thoughts?

Sure. Once Iran strikes one US ship, the gloves come off and then it is Iran that goes away. I'm not too concerned about it happening though. Iran is just spouting rhetoric and playing to the news media to make a hassle for the US. They know that there is a line that they can't cross and they are just standing on the other side of it talking trash. I'm just hoping that they don't stumble and accidently cross that line.