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Originally posted by smokenmirrors
there appears to be an anomaly here, whereby an individual can assert with confidence the existance of satan, yet deny the existance of God.
Amazing....
faith in one, yet not the other, hmmmmm, what a hypocritical stance.
It is the individuals that make up the church who are actually the church.
Originally posted by DodgeG1
I was given a bible for beginers the other day by a friend of mine who is a Jehovah's Witness.
I read through the book and found it very interesting. The most interesting thing in the book tho was that they claim that Satan is the true ruler of the world and has been in charge since 1914???
Anyone care to eleborate on this? as I find this interesting that people who worship God are saying that Satan is in charge of the world we live in?
Originally posted by zerotolerance
Jehovah's Witness, huh? Oh boy!
Keep in mind they've only been a religion since the late 1800's.
They believe Jesus was not crucified, but hung from a stake....
Jehovah's Witnesses deny most of the basic doctrines of Christianity.
They claim:
1. Jesus Christ is not God. Rather, he is Michael the archangel.
2. The Holy Spirit is not a person, but an "active force." J.W.'s are unitarians, denying the Trinity.
3. When you're dead, you're dead. Man has no eternal soul, any more than animals.
4. Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. There is no "visible coming" planned in the future.
5. There is no hell. Just like animals, when we die, it is over.
6. Only 144,000 people achieve heaven. The rest, faithful Witnesses who have died, will be recreated on earth during the kingdom of the "New World."
Originally posted by Earthscum
I didn't start this thread to argue the existence or nonexistence of 'god' or 'satan' (btw, the Greek personage was Lucifer, the morning star, since that wasn't mentioned).
Originally posted by Earthscum
I am Agnostic.
Originally posted by Earthscum
I sat around one night thinking about the "Crusades" and how they never really ended, just changed faces. All of a sudden it hit me... if I was the devil, and I wanted to decieve the world, what would be the best way? The answer to that question became pretty obvious to me... the ULTIMATE DECEIT! If I was Satan trying to influence the rest of the world, I would simply start with a few, convince them that I am God, or a holy man working in the name of god, and get the people to follow my lead in the 'name of god'. As soon as you have enough righteous few, they will readily convince friends, and then I would have an army.
Originally posted by Earthscum
I would also take what is already in scripture, put what I want into a "compilation", and call it "god's law". What's better than taking something nobody is arguing with and just twisting it around to suit my own needs?
Originally posted by Earthscum
So, what I am suggesting here, is that christianity is based upon the lies of the devil.
Originally posted by Earthscum
And the big question... What's YOUR thoughts?
Originally posted by UnholyP
I cannot stress you enough to remeber that the Bible DOES NOT equal christianity. There is a countless number of "false" Bible translations and movements out there, which have been changed to suit the need of organizations.
Also remember that the salvation and truth is about individuals, not organizations..... Average christian organization just takes the best parts of the bible that suits their needs, and forgets the rest.
Learn about the real Bible, the truth is in there. I was overly sceptic before, but now I have started to see the big picture. If you're interested, get either the original King James's Bible or the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, these are the only versions that have not been altered or cencored.
Originally posted by Earthscum
Anti-christian does not mean I'm satanic or anything... just means that I am anti-christian.
Originally posted by DodgeG1
I was given a bible for beginers the other day by a friend of mine who is a Jehovah's Witness.
I read through the book and found it very interesting. The most interesting thing in the book tho was that they claim that Satan is the true ruler of the world and has been in charge since 1914???
Originally posted by DodgeG1
Anyone care to eleborate on this? as I find this interesting that people who worship God are saying that Satan is in charge of the world we live in?
Originally posted by saint4God
This "beginners bible" is not a Bible at all if it states that, rather something was added to it. Here's a quote from Revelation, the last book in the Bible (Jesus speaking here), "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." - Revelation 23:18 . Please be careful.
Originally posted by shihulud
Those words only apply to the book of revelations and not to the bible as a whole.
G
Originally posted by saint4God
Indeed, as Revelation is the last prophetic book of things yet to occur.
[edit on 5-6-2006 by saint4God]
Originally posted by DodgeG1
I was given a bible for beginers the other day by a friend of mine who is a Jehovah's Witness.
I read through the book and found it very interesting. The most interesting thing in the book tho was that they claim that Satan is the true ruler of the world and has been in charge since 1914???
Anyone care to eleborate on this? as I find this interesting that people who worship God are saying that Satan is in charge of the world we live in?
Originally posted by Shane
Not that I am Arguing, but my impressions was that Jehovah Wittnesses believe, much akin to what our Muslim Brothers believe, in respects to Christ.
He was a Prophet of God. Not Michael
And I always did wonder what the 144001 Member was thinking?
And for reference in some respects, the 144000 come thru the Tribulation, and are representative of the 12 Tribes of Israel, made of of 12000 each from each tribe. This is mentioned in the Book of Revelations
Originally posted by smallpeeps
Our Muslim Brothers?
Originally posted by Shane
Originally posted by smallpeeps
Our Muslim Brothers?
Yeah, you even noted it. Ishmael and Issac. Abraham is the Father of Many nations. Arabs, Jews, Danes, Holland, and I could go on, but we are Brothers, in that we have our common forefather, and share our God.
I know it gets overlooked quite often, and thats too bad.
Shirley Mclean claims to have had a past live, as others have, and present this as some premise of Past Life and Reincarnation and such.
I'll tell Shirley, she hasn't had a past live, but the Demon that is possessing her, and others like her, are suggesting she had a past life. They have been here on this planet possessing familiars since the days of Noah and the Great Flood.
www.nndb.com...
Born into the ruling family of Brittany, Gilles de Rais was the companion of Joan of Arc, Marshal of France and a national hero before he turned 26. In his later years he was accused of torturing, sodomizing, and disemboweling as many as 800 children at his country estate.
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"You who are present -- you, above all, whose children I have slain -- I am your brother in Christ. By Our Lord's Passion, I implore you, pray for me. Forgive me with all your hearts the evil I have done you, as you yourselves hope for God's mercy and pardon." -- Gilles de Rais at his trial