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Why is supporting the President, whomever it is, morally treasonable?
As a matter of fact I didn't vote for Clinton either time he ran but once he won the election I supported him as my President as is right and proper.
You don't like him? Fine. Get someone better to run the next time.
Originally posted by Rock Lobster
It's not in my power to do this.
Originally posted by Rock Lobster
Yes, I'm eligible to vote, but I'm not able to influence who the DNC or RNC chooses to run for president.
Ok scamper, I've never been called servile in my life and since you don't know a thing about I suggest stop the name calling. As far as being unpatriotic once again suggest you stop judging me or anyone else. When Mr. Bush leaves office who pray tell are you going to blame for all the evil in the world? I'm astonished that individuals can't disagree on this thread without resorting to insults and name calling.
Originally posted by Rock Lobster
@ gallopinghordes - "That we are to stand by the President right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt
Then Rock Lobster you start at the local level and work for change. You're right you may not be able to change the candidates for the 2008 election but there will be elections after that. Why not run for a local office yourself and start change that way? Campaign for the person of your choice encourage people to turn out for elections talk to people in a calm and reasonable manner to share your views. If you do those things you may find that people will listen to you and may even agree with you. But, on the other hand if all you are willing to do is rant and call names then you are right you won't be able to influence any one. We do have a great deal of power if we choose to work hard and more importantly work together if enough like minded people work they can do great things. To say you have no power is wrong because you certainly do. I
Originally posted by Rock Lobster
I agree. I don't think it's right to oppose the president at every turn simply out of spite or because of a political agenda. If you feel the president is genuinely hurting the country with his actions, that is the time to speak out in my opinion. There is definitely a line between acting from your true convictions and acting for strictly political motives.
Originally posted by rizla
One thing that I note in this thread is that any support of Bush is quickly followed by an attack on Democrats. So are Bush supporters defined by what they are not? Are many Bush supporters just angry people who need to become partisan and attack something? Do they have a siege mentality? If so, what are they scared of?
[edit on 14-6-2006 by rizla]
Rizla at the riskof being rude I really feel you yourself need to calm down. I didn't notice anyone attacking the Dems for your information I don't believe we Americans are idealistic about our presidents most of us know them to be people who are trying to do a tough job the best way they can and I can respect that whether you can or not. You constant challenge to me as to whether I would support Hitler is absolutley stupid which is quite surprising since you don't appear to be stupid. You are comparing two completly different people so here and now please be statisfied no I think Hitler is most likly roasting in a very special part of hell for his actions. I do not compare Bush to Hitler but you scamper off and have a great time doing so.
Originally posted by rizla
One thing that I note in this thread is that any support of Bush is quickly followed by an attack on Democrats. So are Bush supporters defined by what they are not? Are many Bush supporters just angry people who need to become partisan and attack something? Do they have a seige mentality? If so, what are they scared of?
Another point. This whole 'support my president, right or wrong' is obviously irrational. A friend of mine was explaining to me a while back that Americans are more idealistic about their presidents than the British are about their Primeministers. They afford him/her more respect. I said to him, "How can Americans be idealistic after Nixon?'
Gallopinghordes, I say again, Would you support Hitler if he was your President? I predict you'll continue to avoid ansering that question because it forces you to face up to the failure in your reasoning. And you'll respond with aggresion. Or vanish.
[edit on 14-6-2006 by rizla]
Originally posted by Tazer
and less than a majority of the voting public voted.
Who's fault is that then?
Originally posted by seagull
Rizla . . . You are the one comparing Mr. Bush to Adolph Hitler
Originally posted by gallopinghordes
You constant challenge to me as to whether I would support Hitler is absolutley stupid which is quite surprising since you don't appear to be stupid. You are comparing two completly different people so here and now please be statisfied no I think Hitler is most likly roasting in a very special part of hell for his actions. I do not compare Bush to Hitler but you scamper off and have a great time doing so.