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Planetary Defense

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posted on May, 13 2008 @ 09:05 PM
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Another year goes by, hopefully this time some may be interested in a very potential Research Project. With all the interest the forum generates, I had figured the membership here would have been more eager to participate in a proposal as this.

So, once again, I offer a casting call of sorts to any and all members, who seriously feel they can contribute a prolonged effort of time and study towards a Planetary Defense Research Project.

This thread can be used as a think tank style tool, for ATSers who wish to. Once an established team can be composed, the actual project can be started in the Research Forum.

I'm looking forward to seeing some thing come of this, as with all the interest members show in this forum alone, it should be easy enough.

All interested parties, please just jump in on this thread, consider it as much your drawing board as any ones here.





posted on May, 17 2008 @ 02:24 PM
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To be honest I agree with many here that any defence against an alien attack would be extremely challenging due to the fact that they would probably arrive with little warning and have more advanced technology.

However, and it is a big 'however', they would also probably have extremely extended supply lines and be severely outnumbered. This means that there is every reason to at least atempt to defend ourselves.

The only real way to prepare would be to make sure that all of the world's governments have a coherent, united strategy with regards to this threat. We would probably be at a massive disadvantage all things considered, but if all of the Earth's military forces were operating as independant agents we would stand no chance. We would need to have every nation from the United States to Nepal acting together. There would be no time to sort out plans and chains of command after the initial strike had begun.

This is an area that we could be planning right now, even if we don't know the exact nature of any threat.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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That is why there are "Concept Operations" or ConOps, exercises in developing some attempt. Why resort to pissing yourself and giving up.

Fight or flight is programmed into every species, but only if ititial or first contact is made with man vs enviornment, be it man vs animal or man vs man which is a stranger. Case being, we have a means of determining if our encounter is going to go smoothly or not.

Like dealing with those not morning people, hopfully an offering of coffee or peaceful cohabitation is customary. We all have seen bad days...

So, if an all out invasion was possible I am leaning with it would have happened by now. Sort of like a direct military strike against America or the Soviet Union and even China now. It is not going to happen, because it more than likely would have by now. Or did you all forget what the world wars were atttempting.

Obviously to the public knowledge, or accepted public knowledge, the world is not under off planet invasion.

I see no reason, to discuss weak-kneed toss in the towel reiterations.

I don't get it some times...




posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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That seems to be the norm around here, people more willing to indulge their fantasies than actually concern them selves with the relevent world.

I should have known better presenting this to a forum with a bunch of confused kids.

Going to mark this off my list of useful discussion sources...



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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If I might suggest, Advisor - let's not throw in the towel too hastily. Perhaps it is merely a matter of venue aversion.

With due diligence and earned respect, then, let us continue...

One idea may be to collate the submissions on this topic within this thread or another repository.

For example, I've made some comment upon and have exchanged decent information with others regarding periphery subjects that contained substantial material relevant to planetary defense.

One enigma: What is the dynamic between the "official" posture of planetary defense as distributed by the MSM or made available via e.g. FOIA and it's true complement in the Black world? Is there documentation or evidence that could substantiate that the world governments "have a plan"? You know - just in case...

All I hear and read is that there is no investigation or study being done in this area "because UFOs don't exist" - so we have nothing to defend against.

I don't think so. We're then either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid. Out of the billions spent annually for DOD and all sorts of sundry ether-projects, you mean to tell me we don;t set aside ANYTHING to even consider that some critters may emerge from behind the moon one day in their giant ships and mutter, "all your bases (and women, and water, and food, etc.) are belong to us!"

So then, we, the bright humans on this miserable world then ...what? Do nothing!?! Because we have no plan??!? All those braniacs at all those mighty quasi-industrial/military/government will simply shrug their collective shoulders at humanity and say, "...oops?"

How reassuring...

Nah. Somebody somewhere on our Earth MUST be considering the possibility. Who are they? Where are they? What do they know? What do they think? What I would give to be a fly on the wall in that conference room...

Carry on...



[edit on 12/15/2009 by Outrageo]



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
To be honest I agree with many here that any defence against an alien attack would be extremely challenging due to the fact that they would probably arrive with little warning and have more advanced technology.

However, and it is a big 'however', they would also probably have extremely extended supply lines and be severely outnumbered. This means that there is every reason to at least atempt to defend ourselves.

The only real way to prepare would be to make sure that all of the world's governments have a coherent, united strategy with regards to this threat. We would probably be at a massive disadvantage all things considered, but if all of the Earth's military forces were operating as independant agents we would stand no chance. We would need to have every nation from the United States to Nepal acting together. There would be no time to sort out plans and chains of command after the initial strike had begun.

This is an area that we could be planning right now, even if we don't know the exact nature of any threat.


The hypothetical scenario of an alien invasion is fascinating, terrifying and humbling. You make an interesting point about the need for all the free nations of the world to unite and resist an extra-terrestrial incursion with a co-ordinated military strategy. I would think immediately that the United Nations would be key in uniting the world against an extra-terrestrial threat. Immediately the U.N would need to pass an emergency resolution which would make the U.N the sole and supreme authority in resisting the alien threat. National sovereignty would be dissolved and I imagine the nations of the world would be formed into resistance blocs. Perhaps each security council member would be responsible for certain sections of the world. All current political flashpoints would need to be deferred indefinitely. All these petty squabbles would be minor headaches compared to the prospect of an alien invasion. The level of co-operation among countries would be unprecedented and all nations would be required to surrender their natural resources and infrastructure to the allied cause. Reservists would be called up to serve, stockpiles of fuel, ammunition, food and other materials vital for survival would be assigned. Perhaps loan agreements would be put in place, such a feat could not be done in a short period of time. The poorer countries would require assistance and I imagine the more prosperous countries would oblige. An agreement such as the "lend-lease" programme would be put in place. It's saddening to think that such an event would need to happen in order to galvanise humanity to unite and stop its tribal warring.



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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I don't think even worldwide alien invasion would be able to unite Earth's population. I mean, we have not united to defeat things that already attack us all....like cancer, aids, etc. Last time I checked disease doesn't really care what invisible man you believe in or which government you support.

I would imagine that a alien invasion would be either huge and fast, or X-files style slow and devious. I prefer the huge and fast version myself. If that is the case, I would think they would come with overwhelming force rather quickly, knock out our ability to communicate, and possibly even travel by hitting major countries with massive EMP bursts. You can imagine most 1st world countries are pretty much useless when the power goes out, lol, so nothing to worry about for the aliens after they hit us hard and fast there. The human military response from such countries would be hasty and uncoordinated. I think any large exchange of missiles, etc, would be very brief.

For some third world countries that approach might not work as well, however unless they are geographically targeted for their natural resources, those 3rd world countries would be low priority and possibly skipped over completely for the first few waves of invasion.

Given a large scale surprise attack the best thing to do is survive the initial battle and maybe fight gorilla style if the battlefield conditions allow it.



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 05:13 AM
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Defending our planet against an alien race? I think there is nothing we can do even if we are united. The major powers of our planet wont be advanced enough. We have no defense against motherships, assuming they can launch an attack from space. Technology is really what we need to defend ourselves. I mean alien tech. I believe we already have been in contact with another alien race, if thats true, then they would help us.



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 05:53 AM
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Here is a good question. Could we defend against an attack from an alien race that has the same technology we have today, with the only addition of space travel technology, which we dont have, which would probably give them an edge in air combat?

I mean, imagine that alien race coming here to destroy us using the same weapons we already have. The come with thousands of spaceships filled with thousands of nukes.

They have the advantage of the first strike, which means that they could start with a global EMP attack, taking us back to the stone age, aside from nuking all the big cities and military bases.

They have the advantage that we can't strike their planet back, only their fleet, so surrendering would only be an option for us.

So, when we strike back and war begins we are already in a huge disadvantage. True, we are in bigger numbers and to really CONQUER a territory you have to send your troops. So, after all the destruction they would have to come down and fight us.

In conclusion, if we were attacked by an alien race with OUR technology(+ space travel), we would already suffer and having a great chance of losing. Imagine if they had much more advanced weaponry...

I guess we will only be safe against that scenario the day we have weapons in space. Right now, while we're still here bickering with each other inside our little planet, we're helpless... or at least in GREAT disadvantage.

[edit on 17-12-2009 by henriquefd]



posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Defending our planet against an alien race? I think there is nothing we can do even if we are united.


Although Henrique poses an interesting inversion, I personally doubt that aliens that have sufficient technology for interstellar navigation and travel would be stuck with the limited technology we lowly humans currently possess. Which means they'll have plenty of other cool "tools" as well.

Far more likely is Jed's scenario - such that if hostiles showed up with malicious intent that there would be little we could do to prevent them from carrying out any plan they care to envision.

It would just be a matter of how fast they want what they're after and how long we can hold out before they get it.

Of course, there's plenty of fairy tales about benevolent beings just hanging around our glorious jewel of a planet waiting to protect us from any "intrusions". Meh. Don't make me puke.

All we can hope for is that the good guys show up before the bad ones. I mean if there really is any so-called 'Prime Directive' to pray for when the time comes.

Since we don't know for sure, the ONLY prudent approach toward guaranteeing humanity's survival is to be prepared for the potential that we may not. Actually:

We'd deserve to be snuffed out if after a few thousand years of populating (and polluting) our planet, we took no precautions whatsoever, and just had our fat carcasses plucked off our couches from in front of our widescreens, from the prisons, the fields, churches, the malls. Let's get serious. What are we going to do - shoot at them with pistols and rifles?

Instead let us consider that maybe, just maybe:

The first to arrive,
will indeed carry a tome,
as first seen on the screen,
so long ago.

As you may recall,
we are all damned.
The book was entitled,
"To Serve Man"...

[Note to add: In fact, I have a theory regarding the probability that space-faring carnivores are as likely, if not more so, than the demure doe-eyed ET variety we've been spoon-fed since childhood. The numbers are alarming.
Some other time.]


[edit on 12/17/2009 by Outrageo]



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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Resurrecting the this from the buried masses of dead threads within ATS

Was recently referred to to a thread, bumped for posterity.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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Bumped due to reference in a related thread.

Looking forward to scenario concepts.
edit on 23-7-2012 by ADVISOR because: (no reason given)



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