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Don't believe in Aliens? This WILL change your mind.

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posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:44 PM
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I spent a few minutes skimming all of the posts on this thread,and what grabbed my attention was Ethereal's claim of Missing Time.
It sounds very much like a fugue state to me.
As in dreams,when our conscious mind is deep in sleep,should a car backfire our subconscious will weave a dream to explain it.

Not being mean,I don't profess to know anything of what is Out There...

But I do believe that religion was created by man to keep control over the masses.

It's a lifeline for some,and in a good many instances provides the comfort and stability that they need...but sooner or later the whole intent and purpose gets out of hand and the ostracism and barbarity toward non-believers begins.

I don't believe in demons,if there are some,I invite them to try for this "unprotected" soul! (I'll get back to you all if I get any takers)To me it all smacks of "Be good or Santa won't come" ...however....
I do not believe that the soul does not continue.Energy cannot be destroyed.We are all energy,therefore,we must go on.Imprints of this life are stored as in a photograph;the mind is a computer of sorts.Mankind seems to need rules and guidelines,craves order and meaning,and is quite happy to be led,manipulated and controlled..(until it stifles his other urges.Then he lashes out,against his parents,his bosses...you get the idea).It's why religion has flourished,and the thought of alien Master Creator Race has appeal.
There is an American Indian legend which tells us that human beings were left here eons ago by an alien race..to be used as food.A kind of mid-galactic "snack"..
Jesus Christ was just a man with a mission drilled into him since birth by his mother(and don't we all know a few guys controlled by Mama?).He was a prophet and a teacher and learner too,but his crucifixion I'm afraid he never saw that coming.
He did not intentionally "die for our sins";sounds good and noble and all,but,nope.
So how could he have been an alien construct? I think he would have suspected what was coming,at least.
I think you have to stop eating your buttons.




posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:45 PM
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ok then what about the people that become missing when taken by aliens. What about nightmare hall in dulce base and all the stuff that heppens there surely aliens are doing some things they would not like anyone to know!



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:47 PM
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My question is: If you don't believe what this guy is saying, why is there 13 pages of posts? Also: If you want to know the truth about things, and someone claims to have it, why treat him like a liar. For all you know every word he says is true, and really...isn't that what you want to believe?


I have often thought this, as the more you get involved in ATS the more skeptical you get i think, i was a massive believer in all sorts, but have narrowed my view on certain things since seeing what trash some people will post on all sorts of web sites.

But lately on ATS someone, or someone and Co. has been chucking a lot of bad attempts at starting threads that are false.
But its all about sorting the wheat from the chaff, dissecting what they say to see if things add up.
But to tell the truth from the false without any evidence is hard to do, especially on ATS.

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posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by OuterSpaceMaster
This is my first post on this site. I have visited here for about a year now, and like to read the different posts, true or not.

With regards to this topic, I cannot believe what I am reading.

All of you come here to the site looking for something to show you that your paranoid thoughts have a leg to stand on.

When someone comes around claiming to support your theories and thoughts, you ask for evidence.

When a photo is provided, you say its fake.
When a person tells you things about their experience, you tell them they are sci-fi writers.

Its unfortunate that people come here and lie, because it leads others to not believe anything anyone says.

My question is: If you don't believe what this guy is saying, why is there 13 pages of posts? Also: If you want to know the truth about things, and someone claims to have it, why treat him like a liar. For all you know every word he says is true, and really...isn't that what you want to believe?

AMEN



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by EtherealForce
As far as hard evidence goes, this may be the best yet: en.wikipedia.org...


Once again, you use human sources to claim "proof" of what you have experienced. I asked this question before, with no response from you. Soooooo, I will ask it again!

Why can you not take your digital,35mm,disposable camera on the next voyage and simply ask if you can snap a photo? Who knows, they may allow you to do that as you are acting as their spokesperson to ATS. It would lend credibility to your claims.

L. Ron Hubbard was a bit of an eccentric, so I wouldn't count on his warped imagination to declare you have proven anything.



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:54 PM
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The Wiki / Scientology link only makes this 'proof" LESS beleivable.

This wiki page was just edited June 1st.
See Editing History on Wiki. - See Cur and last for changes made and IP users who did the editing. Not saying it was you who contributed and edited, but just more or less showing that anyone can edit Wiki pages and put whatever they want on there. Therefore it doesn't prove a thing !



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:55 PM
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The title of your thread misleads your intentions, as if you have something substantial to provide for us that will make a profound difference in how we perceive E.T., am I wrong?



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by MrPenny
Using anything related to Scientology as a source or verification is the death blow to your story. L. Ron Hubbard made it clear he felt the way to riches was by inventing a religion.

True Hubbard was a liar and hoaxer... HOWEVER< SOME of the information pretaining to the galactic confederacy is true, and I believe it is only true because he had OOBES induced by drugs and spoke to some ets.

I Entirely believe scientology is full of it, but that does not mean certain elements pretaining to the confederation is not true. Like Teeagak was earths name. Xenu however, did not exist. Nore did the volcanoe story.

[edit on 1-6-2006 by EtherealForce]

[edit on 1-6-2006 by EtherealForce]



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Masisoar
The title of your thread misleads your intentions, as if you have something substantial to provide for us that will make a profound difference in how we perceive E.T., am I wrong?


I think you hit the nail on the head there.
Hopefully enough for a MOD to at least comment.



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mouth

That being said, if some alien race had the means to hop from planet to planet, why trek all the way over here? We are sooooo farrrrr away, and on top of that, we are on the only rock within many lightyears that can actually sustain life (as we know it).

So.... what I think I meant to say was, there is no evidence to show that aliens are watching us, or in communication with us.


Ahhh, ok then i understand.

You are viewing this situation from the POV of a human. We see no benefit of something with a greater intelligence watching us, but we might have something that they are not aware of, we might be guinea pigs for testing or they could be peaceful and waiting for us to be ready to join the 'Intergalactic community'...we don't know.
Then again, we could genuinely be the only planet in all of existence to hold any form of life...we really have to wait and see.
Though i agree with you on the not obsessing front.


Originally posted by EtherealForce

As far as hard evidence goes, this may be the best yet: en.wikipedia.org...


If you could have said one thing to thoroughly prove yourself a Hoax, this would be it...thank You


Originally posted by OuterSpaceMaster
My question is: If you don't believe what this guy is saying, why is there 13 pages of posts? Also: If you want to know the truth about things, and someone claims to have it, why treat him like a liar. For all you know every word he says is true, and really...isn't that what you want to believe?

13 pages of discussion. Are we to accept his word as true when he brings no proof at all to support his claims. We gave him plenty of chance and opportunity to give us something yet he has ignored those requests. I call Shenanigans on this thread, this poster and even you



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:02 PM
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I can't see why I'm trying to help you Ethereal Force but here:

Prove something that we can find out as people.

Something underground that people have forgotten about that we can uncover?
The location of Atlantis?
The location(not a generalized area) of cave systems that we haven't been in before that contain paintings/evidence of past cultures?
Uses for some plants we currently haven't discovered yet?
A cure for cancer? Methods (generalized) to lead to the cure for cancer?
Ways we can see E.T. on the moon with a telescope?
Ways we can ask for contact?
Give us insight on products we use in everyday life that are harmful to us in ways even the manufacterer haven't even discovered or pondered?


Give us something.



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Masisoar
I can't see why I'm trying to help you Ethereal Force but here:

Prove something that we can find out as people.

Something underground that people have forgotten about that we can uncover?
The location of Atlantis?
The location(not a generalized area) of cave systems that we haven't been in before that contain paintings/evidence of past cultures?
Uses for some plants we currently haven't discovered yet?
A cure for cancer? Methods (generalized) to lead to the cure for cancer?
Ways we can see E.T. on the moon with a telescope?
Ways we can ask for contact?
Give us insight on products we use in everyday life that are harmful to us in ways even the manufacterer haven't even discovered or pondered?


Give us something.

ETs have not told me evrything that pretains to these points. The Ark of the Covenant is in fact in Etheopia.

Atlantis was located on Majuan Bank near the Strait of Gibraltar. It was destroyd by a fusion reaction.



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:22 PM
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I went right back to the beginning of your thread and thought id pick up on what you said at the start.



My family put an ad in the local paper requesting help for people who were experienced in this kind of thing to help me out.


Post up the Ad, it would help your case.




and I have already promised myself that I will attempt to take some pictures.


Well do that, you promised.





The rights I have been given are simply knowledge to the universe (I.E. some very interesting facts)...






There is actually a lot of data I have.


Paste hit all here.



I will, however, do my best to obtain pictures or physical evidence as soon as possible.


Yeah, you keep saying that, please do!



They do not want to reveal themselves as it will ruin their study.


Then why are you revealing all this?

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posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by EtherealForce

ETs have not told me evrything that pretains to these points. The Ark of the Covenant is in fact in Etheopia.

Atlantis was located on Majuan Bank near the Strait of Gibraltar. It was destroyd by a fusion reaction.


--Where in Etheopia?

--How did they achieve a fusion reaction and how on Earth did it destroy Atlantis?

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posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:28 PM
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I think you have some explaining to do.



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Masisoar

Originally posted by EtherealForce

ETs have not told me evrything that pretains to these points. The Ark of the Covenant is in fact in Etheopia.

Atlantis was located on Majuan Bank near the Strait of Gibraltar. It was destroyd by a fusion reaction.


--Where in Etheopia?

--How did they achieve a fusion reaction and how on Earth did it destroy Atlantis?

[edit on 6/1/2006 by Masisoar]


In Ethiopa there is a town called Axum. I say unto you, there the ark can be found in a chapel. It was brought there by a priest from Solomons temple about 400 BC. The public is permitted to get only so close. A fence seperates the public from the chapel, and a viel is visible over the Ark. Only one person, the guard, is permitted to see it.

The Atlantians (the name for it was then Cerulia) were able to do this through progression of technology, much of it provided by ET's as it is now. The Atlantians grew foolish however, and attempted to take sevral ETs hostage and rape another, thus the ET's allowed them to nuke themselves.

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[edit on 1-6-2006 by EtherealForce]



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:46 PM
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How come the mods havn't commented on this thread yet? 14 pages and no Mod comments , not one.



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 03:54 PM
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EtherealForce....

Bare with me, might sound foolish, but this is the best visual I can give of the question.

Are there any universes out there similiar to what appears in, say Star Wars..What I mean is, interplanetary spaceports and trade? Planet to planet commerce and politics?

Then, on to the stuff that might be more sci-fi...like a variation of The Force, smugglers, gangsters, dog fights in space, etc?



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by OuterSpaceMaster
EtherealForce....

Bare with me, might sound foolish, but this is the best visual I can give of the question.

Are there any universes out there similiar to what appears in, say Star Wars..What I mean is, interplanetary spaceports and trade? Planet to planet commerce and politics?

Then, on to the stuff that might be more sci-fi...like a variation of The Force, smugglers, gangsters, dog fights in space, etc?


yes absolutely, in quantum theory there is a reality (or universe) for every possible outcome. So there are universes with laws of physics different then ours, some of which permit things such as "The Force". Thus there is a universe where star wars exists, there is a universe where you, OuterSpaceMaster, marry Padme and become Darth Vader. There is also a universe for LOTR, a universe where Frodo is a frog trying to destroy the one toilet... you get the idea.



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 04:09 PM
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Its tough to tell whether you are making fun of me or not...
I meant can people control things with their mind, in our universe, is that # possible...

Also, how does humans inability to use their entire brain effect what we can and can not see and do...If we used 100% of our brains would we be able to do some of hte things the e.t.'s do?

What about dinosaurs? Did the aliens have anything to do with them when they were alive or their extinction?




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