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Hunt the Boeing II - Shanksville edition

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posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 11:26 PM
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Depending on the crash the NTSB will wear anything from jeans and NTSB jackets, to full body protection, with masks.

Examples of both:







posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 11:50 PM
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Thank you, that's exactly what I was searching for. My books are still packed due to a recent house move and I couldn't find my Accident Investigation book. I knew their jackets had NTSB on them but I couldn't recall what colour the jackets were.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by Aotearoa
A Go Team practice? Practice what? They're doing accident investigation all the time, not just aviation.


I don't know, but sure seems awfully coincidental they were preparing for a terror attack 2 months before in the next county!


COUNTY OF WESTMORELAND, PENNSYLVANIA; COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT, For the Year Ended December 31, 2001

On June 16, 2001 the Department of Public Safety and the County Local Emergency Planning Committee conducted the largest full-scale emergency exercise ever conducted in the County. The exercise, called Mall Strike 2001, occurred at Greengate Mall and involved over 600 emergency first responders and emergency managers who responded to a weapons of mass destruction event involving the simulated release of a toxic chemical agent and the simulated release of radiation and radiological contamination. The exercise was a major training success.
The department dedicated its new Public Safety and 9-1-1 Center, located at 911 Public Safety Road in Hempfield Township, on September 11, 2001. This long awaited day was marred, however, by the terrorist attacks on the United States that also occurred on that date. In response to those attacks, the first official action at the new Center involved several days of 24 hour operations in the new County Emergency Operations Center.
The 9-1-1 Center was the only Center that had direct cell-phone communications with a passenger on United Flight 93. United Flight 93 was the aircraft that crashed in Somerset County.

www.co.westmoreland.pa.us...



In the wake of Sept. 11, just how safe are we?

...officials with Westmoreland and Fayette counties and local municipalities say security hasn't been increased. Rather, security plans were in place before Sept. 11 and communications channels exist between Fayette, Westmoreland and its neighboring counties in preparation for a terrorist attack.

Daniel Stevens, public information officer for Westmoreland County's Department of Public Safety, said the department has held trainings for fire departments and municipal officials when these are requested. The department, just 2 1/2 months before the terrorist attacks, held a training drill simulating a terrorist attack. "When the terrorists struck the World Trade Center, Flight 93 was above Westmoreland County and actually wound up in Shanksville," stated Stevens.

pitts burghlive



U.S. Department of Homeland Security FEMA Preparedness Smart Practices Spotlight

They have organized major training exercises such as "Mall Strike 2001," a simulated nerve agent and radiological incident; a simulated gas attack exercise in the Pittsburgh subway system; and a full-scale exercise testing the ability of 27 hospitals in three of the 13 counties to decontaminate victims of a chemical attack.
When United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in rural Somerset County on Sept.11, 2001, the chair of the working group was immediately in touch with other members of the group and emergency teams were deployed swiftly to the site. The group's four years of working together and preparing for terrorist events allowed them to develop and train teams that could work efficiently together during an event of this magnitude.

www.fema.gov...



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 02:37 AM
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Can you point out to me where exactly that says NTSB? The NTSB are only called in when something goes catastrophically wrong, not for an exercise.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Aotearoa
Can you point out to me where exactly that says NTSB? The NTSB are only called in when something goes catastrophically wrong, not for an exercise.

I never said they were part of the exercise. Just thought it was awfully coincidental that some of the rescue team there had practiced for a terror drill a couple months earlier practically next door!

[edit on 5-6-2006 by diggs]



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 04:03 AM
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Thank you, you've just provided the perfect example of how to take a quote out of context in order to add your own spin to it.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by diggs
I never said they were part of the exercise. Just thought it was awfully coincidental that some of the rescue team there had practiced for a terror drill a couple months earlier practically next door!

[edit on 5-6-2006 by diggs]


It was even more coincidental that Doolittle's raid was on at the same time as raid drill in Tokio. Must've been conspiracy.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Aotearoa
Thank you, you've just provided the perfect example of how to take a quote out of context in order to add your own spin to it.


Where did I take a quote out of context?

If it's about the "go-team", part of the recovery crew there WERE part of that exercise.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by tuccy

Originally posted by diggs
I never said they were part of the exercise. Just thought it was awfully coincidental that some of the rescue team there had practiced for a terror drill a couple months earlier practically next door!

[edit on 5-6-2006 by diggs]


It was even more coincidental that Doolittle's raid was on at the same time as raid drill in Tokio. Must've been conspiracy.


When so many coincidences surrounding 9/11, yes, it must of been a conspiracy:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark

Oh Howard? You got some 'splaining to do! Your answers left a lot of holes in the official story!

See: Post Number: 2216707
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by diggs
Where did I take a quote out of context?

If it's about the "go-team", part of the recovery crew there WERE part of that exercise.


The Go Team is only called on for actual crashes. Their only job is to investigate the crash and recover the plane to figure out what happened. They don't get called on for big gov't exercises.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
The Go Team is only called on for actual crashes. Their only job is to investigate the crash and recover the plane to figure out what happened. They don't get called on for big gov't exercises.

Jeez guys, what I was saying is that SOME of the recovery crew there were involved there.

I noticed none of you mentioned if you thought the terror drill next door was coincidental or not.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 08:09 PM
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Coincidental? Maybe.

Do a search for all major training drills that have occurred in the past 10 years without anything happening after that.

I know all major training drills here have never resulted in the real thing happening but we're a much smaller country that doesn't really show up on the world's "radar" anyway. However, we do train and do exercises for things that may happen given our own topography and likely scenarios. Good grief, even my primary school practiced fire drills and we never had a fire while I attended the school.

People remember drills like the one you pointed out simply because something did happen after the drill, regardless of the number of innocuous drills that have taken place in the past. It's like the media not reporting all the successful flights and only pointing out the ones that crashed, or the number of safe vehicle trips versus the major accidents.

If people want coincidences, they can see them everywhere but life doesn't happen that way. It was pure accident that brought Flight 93 down in the approximate area, it was not supposed to crash there. I also recall your article says they trained for a WMD or nerve/biological attack. Did that happen?



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Aotearoa
Coincidental? Maybe.

Do a search for all major training drills that have occurred in the past 10 years without anything happening after that.

Maybe? Think about all the other practice drills for each place that got hit on 9/11. Maybe that will broaden the coincidence for you.


If people want coincidences, they can see them everywhere but life doesn't happen that way. It was pure accident that brought Flight 93 down in the approximate area, it was not supposed to crash there. I also recall your article says they trained for a WMD or nerve/biological attack. Did that happen?

Well if they used a missile or bomb to help make the crash scene legit, would that count?



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 10:56 PM
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Try reading again what I posted, then apply the training/practice drills countrywide, then do the search. After that, post the sources and the results. Maybe that will broaden the non-coincidence for you.

Then tell me how a field - a field - was part of an area hit by a WMD, unless you count an aircraft as a WMD, in which case every country in the world has an entire arsenal of WMD. If you posit a WMD being a missile or bomb, every (or nearly every) country in the world has those, too.

If you agree (regardless of the reasons) that strikes on the WTC and Pentagon were logistically high profile targets, how is a field dangerous? Or even how, following such high profile strikes, a shopping mall would be more legitimate?



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Aotearoa
If you agree (regardless of the reasons) that strikes on the WTC and Pentagon were logistically high profile targets, how is a field dangerous? Or even how, following such high profile strikes, a shopping mall would be more legitimate?

I just find it too coincidental that they had a terror drill next door the month or so before.

Besides it doesn't really matter. We proved 9/11 was an inside job with Occam's razor.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 11:43 PM
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Then why on earth are you even discussing it? Why are you opening new threads? Why are you questioning things? If you've proved it, move on to something else.

I guess you're one of those people who thinks of zebras, not horses.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Aotearoa
Then why on earth are you even discussing it? Why are you opening new threads? Why are you questioning things? If you've proved it, move on to something else.

I guess you're one of those people who thinks of zebras, not horses.

Are you convinced 9/11 was an inside job yet?



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 12:01 AM
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No, it's unlikely I ever will be until all the evidence is in. No, I don't know how long that will take. Yes, I'm prepared to keep an open mind and logically answer any questions until I have all the evidence.

By the way, how on earth can you prove an "inside job" using Occam's Razor?

[Slightly Off Topic]
I will only get involved in discussion on Flights 77 and 93 because I'm not emotionally scarred from them as I am from watching the footage of the WTC. I originally ended up at ATS through research for another forum on details and evidence for Flight 93. I read all the (at that time) 160 pages of the Pentagon thread and decided to join ATS.
[End of Slightly Off Topic]



posted on Jun, 6 2006 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Aotearoa
No, it's unlikely I ever will be until all the evidence is in. No, I don't know how long that will take. Yes, I'm prepared to keep an open mind and logically answer any questions until I have all the evidence.

By the way, how on earth can you prove an "inside job" using Occam's Razor?

Did you read my Occam's razor thread? Read the 2nd post on that thread too, the reponder summed it up how I was trying to say it!




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