It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Please - Define the NWO

page: 1
0
<<   2 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on May, 27 2006 @ 08:40 PM
link   
Alright - this is driving me somewhat up a wall here.

So far, every page I've come across on the NWO is more or less an exact replica of one another...same old rehashing of "Elistist Agendas" and "whose to blame" heirarchies and what not.

While I respect everyone's right to their perspective and personal opinions, I don't see how any of this has a direct affect on our lives.

Oh, sure - our nation is represented by these "masterminds" and our corporations "controlled" by the very same. Our tlevisions are littered with propaganda and the State of the Nation is in very bad form indeed.

But on the counter - no one makes us buy these products, no one makes us watch television and no one is forcing their newpapers and propaganda on us directly. It all comes through VOLUNTARY PARTICIPATION.

Yes - there are forces at work beyond our control - we can't be everywhere all the time and put our two cents into every decision that passes through these various mediums.

So what does it seem people do in the midst of their paranoia?

They find a pamphlet, book or website that caters to these very fears and expounds upon them to no end. Oh, the deceit! I just KNEW something was up!

Well - duh.

You spend enough time searching for someone to blame, you're going to find something that has been written on the subject.

Amazingly enough - none of the various books I've checked out at the library (I refuse to pay for this nonsense), none of the webpages I've visited, and none of the people I've talked to up until this point can give me an objective definition of how the NWO is DIRECTLY and OBJECTIVELY affecting their lives in a negative way. Most of it is speculation or else based on some "coincidence" that just happens to fit in with their perceptions of the powers that be "controlling things".

Is this a valid observation? Who knows. Not everyone is walking the same direction on this road and some people are on entirely different paths.

That being said - those who expect a NWO will get one. Almost like the granting of some subconcious wish.

We've been part of the order since we were born - we grew up with it's dictates and socialization processes.

But I have yet to see anyone offer a better alternative. Even one suggestion would suffice.

Since the NWO is inevitable for so many - I'm going to ask a favor of those who subscribe to this notion if they'd be willing to "work with me" in the following scenario:

NWO. It's here. It's been around a while. The only way out is to completely abandon society or block it all out. You have no choice. You know this. In fact, it consumes you.

One day there is a knock at the door. It's the US Census. But this time there's a few more questions related to your mental health (how are you feeling about things these days?) and an additional list of consumer products you might be inclined to purchase or would like to see put into production.

Do you lie? Or do you tell the truth about how you feel and what you want?

If so - WHY?




posted on May, 27 2006 @ 08:56 PM
link   
I believe the NWO is on the verge of existance. Of course its not official and thats why your not going to find anything at the library relating to negative or positive aspects of it.

You say that our nation is run by masterminds and our corporations are run by the same but I would disagree. I don't think our country is run by masterminds and I definitely don't think our government is in control of the corporations in the U.S. anyway. I have no doubt that the corporations are running the government according to their agenda.
Don't forget that communism is when the goverment is in control of the corps and facism is when the corps are in control of the gov.

Point being, I think the U.S. is in fact on the verge of becoming facist.. only a matter of time. I also believe thats why the U.S. in its history has been so anti communist is because the corps have ALWAYS been in control of the gov.

Now the situation in my oppinion is this: Either one country manages to conquer the whole world some how or all the countries REALLY unite and form a NEW WORLD ORDER.

Although I am not a fan of corporate run governments since they have the power to raise prices in their compnay at any time (pray they dont), I do believe it is a decent way of life. Although it can almost be compared to the Feudal age in which different lords owned workers to toil on their land, I still believe were living in a better time and I am willing to suffer with this time. I am BTW a common worker at Lowes. While many people try to embrace the ignorance around them at work, I deal with it while at the same time deny it. Although I am a common worker no one is forcing me to remain an idiot.

What this all boils down to is that the NWO is here. It's a combination of corporation run government leaders and it is ready to take power. I say BRING IT ON! I want the NWO to come! It will put an end to many wars and then maybe we can all quit fighting over stoupid # and get on with our lives and create better technology to BETTER our lives! I hope!



posted on May, 27 2006 @ 09:36 PM
link   
Unfortunately no one can be told exactly what nwo is... you feel it when you pay your taxes... when you take out your trash... when you go shoping... when you watch tv...

Nwo is whatever you see it as untill we have better intel on its nature... The reason to discuss it is:

what if the pessimists are right


I can only give you my oppinion on the matter not a factual answer...

Also nwo is exactly what it stands for:
NEW WORLD ORDER

I do not consider that bad as I am only opposed to change for the worse...
even if that change must be brought about by violence... (or at least change good enough to be worth it)

Though would a benign nwo need to decieve us...
maybe...
not us though but our dumbars leaders...
but that brings us to the question of what and the question of what phase is it in...
a huge mystery...
I'm rambling...

now I finally get back to the point...
It is all and nothing...
amazingly good and horribly bad
a mid point between infinity and nothing and infinitely far from understanding either (yes I stole it from acecombat zero... I'm pathetic I know)
it is part fiction part fact
the more specific you get the less factual
point is that its any group wanting to take over the earth
meaning any country
any company
any group
any person

What is commonly refered to as nwo is an organization seeking to dominate the earth with complete hegemonic controll, enslavement, and constant surveillance.



posted on May, 27 2006 @ 10:27 PM
link   

Originally posted by Pyrotechnocracy23
But I have yet to see anyone offer a better alternative. Even one suggestion would suffice.


How about they stop sticking their penises into Children, and stop making mock human sacrifices? How about they stop killing millions upon millions of people with their stupid wars in which they often fund and/or control both sides? I could go on for hours...



Pyrotechnocracy23
those who expect a NWO will get one. Almost like the granting of some subconcious wish.


I happen to be of the belief that this is way bigger than me, and would still be happening whether I 'expect' a 'NWO' (I find this term so overgeneralised, and overused) or not.



Pyrotechnocracy23

So what does it seem people do in the midst of their paranoia?

They find a pamphlet, book or website that caters to these very fears and expounds upon them to no end. Oh, the deceit! I just KNEW something was up!

Well - duh.

You spend enough time searching for someone to blame, you're going to find something that has been written on the subject.


So now you're calling us all paranoid!? Just who in the hell are you saying is searching for someone to blame?! Someone to blame for what?

No, no, I strongly disagree with you here.






[edit on 27-5-2006 by Communication_Monster]



posted on May, 27 2006 @ 11:06 PM
link   
I was speaking in terms of the paranoia sites designed to scare people. More often than not, people always take this to be literal fact.

What I'm getting at is I see the New World Order as something positive, even though no one else does.

My definition of a New World Order has always been positive.

What I see is a transition to a higher state of consciousness and technology and global interaction.

We are becoming more advanced as a nation and global community - communications and trade between cultures is at an all time high. Tolerance is not only advocated, but now the mainstream way of thought.

Right now is probably not the best time to talk about this - were are a nation at war, and wartimes scenarios always make tensions run high in some circles. But even then, where were these outspoken anti-war activists when Iraq was under a dictarship? You can't have it both ways.

I'm not advocating war - but sometimes it's nessecary.

As far as some of your quotes, most were taken out of context and not in light of the overall post - which was meant to be lighthearted.

If you'll notice - I was leading up to a hypothetical scenario that no one else has bothered to address - which illustrates what I meant by people only "seeing what they want to see".

The question being : Would you lie on the census or not?

Comon' - hold it together - this is a theoretical discussion, not an attack.



posted on May, 27 2006 @ 11:25 PM
link   
I apologise if I took things out of context. I was offended by some of the things you typed there, and I still am a bit now I guess. I don't find there to be anything positive about the unification of the planet if it's initiated and maintained by a bunch of *EDIT* Satanic Paedophiles and power mad corporations who really couldn't give two #s about us, or the planet. If this thread was supposed to be light-hearted then I apologise, but I find myself with no capacity to formulate a light-hearted reply to it.



posted on May, 27 2006 @ 11:36 PM
link   
I'm dropping the thread.

This just failed miserably.

Laters all.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 12:02 AM
link   
Don't drop the thread. To me, one of the biggest questions about NWO is, if it exists, what really defines it's politics. Is it Conservative or Liberal. Two extremes wanting to be the only one.

Or in the end, are they both working towards it?

Today, it is very difficult to define a Liberal from a Conservative. The true essence of the words have lost their meaning.

I have always thought socialistic view(liberal) has more of a Totalatarian dominance than conservative. The more free pull you can give your horse,the easier it is to rein him in, and you will do it so nicely, he won't even notice.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 12:16 AM
link   
But hasn't the real heart of politics that affect our daily lives the most the way we, as members of a shared community relate to one another and communicate?

Capitol Hill can't ever be stronger than that.

What about our day to day? Isn't that the most important thing we should be focusing on?

Oh yeah - and just for the record - I'd be completely honest on my census test. I'd strive to give as much input as possible, especially if I thought any creative ideas would be theraputic and beneficial to others.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 09:12 AM
link   
NWO = Police State. Thats all it is.

The reason why Bush said 9/11 was the day the world changed is because he is right. The free world is heading towards this new 21st century alliance system.

Just look at the militarization of the police forces. It's nuts. And pretty soon they will have that new Storm Trooper body armour with the caseless handgun.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 01:06 PM
link   
But we never address the fact that these new "Police Forces" are just human beings liek us - capable of thought, reflection and rational/right action.

If it really was a NWO - I wouldn't think they would just hire any tom, dick or harry with a contol issue for the job. It would only reinforce the existing problems now.

Sorry - but I grew up in a military family - there is a radical difference between Military Police and your average city cop. A MASSIVE AMOUNT.

Is there the possibility people are just distrustful of the idea of a police state due to the overwhelming dislike of authority figures?

I mean, comon' - isn't it about time we outgrew that idea and became figures of authority (in our own lives) ourselves?



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 01:15 PM
link   
pardon my ignorance but what is that stormtrooper armor and what caseless handgun. Many things fit under that description. Could you clarify



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 02:16 PM
link   
A lot of this imagery is playing off the fear of death. The weapon, the faceless "reaper" figure in an invicible armour.

I have no fear of death, and for some reason, I find guys in this gear hot as heck...I have no idea why.

Why people suspect they will be targeted alongside criminals and terrorists is beyond me. It reeks of fear, and fear is the great catalsyt to the human tendancy to "seek a savior".

Most people are of the opinion that these guys are the anti-christ or something, and I just don't see that. It's an irrational conclusion to me, based off pre-conditioned attitudes and outlooks of people who haven't yet realized the actualization of self-awareness.

If we know whats going on, what they want and what they are on the look out for in terms of "undesirables" it just seems natural to embrace a new way of adapting to the change in the social enviroment...

unless of course, everyone is lazy and tired of personal evolution.

The consumer is not going to be the target as I see it - the average american who works a job and works within their community in some form or fashion (even just being there for a friend is considered a contibution).

If there is fear in our hearts, these guys are going to pick up on it - cops just work that way. I went down to the convience store last night and the officer (younger guy, I could sense his fear and suspicion of me) watched me for any signs of paranoia or subversion. (It's a small town with a big meth problem).

I smiled at him and said hello, and went about my business. He watch me the whole time. (I dress rather advant-garde in terms of small town life.)

But the point is - he's been trained to look for things like that. He's a small town rookie cop charged with protecting the peace. Sure, I fall into the stereotype of "different", but my action speak otherwise.

MILITARY COPS - on the other hand, are trained to look for specifics..and I've met a few of them as well (my father trained special ops guys in the military).

There are two types of military guys - cilvilians with something to prove, and they usually get weeded out for most operations early in their carrers - and then the high level soldier - who is solid, steadfast, of high moral and not subject to fits of pointless action or hasty judgement.

Why everyone thinks the military would unleash a bunch of idiots onto the street iwth guns and armor to play "games" witht eh public is just ridiculous a concept to me - I know firsthand how intensive the screening for canadites with these liberties is.

Seems there is a startling amount of lack of faith in the military due to the stupidity of certain members of the frontlines of governement (which could explain why guys in office get limited terms, but the soldier has the potential for a lifelong carrer).

Besides, most soldiers I've met (marines and tactic operations) are extremely well balanced and moral people.

I seriously doubt they would "turn on" the people they've dedicated their entire lives to serving just because some nutbag behind a desk told them to.

Most would stage a coup, or drop out and join the opposition.

If there is any danger - it's within people who act before thinking things through, regardless if they're in armor or just presenting ideas online.

Just a thought.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 02:43 PM
link   

Originally posted by Pyrotechnocracy23

Why people suspect they will be targeted alongside criminals and terrorists is beyond me. It reeks of fear, and fear is the great catalsyt to the human tendancy to "seek a savior".


People might think they will be targeted alongside criminals and terrorists because under the new Terror legislation in our respective countries any of us can be arrested pretty much without any reason. It's just out of control. In England, you can get your thumbprints taken and entered into the criminal database for pretty much no reason at all, and thousands of people have. I've heard about Police calling helicopters out because a Woman was eating an apple while she was driving. I've heard of people getting arrested at train stations for eating chocolate bars, and all kinds of madness. I'm sure there are plenty of people here who could give you much better examples.


EDIT: Take a look at this.





[edit on 28-5-2006 by Communication_Monster]



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 02:47 PM
link   
Pyro,

Don´t worry, you are just waking up, which is a good thing.

NWO is nothing more than the joining of powerful forces (money/families you name it) to ensure their survival and wealth.

I´ve said it before and will say it again:

If you are looking for something recent proving NWO check out PNAC

I am almost convinced they where in on creating the War on Terror.

What is NWO? Power. Nothing more nothing less.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 03:09 PM
link   
Thanks, Hard to Get.

Will look into it.


CM -

Couldn't all these reports just be more of the propaganda machine at work instilling fear?

And in regards to the photo - I wasn't there. But I WAS at WTO in Seattle when it happened. After the festivites would down, there was a lot of excitement in the air, and everyone was EXPECTING something to happen.

People were shouting anti-establishment chants and demanding their right to protest 9which was not being contested in the first place) but these SAME protestors were harassing the heck out of the people there for the meeting, blocking their entrance into the building and shouting the most horrible things -

Hold on. They have a right to protest but the delegates don't have a right to convene? That makes no sense.

The riot cops didn't move in until some 15 year old kid threw a trashcan through a Starbuck window screaming all sorts of slogans and started looting. Then others followed his lead. People just went nutso in the streets and the police moved in to clear the area only after the declaration of Martial Law went unheeded.

And the guys telling people the area was being put under Marital Law were NOT the riot cops. They were city officals and regular uniformed policemen.

The riot cops only moved in when people ignored the decree and blatantly insisted that "they had the right" to protest - and disrupt traffic and normal business functions of over four square city blocks?

Comon' - rights and civil liberties go both ways, and the majority of these protestors were so self absorbed they weren't thinking about anything but THEIR own individual "rights".

As a side note - I was there as an activist, and as an observer. My opinion on the whole subject at hand would be better dealt with over coffee and conversation than running wild in the streets chanting slogans like some sort of pagan ritual gone horribly, horribly wrong.

It's called herd mentality - and it can be dangerous.

I'm glad I left when I did, because if I had stuck around and violated the dictates of Martial Law, I would have probably gotten my arse whooped by the cops.

Like I said - they're visually oriented and anyone who had no left the area was a target for them.

And me in my black clothes, doc martens and anarchist t-shirt?

No thanks.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 03:27 PM
link   
You know, your Avatar says it all really.

Dr. Strangelove explaining the way for the elite few how to survive the (in the movie sic) nuclear holocaust by gathering down in caves with ten females to the male (or whatever I don´t remember). Exactly at the point of the movie where this picture refers to.

Seeing your Avatar just made me realise this. It´s not new the whole NWO thing. On the contrary, elite survival has been around since money was invented.

Preserve our precious bodily fluids.. Loved Dr. Strangelove...



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 03:33 PM
link   
Thanks - I try to keep in touch with inherent silliness of the human race.

You're the first to pick up on Strangelove. Kudos!

(Quite possibly the most defining movie in my life - we watched it in my AP Government class for our final essays)



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 08:49 PM
link   
Strangelove there's alot to this NWO thing. One aspect of it is that everyone who survives the next wave of terrorist attacks will be forced to accept an RFID chip because we're heading into a cashless society.

(Spychips by Katherine Albrecht.) Important read.

RFID technology is changing the very way we live. Once everyone has one (excluding those who resist in violent revolution) literally everything can be tracked. But it goes farther then that because I've recently learned that RFID technology can also manipulate your mind. No Joke. with radio waves thoughts can be transplanted in your spine and voila. A subserviant citizen.

And as for the body armour...I found out about it through Ghost Recon 2 for gamecube. In the game you can unlock different photos of soldiers and what have you and the new storm trooper body armour and caseless handgun were shown.

As for the police and military, one look at the Republican convention of 2004 in NYC and you'll see that the two are almost indistiguishable. At this rate the police will be the military.

The gun itself is nuts. You can have 4 different types of ammo because it has 4 different barrels. You can have both lethal and non lethal munitions. No bulky clips. It's all one unit. I'm not exactly sure how the technology works but caseless weapons are the future.



[edit on 28-5-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 08:52 PM
link   
New World Order.

I don't really know what it is but order? what do they mean by order?



new topics

top topics



 
0
<<   2 >>

log in

join