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On Good Friday, more than a million people will flock to the hill in the Iztapalapa neighborhood to watch the annual re-enactment of Christ's final hours, when a man chosen to portray Christ is hung from a cross atop the hill.
But on a recent afternoon as workers readied the steel structures that will support the actors' crosses, a group of archaeologists peered into a pit being dug a few yards away.
"Take a little dirt off the stone in the corner," Maria de los Angeles Flores, the archaeologist in charge of the dig, told a student in the pit holding a shovel.
A row of large stones outlined what she said was probably an altar.
Organizers of the Passion play this year welcomed the find as another example of the coming together of Mexico's Catholic present with its pre-Columbian past. Mexico's patron saint, Our Lady of Guadalupe, appeared to St. Juan Diego just a few years after the Spanish conquest on a hill outside Mexico City where the Aztecs worshiped Tonantzin, the mother of their gods.
"We take the pyramid's discovery as a symbol of the communion between Catholic and pre-Hispanic Mexico," said the Passion play's chief organizer, Roberto Guillen, an Iztapalapa native who played Judas for the event during 2002-2004.
Originally posted by Al Davison
Interesting example but hardly unique to this location.
Follow the money.
Originally posted by Nygdan
What do you mean to grant the benefit of the doubt? What does it matter what the site used to be?
The people (edit) that are praying to god at those sites are being ignored by god, more so than at sites that you personally feel are 'clean'??? These people aren't mixing paganism and christianity, that would require actual beleif in pagan gods.
In 1833, a cholera epidemic raged though Iztapalapa, and villagers begged their patron, as represented by a statue of Christ known as the Lord of the Little Cave, to put an end to the plague. As legend goes, the disease subsided, and residents have staged the procession every year since as a show of thanks.
"We take the pyramid's discovery as a symbol of the communion between Catholic and pre-Hispanic Mexico,"
Originally posted by Shane
is extreme, in my personal view.
THIS IS SACRAFICING CHRIST ON AN ALTER OF A FALLEN ANGEL. (The Lessor gods and deities).
some lessor god or diety is dancing with delight. The sacrafical lamb, is being placed upon 'their' alter, and as in the past, there is blood still being spilt.
If they opted to use a neighbouring Hill
But how many Christ's are hoisted on a Cross, and shed their blood, atop an Pagan Altar?
But to me, I believe those who have partaken, (and certainly in this past few years), will need to address this for themselves. It will be something for which they WILL BE JUDGED,
who's Pagan period of festivity is during the Passover period.
but in this wonderful world we live in today, we are still afforded the opportunity to disagree
Originally posted by FuzzyMcSlash
Is anyone here actually Pagan ?
was not the first "God on Earth" to be crucified
Why does there have to be a magic ritual in order to make the place acceptable for worship? Why must that ritual be performed by an authorized Roman Catholic Preist?
Originally posted by robin good
hi, new here
Sorry for dragging this one back up but it interested me.
Within the UK there are numerous early churches built on early pagan worship sites.
As an aside, an ancient church local to me (I'm a Brit BTW) has incorporated into it a piece of a Saxon carving (or so the archeologist told me) of a warrior fighting a serpent.
On a semi related note, anyone heard of Celtic Christianity.
Various and many historical documents indicate that, after Jerusalem, the first Christian church was established in England. It's founder, and founder as well of many seminaries, was Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of the Virgin Mary. He was Jesus' great uncle. Joseph was a rich merchant with a large fleet of ships that ran the tin trade for the Roman Empire, between England and the Mediterranean.
As Jesus' great uncle, Joseph became Jesus' Guardian (by Law, as next of kin) when Mary's husband Joseph died early in Jesus' life. He took Jesus with him on his journeys to Glastonbury, England. The place we know as Avalon; the King Arthur Avalon. This is the location of the first Christian church built above ground.
To paraphrase an old saying, "All Christian roads lead to England."
If Jesus was indeed absent from Judea from age twelve to age thirty, as some believe, we should be able to find evidence that this was the case. In Matt 17 Jesus was being asked for the Stranger's tax. They seemed aware that Jesus lived in Capernaum. They didn't know if he was exempt from the tax, having been gone for a long time.
John the Baptist, who was Jesus' cousin, and spent time with Jesus as they grew up, was very uncertain as to Jesus' identity at his baptism. If Jesus had spent the "lost years" in Judea, he and John would certainly have seen each other at the three yearly Feasts.
Then we find two accounts of Jesus' identity being questioned. "Is this not Joseph's son?" "Brought up here?" (Luke 4) "Is not this the carpenter's son?" (Matt 14) And in John 1 we find that Nathaniel, who only lived five miles from Nazareth, doesn't know Jesus. Capt says that Nathaniel was from Cana.
Of Jesus' visits to England, scattered evidence abounds. Here's a short scenario from C.C. Dobson
"As a boy He was brought merely for a visit by Joseph of Arimathea on one of his voyages. Later as a young man He returned and settled at Glastonbury for the purpose of quiet study, prayer, and meditation. Here He erected for Himself a small house of mud and wattles. " Dobson goes on to present historical evidence.
In a letter to Pope Gregory, St.Augustine states that there was a church "constructed by no human art, but divinely contructed (or by the hands of Christ Himself), for the salvation of His people."
The historian, Gildas, says Jesus' "Light and precepts" were "afforded...to this island during the ...last year of the reign of Tiberius. Tiberius retired to Caprae in A.D. 27.
William of Malmesbury includes in his writings the contents of a letter given by King Ina to Glastonbury, 700 AD."To the ancient church, situate in the place called Glastonbury (which Church the Great High Priest and Chiefest Minister formerly through His own ministry, and that of angels....." This confirms Gildas' statement that Jesus had a ministry at Glastonbury.
The historical records called the Domesday Surveys, also bear witness to Jesus' presence in Glastonbury. These surveys state that Glastonbury contained 12 hides (160 acre parcels) of land that "have never paid tax." This was because the King Arviragus gave these parcels to Joseph of Arimathea when he arrived in England in 37 AD.
It will be noticed that two distinct events are spoken of above: (1) The foundation of the Church in England by the Disciples of Christ. (2) The acceptance of Christianity by the British Nation under Good King Lucius about AD 170. Britain was the first of all nations to accept Christianity as its national religion. Few people realize that this is why the British King is called "our Most Religious King". Not many realize that the superior dignity and antiquity of our national Church has been decided by Church Councils. The Councils of Pisa in 1409, Constance in 1417, Sienna in 1424, and Basle in 1434. It was there contended that the Churches of France and Spain must yield in points of antiquity and precedence to that of Britain, as the latter Church was founded by Joseph of Arimathea immediately after the Passion of Christ.
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the Holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?
Bring me my sword of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.