Hundreds of Rockets Left For Anyone to Grab

Considering that the railines problem in the north east seems to be for electric trains (subways) I am wondering how this was affected also?

And the recent gunshots heard at the capital, seem to hint at a false flag operation relating to that rail line problem... ( another 9-11 event)

Check out the capital shots fired threads...
something is fishy here

Being mentioned in the ATSNN feed also, good stuff this is. I just finished listening to the audio link covering this.

Still listening to it actually.

Interesting stuff indeed...I'm going to have to check that out.

BTW, I contacted my congressman about this the day it went down and heard back from his aide today:

Mr. *****,

Thank you for taking the time to email Congressman Linder about this train. You are not the first to notify us of this negligence and we have already begun looking into why this shipment was left unguarded and who is responsible. I will keep you posted on the progress of our investigation.

Thank you again for your email.

Derick Corbett
Deputy Chief of Staff
Office of Congressman John Linder
[email protected]
770-232-3005, (fax) 770-232-2909

Looks like I wasn't the only one who wrote him. I'll post anything else I hear from Mr. Corbett, although I don't actually anticipate being kept "posted on the progress of our investigation."

-O

For those looking for a starting address to see where the tracks lead:

Two Northside 75
Suite 100
Atlanta, GA 30318

This will be the little red arrow thing on one of the pictures, that signifies the address.

-O

Originally posted by The Big O
You know, we thought it was news worthy too... or would at least help in getting it away from the building. But when someone called WSB TV they were told "we're aware of the situation and don't think it's news worthy."

Since no one had yet been shot, killed, or mugged it wasn't news. Their top story at the time was that a small kitten had lost a paw and a piece of it's tale. No beef with kittens, but this seemed more important.

-O

This makes me think that the news people had been TOLD that they would NOT mention it on the air......you know not advertise the availability of rockets, just in case any terrorist were watching. It would not be the first time they were told to hold or change a story, I'd bet!! ( Umm, Just how close are you to the CDC, Big O??)

Also the timing. May 25th, when that 'former air traffic controller' said part of the comet would hit us.....maybe he was in possession of some info and that was his way of leaking it??

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Frayed,
your mind works like a jigsaw puzzle...
just fitting pieces here and there, exactly where they should go, and adding more to the mosaic...

that is a good thing for researching conspiracy... being able to "place hold" data, and see if it fits later, without "pasting" it permanently in place...

Lets check that out...
where is the CDC? is there anything else you can think of in that area, that would make a target? and i am totally unfamiliar with trains...
is there a way to follow the track, or are there too many places it could change tracks?

and the bit on the asteroid... I doubt the connection personally, but for you to see that as a possible connection bespeaks a crisp complex mind...
I wonder if there is any update on his "prediction"?

[edit on 2-6-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

frayed1,

I don't work near the CDC, that's in Decatur near the Emory campus. However, I used to live right by it when I lived in Decatur, tried to get work there actually, but they weren't hiring people fresh out of college at the time.

At any rate, I don't think these tracks would have went near the CDC, but I'm guessing that it's technically possible as there is a rail line that passed by my old apartment, and right through the heart of the Emory campus.

I'll take a look at some things with Google Maps later today to try and trace the route for you and I'll point out some reference points.

My main thing is that there are just a ton of people around here. Most don't realize just how densly populated the greater metro atlanta area is. Granted, the rockets themselvs p[robably don't make that big of an explosion, but one stray rocket into a fertilizer silo or chemical facility and blammo, big big problem. Not to meiton all of the tankers that are basically at a stand still on I-285 during rush hour. I'm just scared being next to them in regular traffic.

I also concur that I think the press was probably told not to say anything about the rockets. I was surprised CNN didn't have a story on this since they're here and like to sensationalize Atlanta news. Then again, this train was in an area some might consider "bad," even though there are as many rich kids in Jettas as there are hoods in hoopdies riding around here. As someone else said, some gang member may have wanted to get their hands on a big time trump card.

One more thing, where can I host pictures at? I don't have any more space left on my ABS account, and I'd like to be able to post some decent resolutions pics of the maps and stuff.

-O

rockets ????? where ?????

no offence -- but i see stilages and shipping tubes

just consider for a second they might be EMPTY . thats why security is so " lax " what you are loounkig at is a few tons of aluminium transport tupes for STORING rockets

some times the simple explainations make sense

unless any one has any additional evidence that the ACTUALLY contained live munitions ???

the warning tags and stickers are often not removed from the crates -- only the HAZMAT board on the end of the train tells you if its carrying live ordnance or empty packing

Send them to me, I will host them for you. Feel free to u2u with any qustions.

considering it occured in a country where many of the general public have firearms, I don't think this is anything like as big an issue as it is being made out to be.

Take it from some one who knows, never are military grade anything ever transported unsupervised, let alone with out physical protection. Even if there was a sat locked on and tracking that shipment. Who would have been able to respond and prevent it from being blown up and detonated in and of it's self?

Firarms are way different than CLASS A EXPLOSIVES, my Navy redshirt friend, used to hang CLASS A explosives off of airplanes, he was shocked they were on a railroad.

Well since you are someone who knows, there is no point discussing it I guess.



Class A explosives are dangerous obviously, and such rockets (whether they were Hydra or MRLS components) can be used for IEDs if combined with sufficient know-how/equip. But "Class A" is very broad: "Class A explosives- Possessing, detonating, or otherwise maximum hazard; such as dynamite, nitroglycerin, picric acid, lead azide, fulminate of mercury, black powder, blasting caps, and detonating primers."

My understanding is that CFR 49 doesn't require escort of Class-A explosives. Unless you can correct that understanding....

[edit on 2-6-2006 by planeman]

another point that has just occured to me -- looking at the photo -- even if the tubes contained rockeet ordnance --- and i am still awiting any evidence that they did

how would you steal one ???? the complete stilage will weigh several tons -- and require a crane to lift it

each tube - is secured in the frame -- and due to the proximity of the head boards on the rail cars -- i would like to see you extract a round from the tubes

so -- its unlikley that they are just "Left For Anyone to Grab"

Well, there is no way to know for sure that there were actually rockets within those cannisters. Perhaps we should have actually opened one up...j/k.

I will admit there is the possbility that they were empty.

However, as you will see when ADVISOR posts the pic I sent him, the train line behind my building is indeed the same one that passes by the CDC.

I'm not the one connecting the dots on a larger "ordeal" going down, but someone on the big May 25th Consipracy thread wanted to know if these rails passed by the CDC and sure enough, they do.

-O

[edit on 2-6-2006 by The Big O]

[edit on 2-6-2006 by The Big O]

Originally posted by planeman
My understanding is that CFR 49 doesn't require escort of Class-A explosives. Unless you can correct that understanding....

Well that is yours or their understanding, mine comes from a first hand account. Hell we didn't even transport empty locked on the rack M16s without physical security. There is just no excuse for military hardware being unattended. It just isn't a practice I have seen.

Nevermind, I was able to buy enough space to post a version of the picture.

The blue line is the tracks the rockets were on, actually the line is just under the tracks. I laveld my building and the CDC and put the addresses on there too so anyone else could do this.

Take it for whatever it's worth.

-O

I have no way of knowing how hard it is to unload one of these thigns. I'll leave that up to people who are in the military and have handled them.

They could be empty, they might not be.

All I know is they were there and the DHS didn't believe us. Then a helicopter showed up and flew a perimeter for 30-45 minutes, rocket thing on it's side and camera on it's belly, and then they were gone.

-O

Originally posted by The Big O
I have no way of knowing how hard it is to unload one of these thigns.

Not hard at all.
If it is a aircraft munition, my friend says it looks like a Sparrow caseing but longer.
Two People could move one at a time, they arn't very heavy just to big to handle. He says they look to be stacked on pallets for a fork lift to move.

According to the witness it said "Rocket Ammnuition Class A Explosive Ammunition" on it. It's pretty clear they are MRLS tubes which may or may not have had rounds in them. Here's a picture to confirm (the tubes on the right): www.redstone.army.mil...

Now we know that it can't have been armed as that would have contravened DOT regs. I also don't think it was warheads anyway, since they are normally transported seperately to the motors. If it does contain warheads, they aren't fused. Rocket motors are by their nature slow-burning explosives if that isn't an oxymoron. To get them to go "bang" instead of "fizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" (like a huge roman candle) you'd need to modify them by sealing up the end and even then the tube casing is likely to be too strong and not prone to fragmentation so you would probably only blow out the end.

So rockets do not make particularly efficient IEDs. When you hear of insurgents using Rockets as roadside bomb, they mean the warhead. A wannabe terrorist could make a far more effective bomb working from scratch.

Looks pretty close to me, even has the DO NOT DROP spray painted on that we all thought was pretty funny. Also shown as six to a section, just like on the train car. Unless someone else shows otherwise, you've got the leading "explanation" so far.

The only thing missing is the orange signs that said "Warning" or "Explosives" or something. You can see what I'm talking about in my picture or videos.

Do they usually lable the propultion part of a rocket with "Rocket Ammunition?" Shouldn't that be labeled something else. Unless I'm undertanding you incorrectly, these aren't the parts that go BOOM, right?

Here is a close up my my rocket:



Here is a close up of Planeman's rocket:



As you can see, everything lines up. All of the spraypainted text is located in exactly the same place on both sets of rockets.

Could we have a winner folks?

-O

[edit on 2-6-2006 by The Big O]