Originally posted by indierockalien
Wow... all I can say is that some of you people are so narrow minded, it almost sounds like you're saying that nobody is supressing any alternative fuels and that gasoline is still our best bet. It's been more than 100 years, guys. And we're still running on the same damn thing as in the early 1900s. Whereas other technologies have improved thousands of times over, cars are still runing on stone-age fuel. There IS a cover up. I don't have proof, but ya know, look at history for your proof, ya friggin pinheads trashing everyone and not giving any evidence. God you people make me so sick. Morons like you still going "Ahilk gasoline is our only friend." I wanna shake you until all the indoctrination from all your years and years of "education" comes spilling out your nose.... How can you people be ON THIS SITE, yet be so naive and narrow minded?
Somebody close this argument before the flag waving oil addict Amerizombies spew any more garbage outta their mouths.
That's my two cents, and if you don't like it, go pray to science to come smite me.

[edit on 1-12-2007 by indierockalien]

Sorry, Sparky. Until and unless something other than fairy tales is generated to replace gasoline, it's what we have.

And fanciful tales of perpetual motion and water powered cars won't change that ugly little fact.

Yes, I have heard of this guy. He had been saying for years that you can turn water into a hydrogen/oxygen gas with very little energy, then feed it into your car's engine and burn it just as if it were a gasoline/air mixture.


Supposedly he had a number of working prototypes, some international patents, and a lot of enemies back home.


It is said that he was eating at a restaurant when he jumped up and exclaimed that he had been poisoned. Then ran out of the cafe and dropped dead.



To those of you who think more energy out than in is equal to a violation of laws of physics, consider this:


Energy to initiate nuclear bomb: 5x10^6 joules.

Energy released from nuclear bomb: 2x10^20 joules.


So the device puts out one hundred trillion times the energy input.

Now, how can you say that some other source of energy can't be tapped by a device that requires little energy to run? By the definition of "more out than in" a nuclear bomb is impossible. Yet, we know they work.

So why not something else? Do we really think we understand ALL forms of energy out there, waiting to be discovered?

Response to post by Astyanax

Repeat this to yourself nine times:

"Free" energy is energy that was always there.


This energy source is simply in a form we haven't recognized and legitimized yet. Every new form of energy is a myth until people who don't believe in it eventually give up fighting or die of old age. Denying the existence of something you WON'T investigate is arrogant, ignorant, and a recipe for maintaining the status quo, not progress.

There ARE more forms of energy out there, that are part of the natural universe which we just haven't discovered or can't understand yet. If by accident some person taps into this energy source, it is the job of science to INVESTIGATE those claims, and explain the results. But instead, scientists all rush in to say what is being observed is impossible, and go home.

"Scientists" too often act like jealous hermits who try and maintain their relative intellectual position in society, rather than admit that one not among them may have discovered some part of the truth.


"At every crossway on the road that leads to the future, each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard the past"


[edit on 2-12-2007 by dionysius9]

Originally posted by SIRR1
Stan Meyer, the man who invented an economical way to produce hydrogen from everyday tap water was found dead in his home.

I just wonder if he was killed to keep him silent

please change the title of the thread to "man dies a natural death, paranoids jump to conclusions"

why haven't the evil old white men who control oil and don't want this technology bombing the flex-fuel plant GM built in Brazil ?

they make fuel out of sugar for crying out loud, they must all die !!!!

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
why haven't the evil old white men who control oil and don't want this technology bombing the flex-fuel plant GM built in Brazil ?

they make fuel out of sugar for crying out loud, they must all die !!!!

Because they own the materials and are selling the product at a profit. How is that any different from oil?

Fuel from sugar is no threat to oil whatsoever. Fuel from WATER is.


They can't sell water for $3.00 a gallon.

wow, another innovation stopped in it's tracks. another step towards progress witheld. could of been the step to free the future generation of our sins, our burden, and our apathy. who knows where we would be today if such ideas were protected and nurished. what a world it could of been. a world with a lifted veil and an unlimited tomorrow.

This has to be invented and used some where outside united states first, away from the corporate eyes, some where in some small country, then other small countries need to begin and use it, they only control what go's in their backyard, once people start using it they can't really do anything about it and it will catch in united states also, afrer a period of time.
Some guy that build's it , has to go to a small manufacturing car company, like a local brand, other small car manufacturing guys will want it.
That is about it, it's not imposible.


[edit on 2-12-2007 by pepsi78]

Or, let's just say someone figures out how to build this thing again. The first thing they should do is xerox the blueprints and mail out 10,000 copies, simultaneously email every list of email addresses they can get their hands on, and post videos of its construction on every video site in every country of the world.


Forget patents. The powers that be will never let a single person sell an idea like that.


It must be spread like a virus, quickly, and through as many channels as possible.


Only an act like this can preserve the idea.

Or, let's just say someone figures out how to build this thing again. The first thing they should do is xerox the blueprints and mail out 10,000 copies, simultaneously email every list of email addresses they can get their hands on, and post videos of its construction on every video site in every country of the world.

There are plans out already, with detail specification.

Forget patents. The powers that be will never let a single person sell an idea like that.

Well if a country like china , rusia, or another countries more neutral manages to build this then they can't do anything about it.
They only control their backyard, once the news is out that cars in some places of the world are running on the streets on water then people from their backyard are going to want them too, then they would not be able to do antything because the product is already out and exists.





[edit on 2-12-2007 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by dionysius9
Repeat this to yourself nine times: "Free" energy is energy that was always there.

Sounds like a waste of energy, repeating what I already know: energy can never be created or destroyed.

This energy source is simply in a form we haven't recognized and legitimized yet.

But in this instance there is no energy unaccounted for! Just a raft of untested claims from a man who didn't know what he was talking about.

Denying the existence of something you WON'T investigate is arrogant, ignorant, and a recipe for maintaining the status quo, not progress.

Denying the existence of something that shows no evidence of being there, however, is a legitimate use of human intelligence. Insisting that something exists when there is not trace of evidence to suggest it does is a sorry misapplication of it.

Before we knew nuclear energy existed, people assumed the sun BURNED. Therefore it could not be more than 10,000 years old.


This information was used for a brief period as evidence that mankind was less than 10,000 years old, and that evolution couldn't be how living things came to be, because the sun and earth did not exist together for enough time for evolution to take place.


Once nuclear energy was discovered, the age of the sun was then put at a number of around 4.5 billion years, which is 450,000 times older.


Is nuclear energy the end of the line? Who knows? Just because you got your PhD in physics in 2007 doesn't mean that you know everything we will know in 300 years.


Think of how fast our knowledge has been expanding during the last 100 years! New information and theories come to light so fast that the basis of science is hardly on a foundation anymore as much as a flying carpet.


Every question we answer in science gives rise to two more questions. How can we assume that we exist, in terms of knowledge, at the high end of a number line when the point we occupy is arbitrary and the line goes on forever in both directions?


Nuclear energy is not the last thing we will discover. There ARE other forms, perhaps too subtle, exotic, or mathematical for us to understand at this point in time. But it doesn't mean they aren't there.


I believe that within a glass of water exists an amount of energy massive enough to take care of all mankind's energy needs. The only problem is that today we are not clever enough to devise a machine that taps into it.


Or perhaps we are too stubborn to try... ?




[edit on 3-12-2007 by dionysius9]

it doesn't matter how wonderful ur discovery is...if 'THEY' can't make $ from it or if it threatens their monopoly....it won't happen.....GB

Meh. Stanley Meyers was your average dime-a-dozen over unity, run your car on water huckster, who is only of any interest because he died.

You know, its difficult to say if his invention worked or not by looking at the video however, what happend to his equipment after his death? Who has it? I doubt there is any quick answer to this question but I would think someone has it and it could be looked at.