Stanley A. Meyer, the controversial Ohio inventor who had claimed his technology could produce a hydrogen-oxygen mixture with a minimal energy input (compared with conventional electrolysis) died on March 21, 1998.

to his address the minute that he let that secret (of what was in the black box)
out...
too bad he died before he did... (or was murdered)

I guess in this case, nobody wins...

lesson: if you have a revolutionary invention that would save the world... then let it out, and hope that Karma works...

if not, then you might dissapear before you make a dime...
secrecy sucks...

I do know a friend from college that invented a variable tilt fan blade, the patent was bought by an energy consortium... and never used...
it would have (by claim) increased fan effiency by over 50%

so i do beleive that there are some inventions that are "sabotaged" by big oil, and other interests...
but there are alot of con artists trying to bilk america also...

If i'm not mistaken, he was on Coast to Coast last year.

Another one bites the dust. Gone the way of so many who have been on that talk show.

Originally posted by Aelita
From Wikipedia:

The water fuel cell was claimed to produce several times more energy than it consumed

Case closed

Don't jump to conclusions like that.

Water molecules already hold an amount of energy.

Its totaly posible to convert a molecule to a substance that can be used as fuel, by inputing a certain amount of energy, that is lower then what you'll get out of the end product, since the original substance in itself also holds an amount of energy.

If it takes 1 part of energy to convert a substance that holds 10 parts of energy to a form that can be used as a conbustable fuel, the final product has the potential to output 10x more energy then you put in to convert it.

People that comment on these kinds of things keep slamming it with laws of conservation of energy while they keep forgetting that when converting water to useable energy sources, the starting product, water, already has a serious energy potential.

Seems people like you have to be reminded of atomic bombs from time to time.
You have a nasty block of radioactive fuel, that didn't take tons of energy put into it to be refined in a lab.

Yet when exploded in its simplest form, a bullet like projectile fired at a block of this junk, will give an explosion worth kilo of not megatons of TNT.

Where are the facts here that Meyers died? There are no news articles. Fox did a special on Meyers, I would think they would at least post news of his death. I see no dates of death or anything alluding to it.

Thats pretty sad that if he was murdered. Does anyone know where I could find the article or source which confirms he was murdered? i couldnt find any news sources that say he was murdered. Polanksi said his drink was poisoned at a party, but another site I read claimed he died from a mysterious food posioning?

I read that he had accepted a contract to work for the pentagon and DARPA or something like that to further develop the technology. Perhaps they faked his murder and made his work into a black project?

I think that if you invent something really ground breaking that lots of people have very vested intrests in making sure it doesnt make it your best bet would be to let all the secrets out to as many people as fast as you can. Think of like a modern day potbelly wood stove which Ben Franklin invented and gave away for free as his gift to help heat the world. You would gain lots of recognition and ultimately come out on top if you did it right.




[edit on 14-6-2006 by warpboost]

posted by LazarusTheLong

I know a friend that invented a variable tilt fan blade, the patent was bought by an energy consortium . . and never used . . it would have (by claim) increased fan efficiency by over 50% . . there are a lot of con artists trying to bilk America also . . lesson: if you have a revolutionary invention that would save the world . . then let it out, and hope that Karma works . . “ [Edited by Don W]

In the earlier days of car-making, Buick offered a Dynaflow Drive option that included a “switch the pitch” feature. A fluid coupling is a simple two element oil filled device - torus is the driving member and turbine is the driven member - most commonly used to supplement the clutch. Chrysler Corporation used it for years. Someone added a third element, called the stator, which redirected the flow of oil thereby making the unit into what we call a torque converter. Today, every automatic transmission uses that device. Since all engineering involves a series of compromises, likewise are the angles of the blades in the torque converter elements. Buick learned how to “switch” the pitch in the stator element thereby more efferently re-directing the oil flow. One pitch for start-up, the second pitch for cruise.

Airplanes. Hamilton-Standard become rich and richer when it developed - invented - a reliable mechanism to “switch the parch “ of an airplane’s spinning propeller. That was done in the 1930s. Variable pitch props offer a “power” wetting for take-off ana a “cruise” setting for maximum efficiency. Also, very critical to airplanes, those variable pitch props include one position called “feathering” when the propeller can be turned into the wind, so as to reduce engine drag when an engine has failed.

I don’t know what a patent costs. I’m pretty sure it is very expensive. Not the filing fee, but the cost to get the application ready to file. That usually involves patent lawyers and engineers working together. Not cheap.

Originally posted by Aelita
From Wikipedia:

The water fuel cell was claimed to produce several times more energy than it consumed

Case closed

Seriously. Shouldn't this claim completley debunk this supposed invention? It violates the law of conservation of energy. This is middle school stuff, here.

1) So far no one has produced anything to support the allegation that the man was murdered. Was there Coroner’s report? Is their a police file on the incident?

2) IF he was murdered, then how do you know it wasn’t by an irate investor who discovered he’d been swindled?

This reminds me of the Law & Order episode where a guy who specialized in "talking to the dead" scams was murdered be a doctor who put arsenic in his bottle of hot sauce.

No way! Murder of a free-thinking man? In the US? Never.
Oh yeah, he was murdered all right. By one of these groups:
1)Oil companies
2)Arabs
3)NASA
4)The Government
5)The Illuminati?
Yup. Building something that would cause an industry as big as the oil industry is like going anywhere else in the world with a USA shirt on: you're gonna die.

Also, If he was murdered, which he was, it just proves that his invention works.

[edit on 20-6-2006 by CaptainIraq]

Hmm he invented one of the most revolutionary devices known to mankind and then was offered a position with the pentagon, then in front of a lot of people he yells "I’ve been poisoned" and collapses in the parking lot? Oh then the only known vehicle that works on this H2O is destroyed by his partner?? SURE!!

Has anyone else thought that he may have done this in front of people for witnesses so he can be moved to a secret government location to work on projects like this for the military?

Just my theory it sounded to convenient that he was offered a position then was mysteriously poisoned and no one knows by who or with what he was poisoned with?

Oh well I really hoped this happened even if the military benefits from this first then people 50 years from now are let in on the technology.

It has happened before people dissapear/die/ fall off planet never seen before but their actually working for the "pentagon"

If he was indeed murdered, it was probably by someone who lost money investing in his scam. There’s a sucker born every minute. . . .