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Is there any connection?

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posted on May, 24 2006 @ 11:06 PM
Is there any conection?

Two Greek F16 fighters scrambled to intercept two Turkish F16s that were escorting a reconnaissance aircraft over the southern Aegean when, according to a statement from the Greek military, one of the Turkish jets made a sudden manoeuvre that violated air-traffic rules.

Witnesses saw a ball of fire when two of the jets collided at 8,230m (27,000ft). The Turkish pilot ejected and was rescued by a passing cargo ship, but the Greek pilot was killed, according to the Turkish Foreign Ministry.

And then on the following day.........

A huge fire had to be brought under control at Istanbul's Ataturk International airport. A Kurdish separatist group said it had started it to protest against Turkish "massacres" against the Kurds. Yet, the Turkish authorities say a short circuit may have caused the fire.

Greece and Turkey have brandished the threat of war three times over territorial and airspace disputes in the Aegean since 1974.

It seems more plausible to place blame somewhere other than the Kurds. Did you see the size of that fire? could that realy not be more contained if it was an electrical fault?

I dont know a great deal about the relationship between Greece and Turkey, enlightenment would be greatly recieved.

Also anyone with a more detailed scripture of the last two days events could help me understand.


[edit on 25-5-2006 by ADVISOR]

posted on May, 25 2006 @ 03:31 AM
Hmmm interesting. Na i didn't see the fireball i live in England.

posted on May, 25 2006 @ 04:49 AM
heres a link for the newspaper article for those that havnt read it
this is the greek aviation news

things havent been good between these to nations for a long time

Given the continuing attention to their disputes over Cyprus, the Aegean Sea, and other issues, it may seem paradoxical to speak of opportunities for improvement in the bilateral relationship between Greece and Turkey.

After all, recent headlines over frustrated negotiation efforts in Cyprus, new Turkish assertions over Greek sovereignty in the Aegean Sea, and the continuing armament acquisition programs in both Greece and Turkey seem to confirm that the Greek-Turkish relationship is hopelessly deadlocked in diplomatic tension and rhetorical antagonism.

The above was a Strategic report written by Ambassador Thomas Niles in april/may 1998

from HERE

This is from the turkish news opinion

foreign affairs

hope this helps you finding out more about the dispute

posted on May, 25 2006 @ 05:53 AM

Thank you for your post, It has certainly opend my eyes somewhat and it shows that Turkey and Greece are divided even more so by the links through the EU.

This part of the report you posted is a scarey thought:

What Greece appears to want however goes against the grain. It seems it wants to allow for the possibility of a future war between Turkey and the EU. If this is what it is saying, then there are some odd minds at work in Athens indeed.

Odd indeed.

I am not 100% sure of the military might of either country, I would presume that they would not be worlds apart in fire power although I am sure there would be constraints from member nations from the EU.

It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any further linked information to the ongoing battle of Turkey, Greece and now the EU.

It would also be interesting to hear from anyone who thinks there maybe links to the 23rd and 24th of may incidents that the media is not implicating.

Also maybe someone could enlighten me as to the actual strengths of the Turkey and Greece military, and possibly any defences that are or have been in position over these forementioned disputes.

posted on May, 25 2006 @ 06:50 AM
the following site has a more in deph view of relations between greece and turkey

Political Aspects of the Dispute
From the outset of the Imia crisis Greece has asked the Turkish government to affirm officially and unequivocally its adherence to three fundamental principles that guide relations among all civilized nations:

that it respects international law and treaties;
that it condemns the use of force or the threat of such use in relations between nations; and
that the country raising novel territorial claims -- in this case, Turkey -- must seek their resolution by peaceful means, under international law, at the International Court of Justice.
Among world nations today, these principles are self-evident. Any country that finds it difficult to state its unequivocal acceptance of them is a country that questions the very basis upon which peaceful relations among nations are built.

Unfortunately, in the past two months Turkey has consistently refused to make even these minimal and self-evident commitments. Its refusal persisted in the face of constant efforts by a number of Greece's European Union partners, as well as the United States, urging Turkey to do just that. On March 25, 1996, the Turkish government refused to commit itself to similar principles, which had previously been incorporated in the draft Common Position of the EU Foreign Ministers. As a consequence, the Council of Ministers had to postpone for the near future the scheduled EU-Turkey Association Council.

from here

another site talks of the US, untied nations and other countries are arming both sides

While the danger of a major armed confrontation between Greece and Turkey is becoming increasingly real, the United States and other NATO countries are continuing to arm both sides in the conflict. Jeopardising efforts by the US Department of State to de-escalate tensions between the long-time adversaries, the US Department of Defense is continuing to authorise transfers of advanced offensive weapons to both countries.

The long-standing arms race between Greece and Turkey continues to spiral. Together, they already have a larger tank fleet than the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy combined. Last year, both countries also announced massive procurement programmes for their armed forces (see Tables 2.3 and 2.4). Greece has unveiled plans to spend $24 billion over the next eight years. Turkey has committed to a $31 billion expenditure over the next decade in the first stage of a massive modernisation programme expected to reach nearly $150 billion over the next 25 to 30 years.

from here

Possible solution?

The Cyprus Forum believes that a lasting solution can be found only through a commitment to union. The following ten point peace plan envisions the establishment of a united Cyprus with a government which encourages economic growth and protects the rights and culture of every citizen of the island.

Allow The Turkish Army to remain for five years. The Turkish military forces in Cyprus would be restricted to a military base in Cyprus. This military base will be leased to Turkey for the next five years. A small group of Turkish and Greek army officers will become consultants to the Cypriot Army. That will build trust among all groups involved. A multinational force, comprised of units from the armies of neutral nations would be responsible for peace-keeping functions and ensuring that all provisions of a permanent settlement are implemented.

Establish a Ministry of Turkish-Cypriot Affairs, which would be given a guaranteed budget. The budget would be established at a certain percentage of the gross national product. This guarantees that the majority is not ignoring the minority.

more here

posted on May, 25 2006 @ 06:51 AM

Originally posted by xSMOKING_GUNx

It would also be interesting to hear from anyone who thinks there maybe links to the 23rd and 24th of may incidents that the media is not implicating.

im looking into the connection of the 23rd and 24th of may stuff but nothing as of yet,

posted on May, 25 2006 @ 05:08 PM

Thanks again, I have been scouring the web too but have found nothing to justify my theory.

maybe something will materialise in the next few weeks, or maybe not lol.

Probably just my over active imagination....

posted on May, 27 2006 @ 06:56 PM
Given the Orthodox Christianity in Greece and the Islamic devotion in Turkey it would seem inevitable that the two countries will act as an externalised focal point for religious tensions in Europe and around the planet at this time. Cyprus is only part of the equation - it is also largely about how much Islamic influence "old Europe" is willing to accept into the EU.

History has demonstrated time and again the explosive and unpredictable undercurrents that religious convictions supply to international conflict!

The media control regarding this particular flashpoint suggests that the two sides are still competing to wield the decisive influence that will resolve the issue finally (if that is even possible).

The Kurdish scapegoat is being used again by the Christian and Islamic protagonists!

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