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Internal bombs brought down WTC. Video Tape testimony

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posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 11:35 AM
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Oh my goodness, lookie here:

www.newsday.com...


Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center.

"When the fire started, the room was sealed," said Jones, who was in the command center when explosions rocked the building. "Flames were shooting off the walls....We started putting wet towels under the doors. The Fire Department unsealed the door and grabbed us by the hand and said, 'Run!' "



Now what an odd coincidence. Almost like they knew the 22nd floor was high risk. And to think - the 22nd floor had the computer command center.

It's probably all a coincidence. *
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posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 01:02 PM
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Is it possible that debris from the plane that hit WTC2 was responsible for the fire on the 22nd floor?

What exactly do you mean that it collapsed 10 minutes before? I never saw that in any of the videos.

Did they mean that the ceiling tiles collapsed? Or did an entire floor slab collapse?

[edit on 4-6-2006 by LeftBehind]



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by LeftBehind
Is it possible that debris from the plane that hit WTC2 was responsible for the fire on the 22nd floor?

What exactly do you mean that it collapsed 10 minutes before? I never saw that in any of the videos.

Did they mean that the ceiling tiles collapsed? Or did an entire floor slab collapse?

[edit on 4-6-2006 by LeftBehind]


NIST Report states "Floor Fell"

The debris couldn't come from the plane hitting the WTC 2 tower, because it was reported 1 minute after the plane hit the WTC 1. The plane hadn't hit WTC 2 yet.



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 01:18 PM
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Well it certainly is interesting, but I'm not sure what it has to do with pre planted explosives.

Or is the 22nd floor where they put the thermite?



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 03:38 PM
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posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 08:32 PM
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I'm curious...
If this happens when trucks explode on the outside...




What do you think would happen if something similar...say....an airplane, exploded on the inside?



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I'm curious...
If this happens when trucks explode on the outside...




What do you think would happen if something similar...say....an airplane, exploded on the inside?


That's an 8 story building. Stack about 9 of that building on top of each other and you'll have the distance between the impact zone and the 22nd floor of WTC 1. Stack 12 and you'll get down to the lobby.

So what's your point?



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 06:09 AM
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This comes from a handwritten memo by P.O. Sue Keane #826, dated 3/14/02, www.thememoryhole.org... .

NOTE: In the following portion of her account, PO Keane is in the Mezzanine area of WTC 1


At some point we could hear another plane then a hit, then what sounded like explosions one after another or like a train coming fast, at this point the explosion was loud the area went completely black. I was helping an elderly man at this time and I covered him w/ my body when all of a sudden all the air seemed to get sucked out of your lungs then seconds later a wind that knocked us over came back at us with debris and I don't know what else. Then everything went quiet. The man with me and a NYPD Capt. tried to grab me to leave, but I could see that the guys from the bridge were trapped in the stairwell, something was blocking the door. The guys were OK and things started to clear and we went up to about the sixth floor to see if people were still coming which they were. We continued to help people down the stairwell, I believe at this point we heard Tower Two was hit and so was the Pentagon.

Massive amounts of debris, concrete dust and bodies or parts were more frequent at this point. Then there was an eerie silence and it was like you knew something was going to happen, there just seemed to be one explosion after another. I was separated from the guys from the bridge (GWB) by another explosion, massive again sucking the air out of your lungs and then just a wind more intense this time with larger pieces of debris flying.


Note that it appears she describes explosions on the Mezzanine area prior to WTC 2. Unfortunately, due to Ms. Keane's inability to complete her report (it became too upsetting for her), it does not contain her account of the eventual collapse of WTC 2 - leaving us unable to verify that the above was prior to the collapse.

However, I have found two other responder reports that back that the explosions/collapse Ms. Keane was describing were prior to the collapse of WTC 2. From www.thememoryhole.org... .

In a handwritten memorandum by P.O. J. Hampden #803, dated 11/10/01:


Fred Maley and I including other P.A. officers walked west on Barclay Street then south on West Street and stopped just north of VIP Drive WTC Building #1. There was a body on the ground just prior to entering the building. The glass on the first level was shattered and piled around the perimeter of the building...The I remember asking the battalion chief what the loud noise was (a bang) every few minutes and he stated that it was the people that were jumping out of the windows from the upper floors...

...At the area near the top of the Path escalators I ran into Inspector Norris and I advised him of the situation then he advised me to follow him to the WTC Police desk. I believe we were at the desk approximately 5-10 minutes when the whole place seemed to cave in. You could not see very well my eyes were burning and I had trouble breathing, I thought we were buried alive! I immediately grabbed a scott air pack that was lying next to the police desk and threw it on only to realize that it was missing the mask making it useless. I then had to breathe large amounts of dust choking debris while attempting to evacuate trapped civilians out of the building...We got the people to hold hands and someone with a flashlight led the group out of the building through Borders Books store window...While entering the building I fell down what I believe was the escalators injuring my shoulder, and back tripping over unknown debris.


This would seem to be WTC 2 collapsing that caused this, but it was not. WTC 2 had not collapsed yet.


I later proceeded down Church street and met up with an 85-Frank from Kennedy and together we were washing out peoples eyes and directing them towards firemen and first aid personal as they came out of the cloud with water we obtained off of a fire truck. Then together we did a two-man carry on a very large man who stated that he was having a heart attack, towards an ambulance. During this time we heard a tremulous roar as building #2 started falling down and we ran for our lives...


And then in a typed report by Police Fire Marshal Shield 1483, undated:


I responded...via a police convoy to the World Trade Center. Upon our arrival, at the staging area our rescue team prepared to enter the facility.

As we prepared to locate our equipment, I saw and heard a loud thunder coming in front of us. It was a connecting bridge. Smoke and debris covered the entire area.

As I recall, running for cover the connector collapsed, I sustained significant inhalation of smoke and debris. After running several blocks choking I entered an ambulance where I washed off the debris and was given oxygen.

While resting inside the ambulance I saw the 1st tower collapse and the second.


[edit on 6-5-2006 by Valhall]



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 08:03 AM
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You have voted Valhall for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Excellent detective work Valhall. It's interesting that the 22nd floor had bulletproof windows and fire walls. The account of fire coming from the walls is also interesting. What would thermite look like if it was incased in the walls? Probably like fire shooting out the walls I would imagine. Great find. Keep up the good work Valhall.

I think the reason why threads stop when you post this information is because the official believers have nothing to counter with. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, the fire and collapse of the 22nd floor could not have been from the plane impact. As far as speculating what happened, I will not do. But, the important fact is that this information goes against the official story and that's all we need.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
That's an 8 story building. Stack about 9 of that building on top of each other and you'll have the distance between the impact zone and the 22nd floor of WTC 1. Stack 12 and you'll get down to the lobby.

So what's your point?

My point? I asked a question. If that's what happens when things outside explode, don't you think something similar would happen when something explodes on the inside?
You have an f'in AIRPLANE crashing into a building! Do you honestly think that the damage would just be contained to a few floors? No, that's ridiculous. First you have the initial impact which caused 1. an explosion. Now what do you think happend to all the energy released in that explosion? 2. The force of the impact also cause a sonic boom. Have you ever heard one or been around one? If not....ask someone who has about what happens. 3. Once the explosion or fires resulting from the explosion comes in contact with other things that can explode, what do you think is going to happen? And what do you think it's going to sound like?

I'm not sure why you quoted the NIST. ALL the things you quoted are a direct result of a passenger jet crashing into the building. Nothing you quoted comes even close to suggesting there were explosions due to explosives.

"But...but there was smoke below the "30s" floors."
*WOW* REALLY!? Oh that must prove there were explosives then!!
lmao!



Why are you so focused on the 22nd floor?
I'm absolutely positive that other floors or other sections of floors also collapsed prior to the whole building coming down, they just didn't have people there reporting it. Why would this point to some conspiricy? Again, a PLANE just crashed into the building releasing more energy inside than most building can take. This has been mentioned before but there's a book called 102 minutes, please read.




Now what an odd coincidence. Almost like they knew the 22nd floor was high risk. And to think - the 22nd floor had the computer command center.

Wha?
The reason why they did all that was BECAUSE it had a computer command center. Of course it's a higher risk than all the other floors without one. I'm not sure what the point is....


NIST Report states "Floor Fell"

The debris couldn't come from the plane hitting the WTC 2 tower, because it was reported 1 minute after the plane hit the WTC 1. The plane hadn't hit WTC 2 yet.

According to your timeline that report that the floor fell came in at 10:19:56, well after the second plane hit (and yet another sonic boom affected the first building).

There was a report of fires on the 22nd floor (as well as MANY others) because people were there reporting it.


As is typical, whatreallyhappened.com ALWAYS rocks...

Oops. There goes your credibility



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 09:56 AM
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I think you are missing the point TJW. Your examples of a truck explosion on the outside is after the building came crushing down because of the explosion. No part of the WTC started crushing down because of the explosion of the plane. If it had, the buildings would have fallen instantly...i.e when the explosion occured.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Griff
Your examples of a truck explosion on the outside is after the building came crushing down because of the explosion. No part of the WTC started crushing down because of the explosion of the plane. If it had, the buildings would have fallen instantly...i.e when the explosion occured.

My point was to show the damage a truck can cause when it's exploded on the outside of a building. If a similar explosion happens on the inside of a building what do you think will occur?



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

You have an f'in AIRPLANE crashing into a building! Do you honestly think that the damage would just be contained to a few floors? No, that's ridiculous. First you have the initial impact which caused 1. an explosion. Now what do you think happend to all the energy released in that explosion? 2. The force of the impact also cause a sonic boom. Have you ever heard one or been around one? If not....ask someone who has about what happens. 3. Once the explosion or fires resulting from the explosion comes in contact with other things that can explode, what do you think is going to happen? And what do you think it's going to sound like?



Ahh.. for one, the building itself absorbed the initial impact but yes to the fact that the initial impact zone was damaged but not phenominally.

TJW, do you even, offhand, know what a sonic boom is and how it's created? You seem to be so strong with that with your comments.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Griff
Your examples of a truck explosion on the outside is after the building came crushing down because of the explosion. No part of the WTC started crushing down because of the explosion of the plane. If it had, the buildings would have fallen instantly...i.e when the explosion occured.

My point was to show the damage a truck can cause when it's exploded on the outside of a building. If a similar explosion happens on the inside of a building what do you think will occur?


A kerosene fireball is NOT anything like an ammonium-nitrate truck bomb...

The jet fuel "explosion" did not even pack enough punch to blow out the windows on the WTC towers. It was like throwing a lit pail of fuel oil around.

Ammonium-nitrate creates a much more violent and faster reaction producing an actual explosion.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Do you honestly think that the damage would just be contained to a few floors? No, that's ridiculous. First you have the initial impact which caused 1. an explosion. Now what do you think happend to all the energy released in that explosion? 2. The force of the impact also cause a sonic boom. Have you ever heard one or been around one? If not....ask someone who has about what happens. 3. Once the explosion or fires resulting from the explosion comes in contact with other things that can explode, what do you think is going to happen? And what do you think it's going to sound like?


1. Yes, the damage would have been contained and WAS as proven by the fact that the windows were intact (i.e. no explosion, just a big fireball).

2. What does this have to do with anything?

3. What other things were in the towers that could have exploded? NOTHING, the towers were HIGHLY regulated even the kitchens had strict rules prohibiting pressurized gas canisters and flammable liquids. So, what was explosive?



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

There was a report of fires on the 22nd floor (as well as MANY others) because people were there reporting it.


Can you explain how these fires started? Couldn't be from the planes or fuel. So, how did these fires start?

If the 22nd floor had bullet proof glass, how could shrapnell from the planes break it? I'm sure a bullet has alot more force than shrapnell. Also, a bullet has alot of force applied to a small area. Shrapnell on the other hand may have the same force but unfortunately doesn't have the advantage as a bullet would because of the bigger size.

The 22nd floor also was not connected to the upper floors by way of elevator. So, there goes the idea of fuel doing this.

I can hear it now. "But, if the people who were trapped could have broken free with a squeegee, then the fireball could have broken through". Maybe, but you have to remember that gypsum is also a fire retardent. Also, if the gypsum board was so brittle, why didn't we hear of people falling through these thin gypsum walls before? You would think that in the 30 or so years of opperation that someone would have slipped and fallen straight through these flimsy gypsum board walls?



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why would this point to some conspiricy?


Where did I say anything about a conspiracy? Why would explosives else where in the building make a conspiracy? I'm not understanding. Please explain.




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