Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by Christophera
Questions about your concern for our rights under our Constitution do not constitute an ad-hominem attack. Your inabilty to address the compromises to our rights and freedoms does far more damage to you than anything I've said. Show how your refusal to deal rationally with available information protects our Constitution.

Er Ok, whatever you say, Chris. BTW, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

I asked first. Support the tower core you assert stood.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but is English your native language? Seriously, I have a hard time understanding what you are trying to say sometimes.

Why do no steel columns protrude from the center area of the core of WTC 2? Your attempt to evade this question by stating that this picture is inadequate in not reasonable. Silhouetted vertical elements would be visible in it if they existed.

Maybe, maybe not. You are laboring under the false impression that the core framing was self supporting. It was not. There was no lateral bracing for the core columns, thus they would not have been able to stand without the surrounding floor diaphragms to stabilize them.

Now my question.

Also, why are no steel columns seen piercing the stairs, why are none seen to the right of the stairs where elevators were?

Please define what you mean by “piercing the stairs.”

Where are the stairs in that photo?

What core framing?

You feign confusion to enable selectivity not logical and attempt through cognitive distortions to create emotional reasoning in the viewer. You are acting as a disinformation agent.

Let me try to inspire a little emotional reasoning with the reality of what you work to hide and ignore with your irresponsible ridicule.

There are children out there who do not know if the mother or father they lost who worked in WTC over impact, died from injuries, smoke or fire or like hamburger in the demolition or as a jumper.

There are fire fighters that mourn their devoted friends lost who were denied due process. They and ground zero workers are dying from cancer contracted in an atmospheric toxic soup.

Tell us a little about your love for our rights and freedom and how you expect your actions here to protect them and our futures.

WOW, talk about obfustication, Chris, you just took the prize.

Are you going to address the subject at all, or are you going to keep trying to divert the subject?

Originally posted by blatantblue
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seriously. the guy keeps bringing up rights and freedoms.

"Why are you trying to hide the way Americans were murdered? Do the rights and freedoms of Americans mean anything to you? Only truth will protect them."

"Questions about your concern for our rights under our Constitution do not constitute an ad-hominem attack. Your inabilty to address the compromises to our rights and freedoms does far more damage to you than anything I've said. Show how your refusal to deal rationally with available information protects our Constitution."

Clearly Christophera was refering to American rights being violated when their own Government attacked them or allowed them to be attacked. He's not talking about Cindy sheehan, or songs that ridicule Bush. The title of this thread reads 'The Big FEMA Lie, The Towers Had A Concrete Core: PROOF'. This might give you an indication as to what he was getting at. This isn't a police state thread, or a recent OP/ED by SkepticOverlord.

Originally posted by blatantblue
written throughout the past two pages in this thread. he keeps asking this to howard rowark, so i decided to address it myself. problem? [Content removed]

I can read, thank you kindly.

Originally posted by blatantblue
if people dont want this stuff to be brought up, Communication Master, then he shouldnt keep bringing up our rights and freedoms to howard rowark. ive only addressed what was brought up

No, you've addressed what you thought was brought up, which was pretty much wrong.

Originally posted by blatantblue
and blatantmoo?

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Alright, calm down now. There's no need to get quite so upset. Initially, I had thought you had posted in the wrong thread, and was only trying to help
I know now that you were just confused.

P.S. Isn't it annoying when people try to play Mod?









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Anyway, back to the subject. Chris, I’d like to discuss these 17 foot thick walls with you. Since the whole of the core area was taken up by elevator shafts, utility shafts, toilets and stairwells, where exactly did they hide these 17 foot thick walls? Were the walls tapered on the inside or the outside of the core, or were they evenly tapered on both sides?

Originally posted by Christophera
Now my question.

Also, why are no steel columns seen piercing the stairs, why are none seen to the right of the stairs where elevators were?

Please define what you mean by “piercing the stairs.”

Where are the stairs in that photo?

Answer the questions, and I'll answer yours.

[edit on 24-5-2006 by HowardRoark]

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by Christophera
Now my question.

Also, why are no steel columns seen piercing the stairs, why are none seen to the right of the stairs where elevators were?

Please define what you mean by “piercing the stairs.”

Where are the stairs in that photo?

Answer the questions, and I'll answer yours.

[edit on 24-5-2006 by HowardRoark]

Originally posted by Christophera

So, you are saying that people had to walk through some kind of corridor back 17 feet to get to the elevator? Because we all know that the elevators shafts wouldn't be tappered also. Either that or they had to walk through a 17 foot concrete wall? Anyone been there? Did you have to walk through a 17 foot corridor or wall?

Originally posted by Christophera
Stairwell On Right - Piercing Means "Penetrating"

1) I don't see anything that I can identify as a stairwell.

2) Why do you think a steel column would or wouldn't penetrate the stairwell area during a collapse?

It is apparent that that photograph was taken after considerable debris removal had already taken place. How can anyone make any meaningfull inferences from that?

Howie, you need to answer my question NOW.

If you do not understand the image or the language, stop trying to deny what is obvious.

NOW, answer my question.



Why are no steel core columns seen in the core area. Your answer must be consistent and detailed with the technologies that might explain the abcense.