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posted on May, 19 2006 @ 06:18 PM
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May 1, 2005
May 1, 2005
Australia
Name Redacted

I am not clear if you are able to answer a question, in confidence? I serve on a board of an otherwise Christian ministry where I recently learned that one of the other board members has become a 33rd degree freemason within the past year. He is actually now serving as both Treasurer and the interim director of this organization. Recently, we also created a new position of human resources (HR) director to start to set up a fair system of competition for jobs in this somewhat large organization. The 33rd degree board member promptly filled it with his hand pick. Now, we were recently sent a resume of a person to fill the position of Career Specialist, again a hand pick, supposedly of the new HR director.

Here is my question: At the bottom of the man's resume he lists "interests" including the usual: travel, reading cinema... then there is a curious interest: "Guiding Light". This may or may not be a reference to the popular American "soap opera", but learning, from your website, how Masons seem to help each other "up the ladder" in the business world, I was wondering if you ever heard of this phrase being used in a resume as a "code", from one Mason to another, to help the hiring Mason know they have a brother Mason as an applicant? I know it is the name of several Masonic Lodges in the US.

I just came upon your website and find it to be very interesting. Thank you for your time on this matter.









11-15-2004
U.S.A.
hoghungry1

I belong to an AFL-CIO construction local and you would be shocked at the ring clicking that goes on with regard to long term big money jobs and foremen appointments. I contacted the NLRB about the issue and made them release a list of all the Masons in our local. They were FURIOUS (against their rules to identify) but I had the full weight of the US Guvmint behind me and they had to cough it up. Needless to say I spent several years after that working in Detroit, Toledo, New York, Fort Wayne,....Get the picture? Our Business Agent is the Grand Master of the local Lodge. My father was a high Mason (33rd)and they felt I betrayed them. I just feel everyone should get a fair shake. These organizations within organizations will be the demise of the original intent of some good well meaning people that fought hard for human rights and dignity in the name of organized labor. I always say "if you can't do a thing you must get a ring". LOTS of cops are Masons and almost ALL state police FYI




May 6, 2005
U.S.A.
M

You guys need to look at freemasonry and how it's taking over the UAW. Gxttxlfxngxr may be a Catholic but his top people (Pxxl Qxxck, Jxhn Hxntxr, Dxvx Pxckxtt, Dxvx Cxrszxn, Whxtxy Stxvxns, etc.) are all known Masons. They have driven out many Catholics. We just had our union elections and the only people who get elected now are people with known Masonic connections.




18-5-2005
U.S.A.
Mod

I met a mason who bragged that the nifty masonic emblems on the rear of his car got him out of some speeding tickets. Perhaps the divine knowledge inscribed on the pillar uncovered by Hermes Trismegistus taught him to disregard traffic safety laws.

I also knew an Arab mason in San Fransisco, a sucessful entrepeneur who owned a small business in a poor, mostly black & Latino neighborhood, a "petit capitalist" as Marx would say. He didn't deny that masons were running the United States, in fact his confidence that they did is why he was a mason, he hoped it would be his ticket to sit at the same table with the anglo-american ruling elite. He bragged that white Masonic lodges accepted Arabs, but not blacks.



all letters gathered from here




posted on May, 19 2006 @ 06:20 PM
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something else I read on the site that makes alot of sense




The Smoke of Satan

What Satan seeks is a negation of worship and any thought of a higher purpose or higher power other than the here and now, i.e. 'naturalism'. According to the Satanic scheme of things there can be no objective truth, everything is merely 'relative'. The purpose of Satanic Rituals is a mocking of religion, that is why they are usually based on a reversal of normative religious rituals and rites. Therefore by closely scrutinizing occult rituals and teachings, the presence of reversals and mockeries, sometimes of a very nuanced nature, which would have required the 'creator' to have had a deep theological understanding, can often be detected - by trained theologians. As often many of the initiates have little or no theological understanding or training the satanic 'humour' is all the greater as the candidate has no idea what he has just participated in. In the case of much of the Ritual Degree 'work' and writings in many Masonic Orders, especially the 'higher' degrees, the presence of this 'upsidedownness' has been confirmed after intensive investigations by many Christian Churchs. Essentially the purpose of all occult initiations and rituals is to 'open the door' to familiar possession, thus gaining demoniacal 'sight' and 'light' for the occult initiate, while Satan in his turn gains another 'tool' that he can use to 'craft' the organization of human society according to his 'new order'.



freemasonrywatch.org



posted on May, 19 2006 @ 06:24 PM
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I'll post this here and have to assume that if you don't heed what is said here you are ignoring a staff member on purpose.

Look up to the top right of your screen, it says you have X# of u2u's. That's private communications. Click on it.



posted on May, 19 2006 @ 06:35 PM
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man give me time to figure it out its hard to see in white on a light grey background your responded to
have a look please so you dont need to ban me!



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:25 AM
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I believe that what many don't consider, (I am not approving/disapproving your query)
is that what masonry IS and people who ARE masons are not necessarily the same thing.
For example: There are countless Christians in the world but each one of them has their own view, interactions and beliefs surrounding their denomination of faith. In other words, they all practice the same faith but in as many different ways as there are individuals who do so.

Masonry is a fixed system but its members are not (as each one is an individual). To judge a system based on the outcomes of its variable components is madness. I only say this because I could rationalize that smoking for example is great and despite the truth it is not, if I believed enough. Or that ship sails are triangular so they must be masonic. People tend to overanalyze and speculate on masonry all the time.

Maybe there IS truth to what you say, but what does it mean to you? Why do you focus on such a thing with enough motivation to speak about it? THAT is maybe the question you should ask yourself. Art is art but what an individual does with art is up to them, thus I conclude with this food for thought:

It is my impression that masonry, TRUE masonry is not the pursuit of a hierarchal position within the order, but a spiritually motivated journey with the degrees being more like grades of achievement like in public school. You meet the requirements of education in a grade and the following year move onto the next. A person in junior high that passes say the tenth grade, moving onto the eleventh is not better than nor more important than tenth graders the following year. Nor do they have any control over the lower grade students. Anyway thats my two bits.
Peace.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 11:27 AM
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I talk about this stuff because no one gets my point!
The Freemasons began as members of craft guilds who united into lodges in England in the early 1700's. They stressed religious tolerance, the equality of their male peers, and the themes of classic liberalism and the Enlightenment. Today they are a worldwide fraternal order that still educates its members about philosophical ideas, and engages in harmless rituals, but also offers networking for business and political leaders, and carries out charitable activities.

But in all reality they are a cult.
Freemasonry is a pagan cult that pretends to embrace all religions in order to negate them all. It says there is no God but man. Man not God is the measure of all things.
Why wear a apron with hidden meaning behind it?
Why use symbolism so much in their work?my post on symbols
Why be initiated into the secret mysteries?
why have cult like ceremony's?
Why are you under of a oath of secrecy, punished by death?
Why have a 33 degree ceremony in washing DC where you have to choose from which path you will lead your life through.
The path of God. wide openness with yourself and others
Or the path of man(lucifer) the secret path of the mysteries the path of leading 2 seperate lives?
And from reading this book(Jim Shaws book The Deadly Deception, pp. 99 - 109) and from this website clip of the book
A Freemasons 33 degree initiation

And I do realize people have their very own thoughts and ideas and most masons are GOOD people, I am not saying that they are all evil people.
But as I said in another post. The vast majority of Freemasons worldwide never procede past the 3rd degree, or Blue Degrees (1st, 2nd or 3rd). The first three degrees are referred to
as Symbolic Masonry.

Therefore the majority of Freemasons never know what kind of organization
they are really apart of.



[edit on 20-5-2006 by seridium]



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 05:05 PM
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If you had never tasted ice cream but were told, thought of, speculated about, or were enlightened to its existence, how would you know (as to authoritatively speak upon it) what it tasted like? What if it were described to you by someone who liked it? What if it were described to you by someone who did not? What about variations of it? Who do you believe? The one who liked it or the one who did not? Without experiencing it firsthand how could you truthfully assess ice cream? Now with two opinions on it, what if another, a third person, asked you about ice cream (still having not tasted it)? Would you say: "One person told me it was good, another told me it was not." Would that answer their question? Would you recommend it not knowing it was either good or bad? Would you condemn it likewise?

All I am saying is that SO MANY speculate on things and even form opinions that can dangerously lead to fundamental belief while still unaware of the broader scope or scale of that belief. What you think or believe is for you, and while I agree that in masonry there may be bad apples, (no pun intended) and there may be individuals who do not have others' best interests in mind, the same can be be said about human nature in general. Does one hate science because they dislike their science teacher?

If masonry generates a bad 'gut feeling' go with that, it may not be for you. But to speculate on an entire organization over such a long period of history with so many members, aspects and components....seems, well futile. You inspire an interesting point of speculation as to what it may or may not be, but can you honestly ever really know? What answer would satisfy your query?



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 05:34 PM
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Instead of always making excuses for freemasonry and attacking people that criticize it how about dealing with the issues for once?

I am of the impression that masonry takes care of its own at the exclusion of others... so am I the bad guy here too?

Let us also remember the oaths and rituals of masons and how they are SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER than the rest of us.

if a 33 degree mason is up to no good then there is a serious problem here IMHO and making excuses that buddy is just an individual doing what he wants away from the temple does not cut it with me...

buddy should never have become 33 degree in first place then.

Lastly, a lot of these mason threads seem to devolve into the same kind of environment as the 911 threads do for some strange reason, official story vs the truth or beliefs that people are trying to get out.

Why should I believe any 'official story' what right does anybody have to believe that people will tell the truth about any failings they may have or see in the organizations that they belong to?



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:04 PM
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Why should I believe any 'official story' what right does anybody have to believe that people will tell the truth about any failings they may have or see in the organizations that they belong to?


Believe what you will. If you're quite certain that there's more going on than meets the eye, the last people you're going to consider credible are those that are on the inside at whatever level. Denial becomes self-fulfilling 'proof' of conspiracy of silence. Nothing I've read on ATS is the "official story" simply because AKAIK, nobody on ATS is Grand Lodge ergo not in a position to be filtering out the "official story".

I can protest all I want but from your POV, being on the inside, I'm part of the problem.

Rotsa ruck finding out the 'truth'!



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 09:50 PM
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Im not speculating on nothing I see how the pieces fit im not ignorant to common sense.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 06:29 AM
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So you are a mason then? You are authorized to make statements about them in KNOWING?
How are you not speculating unless you yourself are a member? I guess from now on we should all look to you for all we may want to know about them? C'mon, tone down the know it all attitude. I am trying desparately not to be rude nd trying to be plainly logical. If you know as much as you claim then you know that all the 'order' (from chaos) we call modern civilization, is a result of masonic influence. Everything from company logos to streets (which lay about the earth like circuits in a computer chip) was built upon the same foundation.

Millenia ago, when barbarians swarmed the earth and humana exhibited no stable, organized society, intellectuals and artisans alike formatted a systemic method of politics science and social responsibilty called masonrye.

I will not argue over this point. I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe that is called democracy. I will say for the record though, who really cares!? Do you believe that your individual concepts of masonry matter? Can you change, prove or disprove any of your ideas about it? To what end?



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 09:59 AM
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I guess I feel A need to tell the truth about certain issues at hand in this time in our lifes.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 05:09 PM
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We all seek truths and it IS speculation to an individual unless they can prove with some truth the accuracy of their claims. Look up speculation, it is basically an observed opinion instantly made by the observer and this applies to any phenomena, action or form we observe in an observable universe. I agree that people help their friends. Do not church members who attend the same church develop bonds and friendship? Do people not feel an obligation to family and friends?

All I was trying to say is that the very people you see the most in life or share kinship with are the people you interact with regularly the most. So to apply one's total ideas or concepts in a subject like freemasonry to an actual individual in the real world is a little unjust is it not? That would be like meeting a christian and judging them off the bat before you even know them with all you know or think you know about christianity. That's all I meant in my statements, it just took me a while to get the words out, LOL. Peace.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 08:48 PM
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White masonic lodges dont accept blacks? thats a new one to me.

In the army, there was a local Masonic lodge that had whites and blacks in pretty decent numbers. They even had a black Grand Master. because it was comprised of army and air force people, who changed duty stations alot, the leadership changed alot. But in my unit, Masons didnt treat non masons any different, and i was actually surprised to discover just who were masons and such.

What cracks me up are all these claims from people claiming to either have parents who were 33rd degree masons, or whose boss or whoever are all 33rd degree masons. God, youd think the lodges give away the 33rd degree like its candy! i cant believe how many 33rd degree masons are supposedly running around. What utter crap.


My uncle was a sherrif, and he wasn't a Mason, nor were any of his friends. And the claim that all state troopers are Masons is funny. I only know one who was. the rest were not.

If we are attacking the issues here, then let me attack the biggest issue I see here: taking something that some yahoo posted on his website as gospel truth instead of using more critical judgement. A couple letters supposedly coming from people claiming to get screwed by some masonic conspiracy does not proof make. What I find amusing is that most of these letters have no names on them. or anything else to trace them.

In real life, i am yet to meet anyone who has been antagonized or screwed over by Masons. Ive known people who believe aliens are abducting them, people who bgelieve the CIA is out to get them, people who have seen ghosts, been harrassed by demons, commune with fairies, see santa claus, believe there is a jewish conspiracy out to destroy the white race, but I am yet to meet one person in real life who believes Masons are out to get them.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by seridium
Im not speculating on nothing I see how the pieces fit im not ignorant to common sense.


Maybe not (but likely so), however you do seem to be ignorant to proper grammar.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 12:29 AM
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How can one discuss common sense and Freemasonrywatch in the same breath?

Any actual truth that those guys might have on their site is obscured by the torrents of lies and childish, hysterical paranoia that are prevalent. It is a debacle, and an insult to anyone who actually wants to research the subject matter.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 09:40 AM
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From First Letter




I serve on a board of an otherwise Christian ministry where I recently learned that one of the other board members has become a 33rd degree freemason within the past year. He is actually now serving as both Treasurer and the interim director of this organization. Recently, we also created a new position of human resources (HR) director to start to set up a fair system of competition for jobs in this somewhat large organization. The 33rd degree board member promptly filled it with his hand pick. Now, we were recently sent a resume of a person to fill the position of Career Specialist, again a hand pick, supposedly of the new HR director.


So? Isn't the Human Resource Director supposed to fill vacant positions and give recommendations? How does a guy doing his job equate to the letter writer getting "screwd"?

From Second Letter



I belong to an AFL-CIO construction local and you would be shocked at the ring clicking that goes on with regard to long term big money jobs and foremen appointments. I contacted the NLRB about the issue and made them release a list of all the Masons in our local. They were FURIOUS (against their rules to identify) but I had the full weight of the US Guvmint behind me and they had to cough it up.


Since when does the NLRB have a list of Masonic members? Since when does the "US Govmint" have the authority to demand private fraternal organizations make public any of their records? I suggest this little story is fictitious.

From Third Letter




You guys need to look at freemasonry and how it's taking over the UAW. Gxttxlfxngxr may be a Catholic but his top people (Pxxl Qxxck, Jxhn Hxntxr, Dxvx Pxckxtt, Dxvx Cxrszxn, Whxtxy Stxvxns, etc.) are all known Masons. They have driven out many Catholics. We just had our union elections and the only people who get elected now are people with known Masonic connections.


I think the key word here is "elected". These people were elected, so obviously it's what the majority wanted. This one guy doesn't like it, so he goes whining to Freemasonry Watch. All I can say to that is "too bad".

From Last Letter




I also knew an Arab mason in San Fransisco, a sucessful entrepeneur who owned a small business in a poor, mostly black & Latino neighborhood, a "petit capitalist" as Marx would say.


Wow. A Communist who doesn't like Masonry, but likes Freemasonry Watch. Who woulda thunk it?



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