Iranian Law May Require Non-Muslims to Wear Badges (Source Retracted)

Originally posted by Jamuhn
"Some truth"? That is a very vague statement. The bulk of the article you cited earlier talks about putting badges on Jews and other religious minorities, yet nothing in those articles or in reality about the situation has to do with putting badges on Jews, Muadibb.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for introduction of a "dress code" in line with Iran's national and Islamic identification and culture.

He said that the new outfit should have a variety of forms and colors and must be economical.

The dress code which was a thing of the past, included badges to differentiate people according to their religious preference... This dress code and the badges of colors was banned only after the Iranian Revolution, in the 19th century, but now it seems that the regime of Iran wants to bring back the dress code.


[edit on 21-5-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
This dress code and the badges of colors was banned only after the Islamic Revolution, in the 19th century, but now it seems that the regime of Iran wants to bring back the dress code.

I don't think you understand Muadibb, Iran already has a dress code, that explicitly has to do with forms and colors, for everyone. They are talking about making it more strict, apparently since it has become lax. This is very, very different from putting yellow badges on Jews.

Despite the decree of many of Iran's top clerics such as Ayatollah Taleghani, the state, under the rule of Ayatollah Khomeini made wearing the Hijab mandatory for all women, implementing strict religious codes for women in society. However, revolution brought many low and middle class women into public sphere. For many years, breaking the barrier of confinement of the private sphere has been a major source of frustration for advocates of women's rights in Iran. The Islamic revolution broke the barrier overnight.

en.wikipedia.org...


[edit on 21-5-2006 by Jamuhn]

I should have said, "enforce once more the dress code". And as I excerpted already several times the Iranian president wants different colors as it was the custom. The custom was that the different religious minorities were differentiated by different colors, althou in the past they used badges of colors.

The dress code is being enforced again, and anything that is viewed as not being traditional Islamic custom is being punished with fines and jail time.

[edit on 21-5-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by MuaddibThe custom was that the different religious minorities were differentiated by different colors, althou in the past they used badges of colors.

Do you have any sources that this is what they are in fact doing in the pressent?

Sam Kermanian, of the U.S.-based Iranian-American Jewish Federation, said in an interview from Los Angeles that he had contacted members of the Jewish community in Iran -- including the lone Jewish member of the Iranian parliament.

They denied any such measure was in place.

Mr. Kermanian said the subject of "what to do with religious minorities" came up during debates leading up to the passing of the dress code law.

"It is possible that some ideas might have been thrown around," he said.

"But to the best of my knowledge the final version of the law does not demand any identifying marks by the religious minority groups."

Iranian embassy denies dress code

[edit on 21-5-2006 by Jamuhn]

I think the main thing the religous rulers are trying to prevent is the fall into sexual depravity and huge pornographic industries which plague the Western nations. Many families in the US and Europe are being hurt by porn addicted parents, which is a result of the sexual freedom we have. I mean whats worse? Having a woman degraded in pornography and raunchy advertising, or conservative attire that would help prevent that as well as add more respect to the woman.

Face it guys, most of us see a busty chick and the only thing we think is "sex sex sex!!!" Forget the fact that she may have a family or hold a serious and important job. She is merely a sexual tool for your mind.

I think The Islamic Rulers want to try and prevent that kind of thing from happening. After all it sure helps them from an army of teenage pregnancies and sexual activity in children.

Originally posted by Muaddib
The dress code is being enforced again, and anything that is viewed as not being traditional Islamic custom is being punished with fines and jail time.

I would be interested in seing a source for this. Or are you actually witnessing this?

BTW, it seems that the Canadian post retracted the part about "color badges" yet, they posted a revised version of the original article.

www.canada.com...

Again, was the "color badges" a misrepresentation of the "colors which are going to be adopted once more according to the Islamic traditional dress code"?, which is referenced in many other sources, or was it a rumor? It could very well have been also an exageration. We don't know for certain.

What we do know for certain is that the dress code is being enforced once again, despite some members trying to deny this, and there is going to be "different colors according to the traditional Iranian dress code"... Up and until the Iranian Revolution, in the 19th century, the traditional color dress code was badges in different colors which differentiated the religious beliefs of the Iranian people.

Do we know for certain what is rumor, what is exageration and what is a lie?

I think we will have to wait and see which is which.

[edit on 21-5-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by darkelf

I would be interested in seing a source for this. Or are you actually witnessing this?

... I gave twice several sources which confirms this....go back a page and you will see them...

Originally posted by Jamuhn
Do you have any sources that this is what they are in fact doing in the pressent?

I gave excerpts and a link to a couple of sources which state that the Iranian president is asking for different colors for the dress code as it was in the traditional Islamic dress code...

Again, let me give an excerpt to that part.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for introduction of a "dress code" in line with Iran's national and Islamic identification and culture.

He said that the new outfit should have a variety of forms and colors and must be economical.

en.ce.cn...

"a dress code which includes colors in line with Iran's national and Islamic identification and culture"....

[edit on 21-5-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
"a dress code which includes colors in line with Iran's national and Islamic identification and culture"....

Now you are stressing Muadibb. Iran calls themselves the Islamic Republic of Iran, of course they are going to identify themselves as Islamic. Once again, your article states NOTHING AT ALL about giving different colors to religious minorities....NOTHING. The colors you are talking about have been in existence since the beginning of the Islamic revolution when the Ayatollah & Co. required only Black, Brown, and Navy Blue (I believe) as appropriate colors for dress. Then, in the past couple years, they allowed more color to flourish. Perhaps, once again, they are trying to restrict the dress code.

But, to reiterate, your article states NOTHING AT ALL about imposing an identifying dress code for religious minorities. Even the Jewish PM in the Iranian parliament denied this story.

Originally posted by Jamuhn

Now you are stressing Muadibb. Iran calls themselves the Islamic Republic of Iran, of course they are going to identify themselves as Islamic.
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Again Jamuhn...Could you tell us what was the traditional Islamic identification dress code with different colors?

The same one which was dropped after the Iranian Revolution but the Iranian regime started picking up once again and has now made "a new law"?.... unless Khatami rejects it.

Not to mention that once again the dress code is being enforced and people are being fined and arrested...


[edit on 21-5-2006 by Muaddib]

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[edit on 21-5-2006 by Muaddib]

Iran's parliament approves "national dress" bill
Last Updated(Beijing Time):2006-05-16 14:28

Iran's Majlis (parliament) has adopted a "national dress" bill in a bid to boycott current Western-style fashion trend, local press reported on Monday.
The bill was approved on Sunday with 137 votes in favor, 45 against and 11 abstentions. It has to be finalized by the Guardian Council before coming into effect.

The bill was approved not too long ago Jamuhn....

Originally posted by MuaddibThe bill was approved not too long ago Jamuhn....

Once again, what does this have to do with badges on Jews? Nothing.... I know you would like to change the direction of this thread, but the fact of the matter is that the Iranian parliament was passing a law for appropriate dress for Muslims with no mention of religious minorities.

Again Jamuhn...Could you tell us what was the traditional Islamic identification dress code with different colors?

There is no "identification" dress code separate from what the Iranian leaders believe Muslims should wear to be modest Muslims. If you can show any proof of a specific dress for religious minorities, then bring it forth. Otherwise, you are just playing semantics and you know it.

[edit on 21-5-2006 by Jamuhn]

Originally posted by Jamuhn

Once again, what does this have to do with badges on Jews? Nothing.... I know you would like to change the direction of this thread, but the fact of the matter is that the Iranian parliament was passing a law for appropriate dress for Muslims with no mention of religious minorities.

Are you out of your mind or do you like to play dumb?

How many times do i have to mention the retraction about the badges?.... The whole thing was not made up, there is evidence from several sources, which i have posted time and again, which verify what I have stated... yet you want to dismiss this...

BTW, nice try to now claim that the law applies only to Muslims... Learn to read Jamuhn... It clearly states the law is for all Iranians, Muslim and non-Muslims...

Originally posted by Jamuhn
There is no "identification" dress code separate from what the Iranian leaders believe Muslims should wear to be modest Muslims. If you can show any proof of a specific dress for religious minorities, then bring it forth. Otherwise, you are just playing semantics and you know it.

Oh right...you mean the same semantics being used to arrest and fine Iranian people who do not follow the dress code?....

Originally posted by MuaddibBTW, nice try to now claim that the law applies only to Muslims... Learn to read Jamuhn... It clearly states the law is for all Iranians, Muslim and non-Muslims...

Point out that direct quote Muadibb.

How many times do i have to mention the retraction about the badges?.... The whole thing was not made up, there is evidence from several sources, which i have posted time and again, which verify what I have stated... yet you want to dismiss this...

Look, there are no badges being put on Jews in Iran. Get it?

Jewish MP denies Iran badge plan

This urban legend was denied by Iranian parliamentarians including the Jewish member of the Iranian parliament, Maurice Motamed.

en.wikinews.org...&_Catholics_to_wear_special_badges

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Even the title of this thread contains "Source Retracted". Get over it.

[edit on 21-5-2006 by Jamuhn]

Originally posted by Jamuhn

Point out that direct quote Muadibb.

Point out where it says that this is only done to Muslims.... I'll put the whole texts from the links and then tell us that "this is only for Muslims"....

Iran's parliament approves "national dress" bill
Last Updated(Beijing Time):2006-05-16 14:28

Iran's Majlis (parliament) has adopted a "national dress" bill in a bid to boycott current Western-style fashion trend, local press reported on Monday.
The bill was approved on Sunday with 137 votes in favor, 45 against and 11 abstentions. It has to be finalized by the Guardian Council before coming into effect.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for introduction of a "dress code" in line with Iran's national and Islamic identification and culture.

He said that the new outfit should have a variety of forms and colors and must be economical.

It is still unclear how exactly the national outfit is supposed to look like.

The Ministry of Culture and Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) will have the primary responsibility of promoting the required dress and prevent Western-style fashion that are against Islamic teachings.

en.ce.cn...

Originally posted by Jamuhn
Look, there are no badges being put on Jews in Iran. Get it?

And you keep going on with the badges... Dude.....yes the badge part was retracted....How many times do i have to mention it?....... I never said it was not retracted....

The part that was not retracted, and several sources keep backing up, which you are trying to conceal by bringing up the badges over and over..., is that this is a new bill, a law which is being enforced and by which the same Iranian president has stated that this is an "introduction of a "dress code" in line with Iran's national and Islamic identification and culture.....

The bill is for all of Iran...not just Muslims... In Iran different religious and etchnic minorities are living under the rule of the Islamic Iranian regime...

But I guess you are going to try to tell us now how good the Iranian regime is...

Oh yes, I forgot there is one Jewish member in the Iranian parliament who says all this is a lie...like people in the past have not sold their own people when trying to survive, trying to keep their jobs meanwhile working for a dictatorship....

Here is another article which clearly shows this is not "just for Muslims" like Jamuhn wants to claim...

Middle East News

Iranian parliament approves draft bill for 'national dress code'


Tehran - The Iranian parliament approved on Sunday the generalities of the 'national dress code' bill which is supposed to replace current Western-style fashions, state news television IRIB reported.

According to the draft bill, which is yet to be finalized and reconfirmed by the senate-like Guardian Council, facilities should be prepared for local designers and tailors to focus on outfits in line with 'Iran's national and Islamic identification and culture.'

The form of the new outfit is to be specified by a joint committee which includes the ministries of culture and commerce, the cultural commission of the parliament and the state television and eventually finalized by local designers and tailors.

While the Commerce Ministry was ordered to put higher charges on import of foreign cloth, the Iranian banks would be obliged to approve credit facilities for local designers and tailors.
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had last week called for introduction of an 'Iranian dress code' for men and women alike.

news.monstersandcritics.com...

I wonder what "national dress code means"?.... I am pretty sure Jamuhn will now try to claim that national means only for Muslims...right Jamunh?...

[edit on 22-5-2006 by Muaddib]

Muaddib, Iranians are conforming that the national dress code will only be for Muslims. And I already posted a link to the pictures of the dresses that will be introduced.
We can only wait and see how this plays out AFTER the law is passed, since it has not yet. No point speculating. Lets just wait.

Do you remember that "Bible Belt" state that wanted to pass into law a bill banning midriff baring shirts and jeans meant to show of the top part of the thong?

Any word on that hmm?

As for the Iranian situation, my question is Why is there all this propoganda surround this country at this time? Saudi Arabia is much worse in many respects, yet it's considered to be an "Ally" of sorts.

Your strings are being pulled... sad to see really...

[edit on 22-5-2006 by sardion2000]