Yes it does, doesn't it? Because you don't like to talk about race. And sadly, it ruffles your feathers that other people take offense at things
taken for granted in your world. Isn't that the case? Yes, my patience wears thin as well. So don't think it's one-sided.
But I already know the odds because I'm pretty much out-numbered here. I'm still looking for what is being defined as "real racism" here. No one
can give me a good definition and probably can't because they can't even describe it in their own words. Can you?
This subject goes beyond it just being a word. It goes into the parameters of what words are acceptable and which are not. It most certainly is an
issue if we have talked about it this long.
What Tony Snow said obviously offended a portion of his audience. And they said so. But that's not the "right" kind of audience, I mean, the type
of audience what is deemed "acceptable" for the more conservative folk here. On the liberal boards, they have had this conversation. And that goes
ditto on African-American boards. They've discussed it big time and didn't feel that "talking about race" was a problem. And I have read some of
the most interesting takes on why Mr. Snow said those words.
So why are we acting defensive and repressed on this board?
So, it's not as worthless as you think. But because Mr. Snow's use of "tar baby" doesn't mean anything to you, that is why it is a non-issue.
I believe the contrary for valid reasons. And I think it should be discussed what would be tolerated as an acceptable word. Because when Escromutus
said that he would sleep at night using tar baby, I shot back and told him whether he would like it if I used a racially sensitive term for White
people. He immediately said that he would equate both of those words to the "N" word.
So, I say again, everyone has their limits. But if it you say so that you feel that the use of "tar baby" is all right with you, then I guess you
won't wince if I used a term that is sensitive to your ears. And if I did, don't be a hypocrite. Take it. Don't argue about it.
I tend to think after reading more about Mr. Snow's past is that he is quite capable of being racist in his views--especially in his defense of Rush
Limbaugh. And Mr. Limbaugh has let all sorts of things fly out of his mouth. And I'm sure, he is not blind. Mr. Snow knows the other connotation of
"tar baby". His mother worked in the inner city as a nurse in Ohio. That means, she worked among poor people, if not people of color. So, he
He could have chosen, if he had a conscience, another word. But he didn't. Had he truly had an answer, he just wouldn't have said, "American
Lore". "American Lore" means a lot of things to a lot of people. "American Lore" could possibly be literature. But "American Lore" could
also mean the legacy of the word and how it is used as a racial epipthet in the South.
But, I suppose discussing that side is potentially hurtful to acknowledge, isn't it? Yes, jsobecky, you have problems too. The articles I posted
are sort of an intervention. They discuss various reasons how racism is viewed in the white community. You have not either agreed or refuted these
claims. You refuse to read them. Instead, you would much rather use condescension.
All I have to say is read Leonard Pitts, Jr.'s exerpt. He talks about how sometimes people who are "racially blind" like to dispense advice to the
Black Community. It is not true in all cases, but of course, you--as well as Escromutus--in this thread have dispensed a lot of advice. Yet refuse
to deal with your own insersion into race. And that's the bitter irony.
That is what I wonder the most. What is it about talking about race that bothers you? Because you know you have benefitted from the system? Or is
the fact that you have a pre-conceived set of ideas that you hold on to with all your might despite different information coming out? Does it trouble
you that you might harbor these feelings?
The only time you even talk about race is when it deals with Black groups or leaders who run afoul of your ideals. I'm surprised in this thread that
you did not even mention the NAACP or Jesse Jackson. For that is a feat for you to last this long without saying one word about them.
But no matter.
In the end, it is better to think that Tony Snow said it because it was a benign expression of speech. If he did, he is not as educated as I thought.
Because he could have mentioned that he had gotten the words from a Joel Chandler Harris Book, most namely the "Uncle Remus" tales. Then, I would
truly think he meant exactly what he said. But "American Lore" does not cut it.
But, yes, even here one has to give the benefit of the doubt...even when it tastes bad in your mouth.
And if he didn't know before, Mr. Snow certainly knows now, doesn't he?
P.S. Benevolent Heretic, I will answer your thoughts later. I would like to think about what you said and answer you thoughtfully, like I always do.
Thank you for your input because I like you too. And we can agree to disagree on this one. But, I would like to specifically address some points you
made. I am glad you are the voice of reason.
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