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Many masons don't know about 4-33 degrees?

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 12:27 AM
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That statement I read off a couple places before, and thought I would use it copy and paste style, but it sure adhears to what I have been told. Mostly all info on this subject I have aquired this last year or so just reading articles websites forums new groups etc. also I have someone I know close to me that is a Mason.
But what had really got me started on the subject of freemasonry is that someone mysteriously had left 2 encyclopedia's of freemasonry in the back seat of my vehicle while I was inside at a Flea market the books are dated 1925 volume 1 & 2 I skimmed through them here and there looking for information to pertain to what I was reading about and at the around the same timespan I started reading post and articles on usenet about new world order then stumbled apon Alec Jones video's ( Bohemien Grove- ancient order of death etc. I did some reading on that did some reading on the OtO the skull & bones Ancient Order of Death etc.
which lead me to people taking over christianity and such doing so with help by the free masons and other org's then I stumbled across this article here and it made me very curious and here I am...




posted on May, 20 2006 @ 12:32 AM
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here is the article I cant remember where i found it sorry.

As the World Goes to Hell: Freemasonry is the Common Denominator

By Henry Makow, Ph.D



In the past, I ascribed humanity's woes to a conspiracy of inbred British aristocrats, their American toadies, Zionists and central bankers. So far I have overlooked the most important ingredient, the "Freemasons" the world's largest secret society with five million members (including three million Americans.) Only their inner circles are aware that the "Craft" is in fact devoted to satanism.
The conspirators all belong to it. George W. Bush is a member. As a student at Yale Bush joined its "Skull and Bones" chapter and referred to it in August 2000 in these terms: "My heritage is part of who I am."
Dick Cheney and Colin Powell are also high level Freemasons. So is Al Gore and Ariel Sharon. Past Presidents FDR, Harry Truman, Ronald Reagan and Lyndon Johnson were also members. So are Henry Kissinger, Allen Greenspan and World Bank President James Wolfensohn. In fact devil worship seems to be a prerequisite for power and success today.
Freemasonry has been blamed for many cases of child sexual abuse and ritual murder. (Search "ritual and sexual abuse + freemasonry" in Google.) There are at least three books out about people who claim to have been brainwashed and sexually exploited as children by certain members of our power elite. "The Franklin Cover-Up" (get the 2nd. Edition, 1996) by John W. DeCamp describes a homosexual and satanic child sex ring based in Omaha, which serviced members of the Reagan administration. In "Trans-formation of America," (1995) Cathy O'Brien describes her experiences as a mind-controlled sex slave with members of the current and past administrations.
It gets more bizarre. In addition to oil, the war against Iraq is part of a long-term plan to establish the rule of satan on earth. The New World Order is Masonic in character. Sadaam Hussein (and Islam in general) represent an obstacle to the Masonic plan to rebuild Solomon's Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. This will be the seat of a new world religion subtly devoted to Lucifer.

The war is the latest in a step-by-step plan to enslave humanity. For example, the United Nations' true character is revealed by the fact that the only religious chapel at its headquarters is run by a satanic cult, the "Lucis Trust." The name was changed from Lucifer Trust to make the nature of the organization less conspicuous. For more background, see an online article by Lyndon LaRouche entitled "The Real History of Satanism." www.econcrisis.homestead.com...
The Satanists disguise their agenda in warm and fuzzy buzzwords like "economic justice" and "international peace." They are drafting a new world constitution called the "Earth Charter" which will have the authority of holy writ. Later this year, the Earth Charter will be presented to the United Nations in a pantheistic 21st Century replica of the Ark of the Covenant. Stephen Rockefeller and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund is behind this initiative.
According to Joseph Farah, "these are dangerous and diabolical folks making long-term plans to seize even more power and destroy any vestige of freedom left in the world." (Rockefeller-sponsored Socialism, World Net Daily, Sept. 24)
I don't have the heart (or stomach) to explore the philosophy of Freemasonry in detail. I refer you to an excellent web site that contains articles and a list of over 50 books. It is called "Freemason Watch" www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com...
I only want to point out the essential difference between a true religion like Islam or *Christianity and a naturalistic cult like Freemasonry.


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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 12:36 AM
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part 2
As the World Goes to Hell: Freemasonry is the Common Denominator
By Henry Makow, Ph.D



A true religion believes that God is the ultimate Reality (Truth, Love) and that man has the Spirit of God within. "God is a spirit and we worship him in spirit and truth." (John 4:24) Liberation is defined as overcoming the limitations of ego. This is what it means to be "born again." Jesus said, "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32).
Collectively mankind is in a process of transformation, of becoming more God-like or "Real." By loving God and obeying our "higher" self, we outgrow our baser instincts. "Be ye therefore perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect," Jesus said. (Mathew 5:48)
Civilized life and culture involve a respectful debate about how to find happiness. I believe everyone must approach God individually, and therefore must be free to choose his own path.
In contrast, Freemasonry is a pagan cult that pretends to embrace all religions in order to negate them all. It says there is no God but man. Man not God is the measure of all things. Our lust for more power, money, and sex is unleashed. The lower instincts become the higher.
For the last century or more, the world has been subject to a subtle process of Masonic indoctrination. Religion is portrayed as irrelevant and "liberation" is defined as being able to have sex with anyone and to talk about bodily functions in public. Have you noticed how much toilet humor and stupid sexual jokes permeate prime time? This is the slippery slope of consciousness.
Recently a reader emailed to object to my "religious fundamentalism" saying that God could not exist or else He would not permit so much suffering.
We are God's agents. We embody His spirit to create heaven on earth. God can't do it without us, and He certainly can't do it if we succumb to satan.
Modern history is understandable only in terms of the ongoing campaign by the Illuminati (which infiltrated Freemasonry in 1781) to destroy Western Civilization and enslave mankind. Nesta Webster's book "World Revolution" (1921) and John Daniel's "Scarlet and the Beast" (Vol. 1, 1994) both describe this process.
Communism has been the main instrument of the Illuminati. (The Communist anniversary May 1st refers to the date the Illuminati was founded in 1776.) The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was probably an Illuminati document disguised as a Jewish one. Certainly, Jews like Karl Marx and Leon Trotsky dominated Communism but they were Freemasons first. They did not represent the Jewish people.
John Daniel believes that Bolshevik Russia was a French Orient Masonic state. He says the slaughter of millions of Russians by the CHEKA was Masonic ritual murder. He points to "the numerous Masonic symbols carved into the flesh of victims' heads, faces, necks and torsos." (495) The assassination of Czar Nicholas II and his family was also a Masonic ritual murder (512).
We don't hear much about the "holocaust" of educated Russians between 1918 and 1922. The Bolshevik Freemasons slaughtered 3,200,000 people. Husbands, fathers and brothers were compelled to watch as their wives, daughters and sisters were brutally raped. (497)
Published in "The Scotsman" on November 7, 1923 are the following counts of the slaughtered to bring about the Craft's "dictatorship of the proletariat":
"28 bishops, 1219 priests, 6000 professors and teachers, 9000 doctors, 54,000 officers, 260,000 soldiers, 70,000 policemen, 12,950 property owners, 535,250 members of the intellectual and liberal professions, 193,290 workmen, 618,000 peasants." (495)
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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 12:42 AM
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part 3

As the World Goes to Hell: Freemasonry is the Common Denominator

By Henry Makow, Ph.D



John Daniel believes that the Second World War was essentially a civil war between two branches of Freemasonry. The English Grand Lodge built up Adolph Hitler in order to destroy Communist Russia, French Grand Orient Freemasonry's creation. After Hitler double-crossed his sponsors and made a pact with Stalin (threatening England), power swung from (English Grand Lodge Mason) Neville Chamberlain to (French Orient Mason) Winston Churchill. Nevertheless the English branch and its Wall Street satrap continued to back Hitler and later helped Nazis war criminals escape.
G.K. Chesterton said the study of history should be a study of power elites. Instead historians obscure and deny the truth. The more I read, the more I am convinced that the function of the news media, the arts, education and entertainment is to deceive and make us stupid. While we are numbed and distracted, our leaders carry out their orders under occult discipline (or blackmail.) As human life becomes degraded, it seems less worth saving. The devil is afoot and all-powerful. As long as he uses deceit, good people seem helpless to resist.
Three things give me hope. 1) The Constitution gives us the right to own guns. 2) The Internet. (Tyranny has never had to face instant communication.) 3) Our ingrained habit of freedom.
We must expose the satanists to the light of day.

Henry Makow, Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the author of "A Long Way to Go for a Date." His articles on Feminism ad the New World Order can be found at www.savethemales.ca He welcomes your comments at Henry@savethemales.ca



I have also read up on the bilderbergers / rockafellas / trilateral commision / Committee of 300 as well as the ancient Sumarians / the so called annunki /babylonians and many other subjects that most people dont know about.

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 12:52 AM
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And what is with all the masonic Symbols?

on buildings - hidden in money - the all seeing eye -

and why did
Manly Palmer Hall, member of the Illuminati and 33rd Degree Freemason, called "the 20th century's greatest Masonic scholar and philosopher" by the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree of Freemasonry's official monthly publication, the Scottish Rite Journal in the obituary section of August 1990.
state this



Manly states:
"European mysticism was not dead at the time the United States of America was founded. The hand of the mysteries controlled in the establishment of the new government for the signature of the mysteries may still be seen on the Great Seal of the United states of America. Careful analysis of the seal discloses a mass of occult and Masonic symbols chief among them, the so-called American Eagle. ... the American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalized phoenix..."


this statment here was gathered by info from this site

I will not go any further unless you know what I am meaning by symbols?

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 01:01 AM
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From what I have been told, the Scottish and York rites can be viewed as ladders.
Both going to the same height so the say, exept in the Scottish there are more rungs to climb than in the York.

Also, European Masons and American ones are slightly different. Being that European traditions are more strict or exacting, for the most part. I imagine such variations exist no matter where one is, be it an Islamic Mason or Eskimo.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 01:04 AM
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If you had bothered to read what they were saying, the Scottish Rite has 33 degrees. If you simply LOOK at the picture you posted, it quite clearly says Scottish Rite next to the list of 33 degrees.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
If you had bothered to read what they were saying, the Scottish Rite has 33 degrees. If you simply LOOK at the picture you posted, it quite clearly says Scottish Rite next to the list of 33 degrees.


exactly and the scottish rite is part of freemasonry and also part of being a mason, So therfore there are 33 degrees.

the picture is also a Structure of Freemasonry.

what is not clear about this to you guys ?
is it because you were told there are only 3 degrees as a mason ?
isnt freemasonry and mason the same thing?

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 02:23 AM
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That's like saying that all religions are the same becuase they have the same basic tenents. Since they all believe that there's a Supreme Being, and have very similar beliefs, then they must be the same, no matter what you call them.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 11:06 AM
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The vast majority of Freemasons worldwide never procede past the 3rd degree,
or Blue Degrees (1st, 2nd or 3rd). The first three degrees are referred to
as Symbolic Masonry.

Therefore the majority of Freemasons never know what kind of organization
they are really apart of.




From the 'Bible' handbook of Freemasonry, 'Morals and Dogma', written by
33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike, we read:

"The Blue degrees are but the outer court or protico of the Temple. Part of
the symbols are displayed to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by
false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them,
but it is intended that he shall *imagine* he understands them".

Morals and Dogma was traditionally given to the candidate upon his receipt
of the 14th degree of the Scottish Rite or Freemasonry. This practice was
stopped in 1974. Morals and Dogma has not been given to candidates since
1974.

Re: freemasonry...Why the need for a deception at all? Like all cults,
masonry has to make itself attractive to new members so they don't want to
scare people away at the outset.

Freemasonry does not reveal its true self until it feels you are right ro
receive the information. Most masons see freemasonry as a social club &
networking atmosphere and that is why they join.



Freemasonry requires lots of well-meaning, well-feeling footsoldiers to
advance freemasonry. This is what the 3rd degree masons are, merely window
dressing to put a good face on the cult.

Mason initiates must swear an oath under penalty of death that they never
reveal what they have learned within the lodge. Right off the bat, we can
see clearly this is not a friendly & wholesome organization.
When you join a pool or softball league, do you take a penalty of death
oath?

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 11:32 AM
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This is starting to get embarassing. Please do your research before posting such foolishness.


Originally posted by seridium
The vast majority of Freemasons worldwide never procede past the 3rd degree,
or Blue Degrees (1st, 2nd or 3rd).

Masonic Light will have the actual figures, but I believe a very large number of American freemasons join the Scottish Rite and eventually (or quite quickly) reach the 32nd degree


Mason initiates must swear an oath under penalty of death that they never
reveal what they have learned within the lodge.

This is entirely untrue. I've been posting snippets of the ritual on ATS for over a year now and I'm still alive. Freemasons are constantly telling people what they learn within the lodge, the problem is that some people choose not to believe it.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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Mason initiates must swear an oath under penalty of death that they never
reveal what they have learned within the lodge.

This is entirely untrue. I've been posting snippets of the ritual on ATS for over a year now and I'm still alive. Freemasons are constantly telling people what they learn within the lodge, the problem is that some people choose not to believe it.
if it is not true why do all these people claim in the first initiation they must swear under oath?

I will post what I read

how was I admitted taken from


How Was I Admitted?

For my initiation into the Masonic Temple, I had to dress in funny clothes. I had only one shoe on, and a rope called a cable tow, which looked like a hangman's noose, around my neck. I was blindfolded, then lead by the rope around the inner lodge room to different ìstations.î I finally ended up kneeling at the alter in the center of the room. When my blindfold was removed, I was asked to repeat an oath which all Masons are required to take. I politely started following instructions and began repeating the oath of an Entered Apprentice Mason. Although it started out fairly innocently: "I, Marshall Almarode, of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God and this worshipful lodge...do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will always...conceal and never reveal any of the secrets, arts, parts, or points of the hidden mysteries of Freemasonry...to any person or persons whomsoever ...except it be to a...brother Mason or in a lodge of Masons..." it ended "...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut from ear to ear, my tongue torn out by its roots, my body buried in the sands of the sea at low water mark where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever willingly or knowingly violate this my solemn oath of an Entered Apprentice Mason, so help me God and keep me steadfast."


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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 12:35 PM
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you are aware are you not that that ritual is available to any one with a computer
or the more archaic library card? I myself who am not and never have been
a Mason have copies of the first 3 degrees from several sources. Also as I
recall many if not most Grand Lodges have dropped the penalty phase as it were,
or recite them as a rememberence of another time. ( ML , Trinity , please feel free to correct me if I am wrong and I could be. not the first time).

Remember Masonry and its rituals date from a time when ANYdeviation
from the revealed truths of the church could and usually did result in torture,death
of not only yourself but your family as well, loss of property etc. etc. etc.. So one
who would betray to to that fate was more loathsome than Satan himself.



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 02:30 PM
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Im not talking about wikipedia definitions of the degrees
im talking of the real thing from conversation's I have had with masons and with the stories I have read of people that left the society.
I am fully aware of the masonic lodges changing their rituals over the years but its still part of the ceremony. From what I have been told and read.

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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never had to resort to wiki myself. I always had enough sources from Masons
and Credible Authors.

Given your sources so far I can almost compile your list of Authors. Im betting
it starts out like this
Jack Chick
Texe Marr
Fred Phelps
Doc Marguilles
Bill Schoenelbolen

etc.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 01:13 AM
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I wish there was something useful I could add to help this individual along with his search. My hat is off to the Brethren trying to inform this person. You have more kindness and patience than I have.

Trinity Man and ML and Mirthful are much more understanding and flexible than I am. I hope this individual finds out the truth about the disinformation and misinformation he or she has been reading. Sounds like you have already made up your mind.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by seridium
The vast majority of Freemasons worldwide never procede past the 3rd degree,
or Blue Degrees (1st, 2nd or 3rd). The first three degrees are referred to
as Symbolic Masonry.


Originally, there were only Three Degrees in existence. Eventually, some masons wrote and added other degrees and rites.

When we say there are three degrees, we mean that there are three degrees of initiation that make a man a Mason. Once he's a Mason, he can apply for the other degrees if he wants.

Freemasonry does NOT have 33 degrees. The Scottish Rite of Masonry has 33 degrees. The York Rite of Masonry has 12 degrees. The Swedish Rite has 10 degrees. And so on.


Therefore the majority of Freemasons never know what kind of organization
they are really apart of.


Every Mason knows what sort of organization he is a part of. The Lodge, which contains the three degrees, is the whole of Ancient Craft Masonry. A Master Mason means exactly that: a Master Mason. I recommend both the Scottish and York Rites to new Master Masons all the time, but I don't pretend that they will make more of a Mason than he already is. I just note that these Rites can make one a better Mason.




From the 'Bible' handbook of Freemasonry, 'Morals and Dogma', written by
33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike, we read:


Since when did "Morals and Dogma" become a Bible handbook?



posted on May, 26 2006 @ 06:53 AM
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Just what exactly is so difficult to grasp here?

To be considereed a Mason, you must have been raised to the Sublime degree of a Master Mason. Which, for those of you hung up on numeric assignments, is the 3rd degree.

The first three degrees of Masonry or Freemasonry (yes they are the same) are popularly called the Blue Lodge Degrees.

Now let's equate this to something most people here may understand, say -- American Football.

Let's say becoming a Mason is the equivalent of joining a football team. You go through tryouts and practices (degrees 1-2) and eventually prove yourself worthy and are accepted as a full-fledged member of the team (3rd degree).

Now -- if you're interested, you can play on Special Teams for punt returns, kickoff returns, be on the "Hands Unit" for onside kicks, etc... You're still on the same team, you just volunteered for additional duties or additional education.

This holds true for the Scottish Rite, the York Rite and the Shrine. You have to be a Master Mason (3rd degree) to join, but it doesn't make you any more significant or "powerful" in comparison to any other Mason. It merely signifies an individual's desire to branch out and/or expand their horizons.

I think where some of the belief that the Rites show a hierarchical progression is in the old practice that a man had to be a Master Mason to become a member of a Rite, then in turn to become a member of the Shrine. These requirements no longer exist, and when practiced still provided no hierarchy or higher progression.

Hope this helps.



posted on May, 26 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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theyve found us out guys, theres no use defending ourselves anymore..theyve found the truth...

you got us! all we want to do is run the world, control politicians, kill and torment people who dont like us, or dont want to join. while were at it ill just list it all:

1. we started every war in history, just for kicks, humanity is our science project.
2. we control the entire money flow of the world...bad paying jobs, and struggling w/ bills just like everybody else, are just our front
3. we molest children, because it keeps us forever young
4.we chip your kids to keep track of them for future molestations
5. we eat babies
6. we worship satan and sacrifice virgins to him.
7. we wear aprons to protect our pants from blood splatters
8. we train in killing w/ edged squares and compasses.
9. we all meet inside antlantis' underwater temple for our monthly grand meetings
10. Morals? aww thats just our front too.
11. we recruit murderers, rapists, and crooked cops to be our foot soldiers.
12. degrees actually go up to 2,500,000...which takes 2,500,000 years, but due to our ability to stay young from molesting children, thats not a problem.
13. steak nite at the lodge is really just a way to eat people w/out anyone suspecting.
14. we are devoted to tearing down the catholic church...90% of our members arent actually catholic, they are covert operatives.
15. nibiru is where all our summer property is located.
16. screw burned kids, they are our front as well..plus nothings easier than molesting a child burn victim.

we are horrible horrible people..can u please forgive us? no harm no foul?



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 08:26 PM
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17. We will blow up your toilet and drug your dog if you mess with us.
18. We are shapeshifting repitiloids.



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