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reply posted on 18-5-2006 @ 10:37 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by truthseeka
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Ceci (I had a feeling you were black ), you made a great point in an earlier post on this page. I can definitely see how black people would be wary of the direction the country is going in. I think the problem some here have is that they haven't had their rights taken in the supposedly free US after all the drama.


That's one of the weakest arguments i have heard about... Being black doesn't give anyone more insight, or make them any more intelligent... Just like being white doesn't make anyone any more or less intelligent...or being Asian doesn't make anyone any more or less intelligent... You can find intelligent and not so smart people in all races...

BTW, perhaps you have missed the following...
Jason Haap, aka "the Dean of Cincinnati", serves as a great example of white liberals who can't stand free-thinking African Americans. White liberals are quick to attack African Americans who refuse to follow their lead like slaves.

blackcincinnati.blogspot.com...

So much for you trying to make people believe that black people must all be liberals....or they all agree with you...


Originally posted by truthseeka
Muaddib, I have a question for you and the others who share your position. What the hell is a free speech zone in America?


If I remember correctly that was a term given by the liberal media to the places where protesters could be... and we all saw in the same liberal media how well behaved those protesters were... We all saw how groups of them continued to throw items including bottles and proceeded to try to bring down the fences that were put in place to stop people like them from becoming violent and trying to reach the presidential motorade...

Originally posted by truthseeka
Then again...I think you actually know what's going on and support it. I'm basing this on your America vs. US comment. Your description of America smacks strongly of the planned American Union. Too much for this to be coincidence...


What in the world are you talking about?....

America vs U.S. comment.... There is a difference between America and the United States...in case you didn't know.... There is North America, Central America and South America and it has been like this for a long time.... The United States is North America, but there is also South America and Central America... and just for your information, the first place where Colombus landed was right in the caribean island San Salvador, what is now known as the Bahamas, and those islands were part of the new world...

I am amazed that anyone would try to dismiss facts and then claim that since i am stating facts I must be some sort of government spook.... Like that was something new...

People like yourself always try to dismiss the facts by claiming such things...

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reply posted on 19-5-2006 @ 12:02 AM by ceci2006
Originally quoted by Muaddib

That's one of the weakest arguments i have heard about... Being black doesn't give anyone more insight, or make them any more intelligent... Just like being white doesn't make anyone any more or less intelligent...or being Asian doesn't make anyone any more or less intelligent... You can find intelligent and not so smart people in all races...


You missed the entire point Muaddib. What truthseeka was referring to was the long struggle for African-Americans to be counted as "people" and as "Americans". I'm sure you can understand the American part because you are very patriotic. However, Black people do have insight into what it means to have "civil liberties" and "privacy". As slaves, our "civil liberties" and "privacy" was taken away from us. Our culture was stripped away from us when we were brought here. And after the passage of the Emancipation Proclamation we have had to fight one hundred years in order for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to be passed. And then, we still were harassed when we tried to express our freedoms.

I think, besides Native Americans, Black people are probably more sensitive to the issue of civil liberties and privacy because our freedoms have actually been toyed with by the powers that be. And continue to do so by the very virtue of states' rights.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 allowed Blacks and other people of color in America to be protected as we voted for politicians.

However, judging from Florida and Ohio, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was violated. And Ashcroft, then Atty. Gen., didn't care to enforce it.






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reply posted on 19-5-2006 @ 02:08 AM by Jamuhn
Originally posted by Muaddib
Well, i don't know if you have noticed but there are two people who have two of the highest positions in the United States government, and both of them are black.


What's your point?

Currently there are a record number of 43 black or "African-American" congress members that serve in the 109th Congress with 42 in the House of Representatives and one in the Senate. Freshman Senator Barack Obama of Illinois is the first black, male, Democrat to serve in the Senate. While fourteen black women serve in the 109th Congress, all in the House.

kokonutpundits.blogspot.com...

For the House that would mean 9.6% of members are black. In the Senate, 1% is Black. For reference, the percentage of black in the US is around 12.5%.

The disparaties for Hispanics is even larger obviously and non-Hispanic white people end up being overrepresented.

For women, the statistics are even more disparate...
As of 2004, there are 70 women serving the U.S. House and 14 in the U.S. Senate. This is the highest number of women to hold Congressional office at one time.

en.wikipedia.org...
That would 16.1% women in the House and 14% in the Senate. The percentage of women in America is 50.7%.

Population statistics from www.census.gov... .

I guess freedom of choice for a black female will generally mean they get to choose between two white guys.

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reply posted on 19-5-2006 @ 08:39 AM by Muaddib
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I think you misunderstood... our votes don't count, at least in presidential elections.


How did you reach that conclusion SO? Because the presidential elections did not go as you planned?

I have heard all about the Diebold machines, but what i have found extremely interesting is that the same people who keep claiming elections were rigged in the United States, claim that elections were not rigged at all in Venezuela.

I'll tell you right now what Venezuela has to do with the elections in the U.S.

I also found extremely interesting that none of these same people who have made these claims has said anything about Smartmatic, who has Venezuelan owners who have ties with the anti-American regime of Chavez, has acquired California-based Sequoia Voting Systems.

www.miami.com...

Chavez supporters now control one of the major U.S. e-voting firms, yet none of those people who kept claiming there was massive corruption in the elections in 2004 in the U.S. are even mentioning this.


Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
That's the essence of the system that we're supposed to have. Agreed.


That is the system that we have. If the elections did not go as you planned and because of this you want to keep claiming that we have no voice, that is your problem.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Polls are worthless. I could design two 5-question polls that give conflicting results from the same sample of people.


Well, quite a few people around here keep showing polls made to 1,000-3,000 people and claim this is what the entire population of the U.S. thinks...


Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
How'd that get in here? (confused) Can you help me understand where that was supposed to go? (I couldn't follow the logic.)


You can't understand the logic that 10 million illegal immigrants have been able to gather more people, who should be more scared than any American citizens becasue they are illegals than the anti-war protestors and those who keep protesting against president Bush?



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