Originally posted by ceci2006
Well, do you think as a nation we should just let the government tamper with our Constitutional rights and not do anything about it?
What Constitutional right has been tampered? The Constitution does not say "let's allow terrorists use our Constitution to destroy the United
States, which is what Islamic extremists and other groups are trying to do.
Originally posted by ceci2006
Should citizens be allowed a "redress of grievances" and the pursuit of "life, liberty and property"?
First, the Declaration of independence states
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", which is based on the writing of John Locke who
said
"no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions". The phrase "life, liberty, and the pursuit of property"
was actually a variation of John Locke's concept, which Adam Smith stated. Anyways, Thomas Jefferson wrote
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness". BTW, did you know that Jefferson viewed the "right to property" tied to feudalism?
Anyways, back to the topic.
The definition on the pursuit of "life, liberty and property" means different things for different people. For some people, criminals/murderers,
the pursuit of happines is in stalking their victims and making them suffer before their death.... So you see, it is more complicated than trying to
proclaim, "everyone is looking for the same thing when people want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
Originally posted by ceci2006
And who as citizens should we respect more: a politician that has trampled on those rights and yet proclaims he's a patriot in the eyes of the public
or a politicians who hasn't trampled on those rights but doesn't claim he's a patriot at all?
First of all, your are twisting the question so it fits with your opinion. Just like there are people who keep saying the war in Iraq is illegal,
when it is not.
Anyways, tell me, what do you do when you know that it is true there are people, such as Islamic extremists, who want to destroy the U.S., and these
people have no morals in using our freedoms against us?
What do you do when you know there are groups of those people in the United States and you don't know exactly who they are?
I am pretty sure the government, and all intelligence agencies in the U.S. are not interested in the gossip you talk to with your best friend. They
have been looking for those people who want to use our very freedoms against us, to destroy the U.S.
Originally posted by ceci2006
And explain what you mean between America and the United States? I'm sure I get what you are saying, but then again, you might have a different
interpretation.
America nowadays is composed of many nations, North, South and Central America. The Caribean Islands such as Cuba and Santo Domingo were also part of
America, and in fact, Santo Domingo is the oldest European city in the world. Nowadays the islands which were part of America are now called
"caribean islands", but in reality they all are part of the new world called America.
[edit on 16-5-2006 by Muaddib]